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The posters on this thread that have questioned the OPs road positioning are as moronic as the dangerous idiot driving.0
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What's quite funny is that where he stands and gestures that you should be riding, you were riding.My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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Can't be bothered reading the nonsense from the devil's advocates (bound to be a few) but that's spot on cycling and dangerous driving. The threats to kill make it worse and needs to be reported to the police. When he eventually ends up hurting or killing a cyclist it might be admissible in evidence.
"The threats to kill?"... you're hearing something that wasn't there, cyclist said he had every right to be riding there and the bloke said "then expect to be killed". That's not a threat, that's the driver telling him that that in his opinion he's putting himself at risk.
The driver shouldn't have pulled in on the bloke, that's in fact the only bad thing here. Plus, it looks like he did this only because the rider was gobbing off and he heard it. After the point the driver stopped both of them were completely civil.0 -
What's quite funny is that where he stands and gestures that you should be riding, you were riding.
No he doesn't, watch.0 -
What's quite funny is that where he stands and gestures that you should be riding, you were riding.
No he doesn't, watch.
Well, he does. He stands in the middle (at least) of his number plate and angles his arms slightly. It's arguably the same as the OP's position or, at worst, a few inches left
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There is nothing 'wrong' with the OP's positioning - that ought to be obvious; it's disingenuous to suggest anyone has said he ought to be riding in the gutter. What he did wrong was get into a pointless confrontation. If he had just tucked in a bit when he became aware of the vehicle behind him then there would be no issue here. End result of this is the OP is pissed off and the driver thinks cyclists are a nuisance. No one gains.
I don't care about my 'right' to do something. I'd move out the way for a car in the same way I'd slow down to go carefully round someone on a horse. Life's too short to get into arguments with everyone whose driving you've deemed less than ideal. Accept they're bigger, let them get past and get where you're going safely and with minimal stress.0 -
So, it is disingeneous to suggest that anyone has said he should ride I the gutter but at the same time he should have tucked in?
Glad that has been cleared up then.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
These threads can become a bun fight between two groups, neither of which is aware of anything not included in the footage offered. Undaunted by my own dismissive view of anyone who feels the need to add their two penn'orth, I shall now do just that.
Certainly a motorist needs to be aware that he or she is driving something whose mass alone makes it a dangerous or deadly object. Add that mass to velocity, and physics can get even bloodier and more painful. This driver appears blithely unfussed by the threat his vehicle offers. Adding a trailer to the mix just makes it scarier - although thankfully this one is almost the same width as the towing car.
What we do not see.... and this may or may not be of interest.... is anything leading up to the confrontation. It is unusual for a helmetcam warrior to show only 40 or so seconds, of which little shows any lead-up to the event. This suggests (but does not prove) that there may already have been some provocation or ill-mannered behaviour by one or other of the protagonists.
And the cyclisyt did not hear the 4x4 approaching? The 4x4 pulling a galvanised trailer? These things are audible from the next county. All cyclists (ALL) know without turning their head when a vehicle approaching from the rear is tugging a galvanised trailer. They are noisy noisy noisy....
I think both parties here are spoiling for a falling-out and both leave the scene satisfied. The way the motorist stops so soon after passing is (to my mind) tantamount to threatening behaviour.
The driver comes out of it poorly and (on the basis of the limited footage and the odd wording of his posts) the cyclist is not covered in glory.
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Hi all,
Just an update, i have had several calls from the police this morning and they are taking action!
I have to go down to the station later but basically they said they have enough from the video (they have the full video, not just the youtube clip) to pursue charges for careless driving.
I must admit they were extremely supportive and helpful, and seemed genuinely concerned by the incident. I did actually say that i had considered not reporting it but the officer stressed that any such incidents must be reported.
The officer assured my that my riding was fine although interestingly he did comment that i might want to ride more primary position when on roads like that in the future.
Thanks for all the supportive comments on here. To be honest i would not have reported the incident had i not had the support, so really appreciate it.0 -
So you start off by criticising everyone else for not taking into account things which don't appear in the video, then proceed to the other extreme by inventing things that might have happened before the video started, in the process calling the OP a "helmetcam warrior"? Nicely done.These threads can become a bun fight between two groups, neither of which is aware of anything not included in the footage offered. Undaunted by my own dismissive view of anyone who feels the need to add their two penn'orth, I shall now do just that.
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What we do not see.... and this may or may not be of interest.... is anything leading up to the confrontation. It is unusual for a helmetcam warrior to show only 40 or so seconds, of which little shows any lead-up to the event. This suggests (but does not prove) that there may already have been some provocation or ill-mannered behaviour by one or other of the protagonists.
There's nothing in the video (actions or words) that suggest to me there was any previous confrontation between these two people. It can actually be quite hard to hear vehicles approaching from behind when you're moving at ~20mph and have a bit of wind in your face. I shoulder check a lot on roads like this but that doesn't guarantee a car isn't going to come speeding up behind you in the 10 or 20 seconds since you last checked. The only problem in the video is clearly the lack of patience and caution on the part of the driver. It's easy to sit back and say someone overreacted when you're watching a video of an incident like this, but you might find yourself reacting rather differently in the heat of the moment when it happens to you.0 -
Glad to hear that. You may not hear of any outcome, but let us know if you do.0
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Glad to hear it's being taken seriously.
Moronic car drivers seem to have no idea how much damage their 2 tonne vehicles can cause to a soft cyclist.
The duty of care is on them to be careful.
Roads were not built exclusively for the use of cars......0 -
The driver just did one single short beep. So what? Happens all the time. Best just ignore it or wave politely. In Italy they beep to warn you they are there.Pegoretti
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Did you miss the fact he beeped while in the middle of overtaking? The time between the beep and the front end of the car appearing in the video is about half a bloody second! It was more of a "get off my roads" beep than a "letting you know I'm here" beep. The time to let someone know you're there is when you're approaching from behind, not when you're right beside them. The problem wasn't the beeping itself anyway, it was the sh*tty overtaking.The driver just did one single short beep. So what? Happens all the time. Best just ignore it or wave politely. In Italy they beep to warn you they are there.0 -
The driver just did one single short beep. So what? Happens all the time. Best just ignore it or wave politely. In Italy they beep to warn you they are there.
yeah, just wave and let the dangerous, aggressive driver go on his merry way. Hopefully it'll be the cyclist up the road that gets killed and not you......0 -
So, it is disingeneous to suggest that anyone has said he should ride I the gutter but at the same time he should have tucked in?
Glad that has been cleared up then.
Basic rule of these threads. The cyclist position is always wrong, no matter what it is.0 -
I sometimes wonder if drivers' insurance companies would regard people who drive like the bloke in the video as an undesirable risk. Insurance details were recently made available by the government on the askMID.com website for road users, including pedestrians and cyclists, who had suffered a loss or sustained an injury. (I appreciate that this isn't the case in this video). I would imagine that if a given company received more than one video of bad driving they may not be keen to reinsure.0
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Know it alls everywhere.0
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So you start off by criticising everyone else for not taking into account things which don't appear in the video, then proceed to the other extreme by inventing things that might have happened before the video started, in the process calling the OP a "helmetcam warrior"? Nicely done.These threads can become a bun fight between two groups, neither of which is aware of anything not included in the footage offered. Undaunted by my own dismissive view of anyone who feels the need to add their two penn'orth, I shall now do just that.
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What we do not see.... and this may or may not be of interest.... is anything leading up to the confrontation. It is unusual for a helmetcam warrior to show only 40 or so seconds, of which little shows any lead-up to the event. This suggests (but does not prove) that there may already have been some provocation or ill-mannered behaviour by one or other of the protagonists.
There's nothing in the video (actions or words) that suggest to me there was any previous confrontation between these two people. It can actually be quite hard to hear vehicles approaching from behind when you're moving at ~20mph and have a bit of wind in your face. I shoulder check a lot on roads like this but that doesn't guarantee a car isn't going to come speeding up behind you in the 10 or 20 seconds since you last checked. The only problem in the video is clearly the lack of patience and caution on the part of the driver. It's easy to sit back and say someone overreacted when you're watching a video of an incident like this, but you might find yourself reacting rather differently in the heat of the moment when it happens to you.
I remember once almost soiling myself when a tipper truck overtook me without me being aware. I was doing about 16/17mph into a loud headwind. No headphones. I was aware it was overtaking me about 0.25 of a second before it passed me.
And, of course, continually turning your head to check is more dangerous, IMHO, than simply riding. I tend to swing the bike in the direction my head turns by anything up to a metre.0 -
We don't seem to know how much the house is worth of either the original poster or the idiot, nor what they earn. You'll never get in the Daily Mail with that sloppiness. Also, are you foreign?0
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Is there more to this clip? Did you provoke him at all, obstruct him or prevent him from overtaking earlier?
I'm not condoning what he did. More helping you think about the downsides of having "it was my right of way" on your grave stone.0 -
Is there more to this clip? Did you provoke him at all, obstruct him or prevent him from overtaking earlier?
I'm not condoning what he did. More helping you think about the downsides of having "it was my right of way" on your grave stone.
Yes, there's more. He's shown it to the police. They are happy that he's done nothing wrong and are taking action.My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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I've never seen anyone driving get so wound up about having to tip toe around a horse rider. Its normally smiles and a jolly wave. Put the same individuals in the same place at the same time, but change the Horse for a Bike and all hell breaks loose!0
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I have to confess - I didn't read the whole post. but always worth considering our own actions too, no matter how in the right we are.
EDIT: there is no duty to report, contrary to what the OP was allegedly told by plod.0 -
More dangerous?! The truck you mention wouldn't have surprised you if you'd been taking regular looks back... wobbling a metre to the side every time you turn your head is not normal.I remember once almost soiling myself when a tipper truck overtook me without me being aware. I was doing about 16/17mph into a loud headwind. No headphones. I was aware it was overtaking me about 0.25 of a second before it passed me.
And, of course, continually turning your head to check is more dangerous, IMHO, than simply riding. I tend to swing the bike in the direction my head turns by anything up to a metre.0 -
I remember once almost soiling myself when a tipper truck overtook me without me being aware. I was doing about 16/17mph into a loud headwind. No headphones. I was aware it was overtaking me about 0.25 of a second before it passed me.
And, of course, continually turning your head to check is more dangerous, IMHO, than simply riding. I tend to swing the bike in the direction my head turns by anything up to a metre.
I confess that my initial post in this thread was slightly tongue-in-cheek, but I must say quite seriously that I am surprised by a cyclist who limits their head-turning because it causes them to weave.
I am a former city dweller who now lives and cycles among tractors, trucks and trailers on the A-Roads of the Marches. I look round a lot. Headwind or not, I also listen a lot. Really, a 4x4 towing a rattling trailer is audible in the next county. Tipper trucks likewise.
It may help that I don't wear a helmet, just a beanie or a casquette. But I am shocked that there are cyclists out there (cyclists who would advise others on how to ride) who do not advocate looking frequently to the rear and who are not surprised that they were surprised by a tipper truck only a quarter of a second before a pass.
I do not doubt for a moment that that happened. I just doubt the wisdom of one who thinks as you seem to think sharing the highway with motor traffic.
Apologies if I have misunderstood your thinking. I am not as bright as I used to pretend to be.0 -
Is there more to this clip? Did you provoke him at all, obstruct him or prevent him from overtaking earlier?
I'm not condoning what he did. More helping you think about the downsides of having "it was my right of way" on your grave stone.
Hiya,
No, nothing more tbh. The clip was 2.5gb which is why i only uploaded the small 45second clip.
Had i done anything to provoke him intentionally i would have admitted it and would not have reacted to his driving manner. The truth is i really didn't know he was behind me until he was actually passing me and beeping.
The whole recording was passed to the police and they were more than happy with my riding, although as mentioned earlier, suggested riding more primary whilst on this particular road.
The driver was not behind when i made the turn (which is pretty much where the clip starts) so you can see he must have been travelling pretty quick.
In regards to the questions about why i didn't hear him, well i was out this evening for a ride and at 20mph in to a headwind you don't always hear traffic behind.
Anyway, thanks again for all the comments and support, appreciate them all.0
