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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6jP32kMPVc&feature=youtu.be
Excuse the language, but this bloke took the micky.
The Gopro didnt pick up the threats he made as he got out his 4x4 (until he realised he was on camera).
Looking back at the video my position is more or less spot on (isnt it??). Perhaps, given that there was a sideroad approaching, i should have been slightly further out (primary position) but in all honesty i think if i had been i would have been flattened by him.
Excuse the language, but this bloke took the micky.
The Gopro didnt pick up the threats he made as he got out his 4x4 (until he realised he was on camera).
Looking back at the video my position is more or less spot on (isnt it??). Perhaps, given that there was a sideroad approaching, i should have been slightly further out (primary position) but in all honesty i think if i had been i would have been flattened by him.
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Looks like he was in a hurry to get home to fuck his sister0
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I'd send that to the local plod, they take very seriously drivers braking hard in front of other vehiclesI'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0
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Your position is spot on. Textbook careless driving, probably dangerous. Send it in.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19647968#p19647968]SloppySchleckonds[/url] wrote:I'd send that to the local plod, they take very seriously drivers braking hard in front of other vehicles
Ill say, this guy was done for dangerous driving for it
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/man_guilty_of_dangerous_driving_after_dispute_with_cyclist_in_bucklesham_road_ipswich_1_4145150
and no there was nothing wrong with your position, the guy was an idiot0 -
Thanks guys. Really appreciate the support.
Have reported it this evening. Fingers crossed the police follow it up!0 -
they can do him for the illegal number plate too surely?0
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Yes, there is nothing worse than a moron in a 4 x 4 trying to force you off a narrow country road, other than a moron in a 4 x 4 towing a trailer trying to force you off a narrow country road, note the person friendly bull bar on the front. That trailer is not road legal either, non working lights, no number plate illumination and illegal number plate.0
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If it was not so dangerous it would be funny how a lot of drivers seem not to have a clue about what cyclist can and cannot do re positioning and priority etc. and how to drive with them on the road.
Recently had some guy doing a right out of a junction opposite mine (where I was going straight across) nearly run me over and beeped his horn as if I was doing something wrong.
He probably drove off ranting with his wife next to him in full agreement that I had :roll:0 -
Happened to me the other day. Calm day, flat road, I am doing about 24/25, tractor behind me stuck at 25 anyway. I hit a slight incline and the idiot tries to overtake me, on a corner, sees a car coming so dives in and I have to come off the road to avoid his trailer, of course I am now full of rage and since slight incline is gone I just catch up and sit behind him, next junction argument ensues. If I could've figured a way to pull the stupid fucker from his tractor I'd have beaten him to a pulp. Not an easy vehicle to approach though...0
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Bloody hell, that was scary.
I suspect plod will "tick him off" (ie. do sod all) rather than charge him with all the different offences he committed.They use their cars as shopping baskets; they use their cars as overcoats.0 -
Watched it a few times, it appears you were riding too far out enough to wind the driver up. Not that it appeared to put him out, but drivers get wound up at any poor road use by anyone whatever they are riding or driving. (He shouldn't have got wound up of course but the fact is he did).
Ride a bit more considerately and this kind of thing won't happen to you.0 -
Watched it a few times, it appears you were riding too far out enough to wind the driver up. Not that it appeared to put him out, but drivers get wound up at any poor road use by anyone whatever they are riding or driving. (He shouldn't have got wound up of course but the fact is he did).
Ride a bit more considerately and this kind of thing won't happen to you.
He's in secondary, probably less. Shaded areas, potholes likely on edge of road, turnings, blind spots. Perhaps he should stick knobblies on and take that green area
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Watched it a few times, it appears you were riding too far out enough to wind the driver up. Not that it appeared to put him out, but drivers get wound up at any poor road use by anyone whatever they are riding or driving. (He shouldn't have got wound up of course but the fact is he did).
Ride a bit more considerately and this kind of thing won't happen to you.
He's in secondary, probably less. Shaded areas, potholes likely on edge of road, turnings, blind spots. Perhaps he should stick knobblies on and take that green area
He's riding in the middle of his lane at the start of the video, can't see any pot holes or turnings etc. If you ride like that on quiet roads then no problem, you are completely within your rights to do so but don't expect to not have the effect of winding up some drivers.0 -
Don't tell us you are on the side of the driver on this site !!!!
Nothing wrong with how the cyclist was riding.Watched it a few times, it appears you were riding too far out enough to wind the driver up. Not that it appeared to put him out, but drivers get wound up at any poor road use by anyone whatever they are riding or driving. (He shouldn't have got wound up of course but the fact is he did).
Ride a bit more considerately and this kind of thing won't happen to you.0 -
mfin wrote:bendertherobot wrote:mfin[/url]"]Watched it a few times, it appears you were riding too far out enough to wind the driver up. Not that it appeared to put him out, but drivers get wound up at any poor road use by anyone whatever they are riding or driving. (He shouldn't have got wound up of course but the fact is he did).
Ride a bit more considerately and this kind of thing won't happen to you.
He's in secondary, probably less. Shaded areas, potholes likely on edge of road, turnings, blind spots. Perhaps he should stick knobblies on and take that green area
He's riding in the middle of his lane at the start of the video, can't see any pot holes or turnings etc. If you ride like that on quiet roads then no problem, you are completely within your rights to do so but don't expect to not have the effect of winding up some drivers.
Thanks for you comments. In response i must point out that the edit doesn't show that i had only just turned on to this road from a main road, via a left turn. I was in primary position through the turn and then moved back over to secondary shortly after (as you can see in video). I must also stress that when i made the left turn there were no cars behind me, so he must have come up at a fair speed.
This is a road i know well and any further left i would be riding in the shade from the hedge, making it extremely difficult for drivers to see me, and also there are drains/manhole covers along the 2 mile stretch of road.
Its also worth noting that the incident was approaching a side road (where the driver slammed his brakes on). Even though its only a drive to a farmhouse estate it is still a side road (and an awkward junction for cars coming out of that road). Therefore to pass i should be in primary should i not??
I am an experienced cyclist and always try to ride correctly and considerately.
Can you expand on your comments? Are you suggesting that riders should always ride in the gutter??0 -
mfin wrote:bendertherobot wrote:mfin[/url]"]Watched it a few times, it appears you were riding too far out enough to wind the driver up. Not that it appeared to put him out, but drivers get wound up at any poor road use by anyone whatever they are riding or driving. (He shouldn't have got wound up of course but the fact is he did).
Ride a bit more considerately and this kind of thing won't happen to you.
He's in secondary, probably less. Shaded areas, potholes likely on edge of road, turnings, blind spots. Perhaps he should stick knobblies on and take that green area
He's riding in the middle of his lane at the start of the video, can't see any pot holes or turnings etc. If you ride like that on quiet roads then no problem, you are completely within your rights to do so but don't expect to not have the effect of winding up some drivers.
Thanks for you comments. In response i must point out that the edit doesn't show that i had only just turned on to this road from a main road, via a left turn. I was in primary position through the turn and then moved back over to secondary shortly after (as you can see in video). I must also stress that when i made the left turn there were no cars behind me, so he must have come up at a fair speed.
This is a road i know well and any further left i would be riding in the shade from the hedge, making it extremely difficult for drivers to see me, and also there are drains/manhole covers along the 2 mile stretch of road.
Its also worth noting that the incident was approaching a side road (where the driver slammed his brakes on). Even though its only a drive to a farmhouse estate it is still a side road (and an awkward junction for cars coming out of that road). Therefore to pass i should be in primary should i not??
I am an experienced cyclist and always try to ride correctly and considerately.
Can you expand on your comments? Are you suggesting that riders should always ride in the gutter??
No, I'm not. My comments were based on what I could see, and I could understand why it would wind some drivers up that's all. That said, perhaps you didn't hear him early enough to file in sooner, if that's the case (wind noise/speed) then if you can't hear then it's better to ride further in. On another general point, I also believe on roads such as these that consideration is key, I don't get beeped by irritated drivers myself. (All this movement between primary/secondary (subjective definition anyway) isn't really relevant apart from when in traffic).
You did move in a lot when he beeped too, it wasn't an 'angry' beep, you obviously knew to pull in more as you were out in the road, and then you immediately shouted and gobbed off. As a result it seems he heard you and stopped, what's the point in that? To try wind him up more? Cos it seems to have worked.
Anyway, it's up to you how you ride or how that relates to putting yourself in danger or putting others out in your mind.0 -
Watched it a few times, it appears you were riding too far out enough to wind the driver up. Not that it appeared to put him out, but drivers get wound up at any poor road use by anyone whatever they are riding or driving. (He shouldn't have got wound up of course but the fact is he did).
Ride a bit more considerately and this kind of thing won't happen to you.
He's in secondary, probably less. Shaded areas, potholes likely on edge of road, turnings, blind spots. Perhaps he should stick knobblies on and take that green area
He's riding in the middle of his lane at the start of the video, can't see any pot holes or turnings etc. If you ride like that on quiet roads then no problem, you are completely within your rights to do so but don't expect to not have the effect of winding up some drivers.
There is no lane. Unless you mean perceived middle of an imagined lane were there to be a white line Safe riding isn't about knowing where a pothole or a turning is (though the OP has local knowledge), it's about knowing where they are likely to he. His positioning is absolutely fine.
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mfin wrote:
No, I'm not. My comments were based on what I could see, and I could understand why it would wind some drivers up that's all. That said, perhaps you didn't hear him early enough to file in sooner, if that's the case (wind noise/speed) then if you can't hear then it's better to ride further in. On another general point, I also believe on roads such as these that consideration is key, I don't get beeped by irritated drivers myself. (All this movement between primary/secondary (subjective definition anyway) isn't really relevant apart from when in traffic).
You did move in a lot when he beeped too, it wasn't an 'angry' beep, you obviously knew to pull in more as you were out in the road, and then you immediately shouted and gobbed off. As a result it seems he heard you and stopped, what's the point in that? To try wind him up more? Cos it seems to have worked.
Anyway, it's up to you how you ride or how that relates to putting yourself in danger or putting others out in your mind.
I honestly had no idea he was behind. I check regularly over my shoulder, he really must have come up at such speed, i guess that shows what type of driver he was!
Watch it again and listen carefully. He beeps when hes alongside me! Not when hes behind me!
I did shout at him because he was so close when he passed, and that was before i realised he had a trailor!
Fine, had i been riding right up against the verge (where i ended up to avoid being taken out) maybe he could have just shot straight passed without the incident, but then that position would have been even more dangerous because (as stated before) i would have been hidden in the shade of the hedge, would have either had to swerve to avoid the drains along the road or ride straight over them, and had any car been slightly jutting out of the side road immediately ahead i would have ended up on his bonnet.
Anyway, i have had great support from so many people, and yours is the first complaint towards my position. That said, i will take your comments on board. I am not a perfect rider and always looking to improve.0 -
Textbook farmer type. Always in a hurry and he owns the country roads. He's also married to his sister.0
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A mate of mine is currently in hospital with 3 broken vertebrae and just out of a coma, because a van hit him from behind at high speed on a fast A-road.
Why? The driver was texting.
Idiots like him, and the one on this thread should be prosecuted as far as humanly possible.
What annoys me is that it's all speed, speed, speed, radars everywhere, no police anymore. Unfortunately, radars do not catch dozy, texting drivers, or aggressive drivers, or stupid, don't look drivers.0 -
Can't be bothered reading the nonsense from the devil's advocates (bound to be a few) but that's spot on cycling and dangerous driving. The threats to kill make it worse and needs to be reported to the police. When he eventually ends up hurting or killing a cyclist it might be admissible in evidence.Rose Xlite Team 3100 Di2
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Can't be bothered reading the nonsense from the devil's advocates (bound to be a few) but that's spot on cycling and dangerous driving. The threats to kill make it worse and needs to be reported to the police. When he eventually ends up hurting or killing a cyclist it might be admissible in evidence.
You've made a good point here. If these types of incidents aren't reported and action taken, drivers will continue to behave the way they do.I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0 -
He bibs to let you know he's there, you move in a bit to let him pass and everyone just gets on with their day. Granted he bibbed late but what is your expectation in this type of situation, that he just sits behind you?
It's just not worth getting wound up by this sort of thing. How long did it piss you off for, hours? Does it put you off riding on that stretch of road again? It would have been so much easier just to move in and let him go even if his driving was less than perfect.0 -
If there is not enough room for him to pass safely, then - A resounding Yes!He bibs to let you know he's there, you move in a bit to let him pass and everyone just gets on with their day. Granted he bibbed late but what is your expectation in this type of situation, that he just sits behind you?
He does not have a right to pass. The cyclist has a right to be there and position himself/herself anywhere in the lane that is safe. Leaving room is a courtesy once safety has been taken care of. That is the law.
PS - A driver's perspective of "enough room" is different to that of a cyclist.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Or just accept that you're slow and that it would be better not to hold up faster vehicles and let them pass - seeing them go off into the distance is preferable to having them sat behind you. If there wasn't room for a car to pass me I would stop at the side and wave them past as soon as I was aware of their presence.0
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You would be stationary for a long time waving traffic through in my neck of the woods. They can wait till the next junction at which point they will probably join the main road.Or just accept that you're slow and that it would be better not to hold up faster vehicles and let them pass - seeing them go off into the distance is preferable to having them sat behind you. If there wasn't room for a car to pass me I would stop at the side and wave them past as soon as I was aware of their presence.
Cyclists have a right to be there. It is a pity that motorists don't appear to be taught that.
By all means pull over if you have no choice for your safety but to do so. Gutter cyclists only encourage bad driving.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
cant understand why you didnt hear an old 4x4 with a rattly trailer on a rural road, coming up on you, if he was going as fast as you say, then why did he slow dramatically to overtake?
I d have moved in slightly and slowed for the junction, all that has happened here is that your pee'd off and another driver thinks all cyclists are road hogging tossher's.
We have to ride the roads as they are, not as we wish they'd be, the law wont help you if things go wrong and its no good being in the right but dead.0 -
This is true but is riding in the ditch to appease impatient drivers really the only solution?We have to ride the roads as they are, not as we wish they'd be, the law wont help you if things go wrong and its no good being in the right but dead.
I suggest education is the solution but admit that I am probably wasting my time.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Maybe he could, but IMO that alone is a good enough reason to have been riding further out. If you ride far enough to the left that a car can theoretically squeeze past you on a narrow road without slowing down, that's exactly what is going to happen. All it takes is for someone to misjudge the gap, take it too fast, make the pass when there's a pothole or other obstacle in front of you, or to do it before you realise a vehicle is even behind you and suddenly you have all the conditions for a serious accident.Fine, had i been riding right up against the verge (where i ended up to avoid being taken out) maybe he could have just shot straight passed without the incident
If I'm riding on a road like that I stay far enough out to force people to wait until I know they're there before overtaking me. I'm more than willing to find a driveway or passing place or a slightly wider bit of road to pull over and let a vehicle through, and I make frequent shoulder checks (especially if it's windy and it's hard to hear anything behind you), but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect drivers to have a little patience when they find themselves behind a cyclist for a few seconds.0 -
Exactly, the inbred would have happily sat and waited for a horse rider I suspect.but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect drivers to have a little patience when they find themselves behind a cyclist for a few seconds.0
