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I’m just going on the actual stats, Pross.
Once again, your experience isn’t necessarily a universal experience.
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Data shows that, in the year to March, just 4.4% of all theft offences resulted in someone being charged.
In the same year, only 3.9% of residential burglaries resulted in someone being charged. The equivalent figure for vehicle theft was 1.8%, while for thefts from the person it was just 0.9%
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That relates to people being charged. You asserted the police won’t investigate. I gave you an example of a minor crime that was investigated to a higher level than I would have expected.
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Don’t think it will make much difference.
If guilty, tories will still be unpopular, and if innocent ….. well it depends on how much milage Labour want to get out of it, probably not much as they seem to be content to keep their powder dry.
We’ll be talking about something else next week.
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Sorry, you would consider pressuring the police to investigate some potentially spurious claims for political gain is a ‘good plan’?
If there is a genuine likelihood of a crime having been committed I would say they should be investigating. However, the law seems to disagree and proceedings have to be commenced within 12 months of the alleged offence (Section 176) so unless I’m misunderstanding they can’t do anything.
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Don't go crushing dreams, Pross.
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How do we know its spurious if there is no investigation? There appears to me to be enough evidence to warrant a follow up and clearly the police think so too, otherwise they wouldn't be investigating.
Given that Rayner has spent a lot of time shouting about alleged Tory misdemeanors and demanding that Tory politicians resign for alleged offences, she deserves a taste of her own medicine. And her continued lack of transparency on this is quite telling.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I wasn’t saying was spurious, I was talking about your comment that it was a ‘good plan’ and that you didn’t seem bothered if it was spurious.
However, the legislation I quoted seems to suggest that if there was any wrongdoing it is far too late for proceedings to be commenced (I accept I could be misunderstanding that though).
As for Rayner demanding various politicians resign, she’s a bit of a Leftie gobshite for sure but most of the list have actually been found to be guilty of stuff. I suspect Starmer would be very happy if she had to step down as she’s been foisted on him by the Left.
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"Under investigation" case status starts from the report of an allegation, and in this case probably means they just haven't looked at it enough to close it yet.
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If it discredits leftie politicians in the eyes of the electorate, its a good plan.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You hope.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Wasting police time and resources that are already stretched too far for political gain isn’t a ‘good plan’.
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I don't think it is. It just discredits politics in general, which leads to people not voting. It's also proved to be a failed campaign strategy. Both sides have tried to slag off each other - Starmer's legal career; those idiotic attack ads against Sunak - and it's not helped. A reason not to vote Labour, still doesn't give people a reason to vote for the Conservatives - hence they are switching to Reform. If they genuinely want to win (and I think some of them have bought into the Corbynist logic of purist defeat being better than winning compromise, while others are just jacking it in as a lost cause) they should try something different.
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How do you know it's wasting police time? As mentioned above, it was clearly groundless then they wouldn't bother investigating, would they?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Rayner has spent a lot of time shouting about alleged Tory misdemeanours, and demanding resignations so I feel it's only fair that she gets a taste of her own medicine. Nobody likes a hypocrite.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Oh so it's revenge for her being mean to your boys now 😁
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Karma, maybe 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I was replying to your reply to my original post where I said if it was spurious. You didn’t seem bothered if it was spurious or not as it was still a good plan.
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If it was spurious, the police wouldn't be investigating. Simple.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That feels a rather rose tinted view of the police
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It’s amazing what can happen when senior officers are getting pressure from politicians and the media. I seem to recall Durham getting pressured into investigating Beergate after initially saying there was nothing wrong (and then finding there was nothing wrong).
If this is your best hope of election success you may find yourself disappointed.
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I actually think this Rayner stuff is backfiring.
It’s a working northern woman who’s trying her best and the tax amount is actually a relatable amount.
Just looks like a load of old toffs going after a relatable person for the crime of being outspoken but not posh.
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Its not.
Although I can't see any harm in this staying in the public eye for a long time.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sounds like you've swallowed the Labour narrative on this hook, line and sinker.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Nope. We know the police are time constrained so it would be very convenient for them to throw out a baseless case quickly - if it were baseless. A bit like what the Scottish police have done with JK Rowlings alleged 'hate' tweets.
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I dont pretend to understand tax law at all but if the options are Angela Raynor possibly having not understood the cgt situation or her accuser who has avoided paying millions (probably legally but why did he lie about it?). I think a large proportion would see Lord Ashcroft as the baddie
Ashcroft has been described as a "tax exile",[5] and for a number of years lived in the UK enjoying the controversial non-domiciled tax status. At the time of his ennoblement the Cabinet Office said that Ashcroft would be taking up permanent residence in the UK for tax purposes,[5] an undertaking described in the newspapers as a "pledge"[6] and a "gentleman's agreement",[5] but he did not in fact claim to do so until a decade later,[7][8] when a change in the law would have required him to quit the Lords, had he not done so.[8] Then in 2017 it was revealed following the Paradise Papers leak of offshore investment documents that Lord Ashcroft remained a domicile of Belize despite having claimed to have given up his non-dom tax status in 2010.[85]
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