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tangled_metal

The issue with constituency size was one of my bugbears since I heard that one GE Scottish constituencies were on average significantly smaller in registered voter size than English ones. This was either just before or after the vote in parliament giving Scotland the right to get or vote for devolved powers.

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ours isnastate system available to all...

You original point was that no other countries have separate secondary education streams. Rubbish
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education
Apart from Germany, we also have Switzerland, Italy, Ireland, Singapore, Denmark, Czech Republic, to name but a few.

Time to admit you're wrong and move on

Haha your quite the card aren't you? Repeat bull S and it becomes true ? Not quite, that wiki link doesn't support your cliamsat all, what it does show is a very well developed vocational system, which we don't have, would explain how all the eu trades people find it so easy to get work in the UK.
When May announces similar you ll have my support, education policy should be above politics.

bompington

Tangled Metal wrote:

The issue with constituency size was one of my bugbears since I heard that one GE Scottish constituencies were on average significantly smaller in registered voter size than English ones. This was either just before or after the vote in parliament giving Scotland the right to get or vote for devolved powers.

If you take out a few exceptions then Scotland and England have pretty much the same constituency size*. The exceptions are mostly islands where it just doesn't make sense to split them up any differently - Orkney, Shetland and Eileanen an Iar (Western Isles) are much smaller than average, but the Isle of Wight is much bigger.

So an eileanach has a vote worth up to 5 times more than other voters.

The whole point of the boundaries being changed is to try and even things up - hence the howls of protest from those (chiefly Labour) who benefit the most from the existing inequalities. The idea that it's some sort of a Tory stitch-up is as contemptible as it is absurd.

*In Wales it's actually much smaller, I don't know what their excuse is

tangled_metal

You're right. English median constituency sizes are only 5% bigger than Scotland's and 27% bigger than Welsh median constituency size.

The historical figures I remember being quoted back in early Blair days was 76k for England and 56k for Wales and Scotland constituencies. I've not found anywhere giving median.constituency sizes for the nations going back in time to past GEs. Would be interested in seeing that from say the ONS or other respected statistical body.

kingstongraham

It could be done based on more than just the electoral register though. It shouldn't only be registered voters that are represented by an MP. Children, for example.

Can't help thinking this wouldn't change things that much from the realignment that will happen.

ballysmate

They were going to bring Wolfie back in Citizen Smith.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... ision.html

But Corbyn has beat them to it. He even has his own list of people that have pi55ed him off. Come the revolution...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ned-leader

Apparently you can get on the list by telling Diane Abbott to fcuk off.

tangled_metal

Let's hope the electoral commission get on the list and split her constituency up into Corbyn's and Thornberry's. Would be good to see the hypocritical, Corbyn attack dog be retired. Would give her more time to rant on tv though. That can only be a good thing as it'll show up how bankrupt their political ideology is.

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ours isnastate system available to all...

You original point was that no other countries have separate secondary education streams. Rubbish
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education
Apart from Germany, we also have Switzerland, Italy, Ireland, Singapore, Denmark, Czech Republic, to name but a few.

Time to admit you're wrong and move on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37364697

tangled_metal

Don't think you've proven anything with that link Mambo. One link doesn't win the argument you've not proven anything. Now answer my question!

Insert quotes from up thread to labour the point and dodge the thorny issue of OECD director of education doesn't believe grammars work as well as their supporters claim.

Sorry! Channeling my inner Stevo.

Stevo_666

mamba80 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ours isnastate system available to all...

You original point was that no other countries have separate secondary education streams. Rubbish
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education
Apart from Germany, we also have Switzerland, Italy, Ireland, Singapore, Denmark, Czech Republic, to name but a few.

Time to admit you're wrong and move on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37364697

In the view of one individual in the OECD which is spreading itself rather thinly trying to cover all OECD countries. It takes no account of the latest proposals, in particular the quotas for disadvantaged pupils.

Also not everyone agrees with the OECD on education, far from it actually:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/may/06/oecd-pisa-tests-damaging-education-academics

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

They were going to bring Wolfie back in Citizen Smith.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... ision.html

But Corbyn has beat them to it. He even has his own list of people that have pi55ed him off. Come the revolution...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ned-leader

Apparently you can get on the list by telling Diane Abbott to fcuk off.

Why is it no surprise that the Corbyn team has compiled a list of those who have dissed the dear leader? Or be incompetent enough to release it by accident

The gloves are off now...

laurentian

. . . talking of gloves off, anyone see Question Time last night?

Stevo_666

laurentian wrote:

. . . talking of gloves off, anyone see Question Time last night?

No, what happened?

drlodge

I only saw the first couple of minutes, they were very quickly into the topic of grammar schools and knocking them due to children being stigmatised for failing the 11+. So I turned over.

dabber

Stevo 666 wrote:

laurentian wrote:

. . . talking of gloves off, anyone see Question Time last night?

No, what happened?

Apparently Mcdonnell and Campbell had a go at each other on air that continued off air and according to some reports nearly came to blows... handbags at dawn.... pair of tossers, both of them.

Stevo_666

Dabber wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

laurentian wrote:

. . . talking of gloves off, anyone see Question Time last night?

No, what happened?

Apparently Mcdonnell and Campbell had a go at each other on air that continued off air and according to some reports nearly came to blows... handbags at dawn.... pair of tossers, both of them.

Ta - found a clip on the net. Belter. We know that the two wings of the party hate each other, but takes something for it to spill over like that on prime time BBC

Cant see how they will stay in one piece.

ballysmate

Another step along the path to unelectability.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... t-83496599

The man's a fcuking genius.

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

Another step along the path to unelectability.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... t-83496599

The man's a fcuking genius.

I'm not convinced that giving me a say in choosing Labour Cabinet members and policies is that great an idea from a Labour perspective

Stevo_666

This is pretty damning stuff:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37401188

Although a certain forumite's favourite politician did lead Labour to two consecutive election defeats himself.

ballysmate

Stevo 666 wrote:

This is pretty damning stuff:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37401188

Although a certain forumite's favourite politician did lead Labour to two consecutive election defeats himself.

See. Everyone can be right once if they wait long enough. Mind you in P's hero's case it has taken 30 years.

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

This is pretty damning stuff:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37401188

Although a certain forumite's favourite politician did lead Labour to two consecutive election defeats himself.

See. Everyone can be right once if they wait long enough. Mind you in P's hero's case it has taken 30 years.

To put that into perspective, a stopped clock is right twice a day.

ballysmate

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nting.html

Corbyn appoints a shadow HO Minister responsible for covering abuse and domestic violence who has a conviction for domestic violence. Can't be said that they don't have the necessary experience can it?
In this case it happens to be a woman. I wonder if there will be the same furore from the usual suspects over this appointment as there would if Corbyn had appointed a wife beater?

mamba80

Ballysmate wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3804907/Labour-s-shadow-minister-domestic-violence-cautioned-bust-husband-hitting-framed-painting.html

Corbyn appoints a shadow HO Minister responsible for covering abuse and domestic violence who has a conviction for domestic violence. Can't be said that they don't have the necessary experience can it?
In this case it happens to be a woman. I wonder if there will be the same furore from the usual suspects over this appointment as there would if Corbyn had appointed a wife beater?

Do you work for the Mail? Champion was very much responsible for bring the Rotherham child abuse scandal to the nations attention, few MPs have so much for this cause.

i have had some experience of Miss Champion and she came across as a caring and passionate MP on the subject of child abuse.

"Both Miss Champion, a vocal campaigner against domestic abuse, and Mr Hoyland, a best-selling author and mountaineer, received police cautions"

So she had an argument with her husband? we dont know the details or his past abuse of her.

a female friend of mine got a caution for spiting in her partners face, he got nothing, the back drop is that she was scared shitless of him, he d beat her for many years before finally leaving him, despite repeatedly reporting his abuse to the Police, they always did nothing, he would always dent and there were no witnesses.
in this spitting instance, he went to grab her (over an argument about their 2 children, one conceived after he raped her) and for reasons unknown, she spat at him, he smiled, backed off and went straight to the Police, she admitted what she d done, was she in the wrong? yes

try and have some understanding before you jump to conclusions on subjects you clearly have no experience off.

bobmcstuff

Also a police caution is not the same as a conviction, just FYI.

Stevo_666

Results day today, likely to be a good result for the country

Mr_Cellophane

Stevo 666 wrote:

Results day today, likely to be a good result for the country

It certainly was. Not such a good result for the Labour Party though

Stevo_666

Mr_Cellophane wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Results day today, likely to be a good result for the country

It certainly was. Not such a good result for the Labour Party though

Wahey. I think I will pop the cork on something nice tonigh to celebrate the success of what this thread set out to do 8)

Just need to follow it through to a full on general election rout for New Old Labour.

crispybug2

Ballysmate wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3804907/Labour-s-shadow-minister-domestic-violence-cautioned-bust-husband-hitting-framed-painting.html

Corbyn appoints a shadow HO Minister responsible for covering abuse and domestic violence who has a conviction for domestic violence. Can't be said that they don't have the necessary experience can it?
In this case it happens to be a woman. I wonder if there will be the same furore from the usual suspects over this appointment as there would if Corbyn had appointed a wife beater?

Just to conform to stereotypes the Daily Heil still manages to put in a reference to house prices in an article unrelated to house prices.......... Comedy gold!!!

joelsim

A cracking day for 10% of the U.K.

No, not the Corbynistas, they've just unwittingly put an X in the Conservative box.

Stevo_666

Still the delusion persists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37461892

Will be interesting to see what happens next.