BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?0 -
I think everyone wants him to just f*** off now. Including most of his party and probably even Stevo though he would never admit it.Pross said:Was it my imagination or did Grant Shapps roll his eyes when he gave that response?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
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The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?0 -
The UK is not better off with Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Mmm long term is that the case?surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?0 -
As a whole or a particular group within the UK?surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rick_chasey said:
If the replies are to believed, a big chunk of that was selling off the National Grid (or a large part of it) to an Australian investment firm. And they'll get their income from their investment how?0 -
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I am not that relaxed about it and want a government to start to work with UK retailers to wean then off the idea that this disparity is going to continue. Its called and industrial strategy. If Remainers had thought about it some time ago we probably would still be in the EU.rick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?0 -
The UK is still in Europe. Hope that helps.briantrumpet said:Have we left?
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as a wholerjsterry said:
As a whole or a particular group within the UK?surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?0 -
I honestly don't know.rick_chasey said:
Mmm long term is that the case?surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?
Genuinely free trade in both directions is seen as a good thing but is a one way street still a good thing?0 -
The consumer will be better off as it's like we are still in the EU and they will benefit from more competition.surrey_commuter said:
I honestly don't know.rick_chasey said:
Mmm long term is that the case?surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?
Genuinely free trade in both directions is seen as a good thing but is a one way street still a good thing?
For UK business who export or in my case export while servicing the UK market as well it's truly the sh1tty end of the stick.
We've given up our chance to be competitive in the EU while not reciprocating. It begs the question why?
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TheBigBean said:
The UK is still in Europe. Hope that helps.briantrumpet said:Have we left?
That kinda hits the nail on the head: we've given up a lot of our ability to influence the politics of the region we are inarguably in. And the region we are in is, in part, defined by its political structure. Pretending that that isn't the case is why we are in this mess.0 -
I think disadvantaging your exports but not your imports is not good policy and in the long term leads to huge amounts of flight of economic activity.surrey_commuter said:
I honestly don't know.rick_chasey said:
Mmm long term is that the case?surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?
Genuinely free trade in both directions is seen as a good thing but is a one way street still a good thing?1 -
the answer to your question is - foreignersskyblueamateur said:
The consumer will be better off as it's like we are still in the EU and they will benefit from more competition.surrey_commuter said:
I honestly don't know.rick_chasey said:
Mmm long term is that the case?surrey_commuter said:
The UKrjsterry said:
Is who better off?surrey_commuter said:
serious questionrick_chasey said:Glad to see the Brexiters so relaxed that the government arrangement makes it easier for EU exporters to the UK than it is for UK exporters to the EU.
That’s real winning right there isn’t it?
if you accept that we are where we are with exports are we better off not imposing any restrictions on imports from the EU?
Genuinely free trade in both directions is seen as a good thing but is a one way street still a good thing?
For UK business who export or in my case export while servicing the UK market as well it's truly the sh1tty end of the stick.
We've given up our chance to be competitive in the EU while not reciprocating. It begs the question why?1 -
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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He doesn't inspire. I don't think JoB was convinced by Kier Starmer.
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I don't think that this writer or the committee is too keen on @surrey_commuter 's laissez faire attitude to letting food production being left to the 'free market', in the current circumstances.
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all vested interests, I remain entirely relaxed about food securitybriantrumpet said:I don't think that this writer or the committee is too keen on @surrey_commuter 's laissez faire attitude to letting food production being left to the 'free market', in the current circumstances.
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surrey_commuter said:
all vested interests, I remain entirely relaxed about food securitybriantrumpet said:I don't think that this writer or the committee is too keen on @surrey_commuter 's laissez faire attitude to letting food production being left to the 'free market', in the current circumstances.
Are government committees vested interests?0 -
I'm fairly relaxed about food security too.
I usually am after getting fu**ed.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Imho hand in hand with the farming lobby, if they gave a sh1t about food poverty they would redirect the £4bn pa farm subsidy to needy consumers of food.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
all vested interests, I remain entirely relaxed about food securitybriantrumpet said:I don't think that this writer or the committee is too keen on @surrey_commuter 's laissez faire attitude to letting food production being left to the 'free market', in the current circumstances.
Are government committees vested interests?
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Like £4bn would make the a measurable difference to UK poverty.surrey_commuter said:
Imho hand in hand with the farming lobby, if they gave a censored about food poverty they would redirect the £4bn pa farm subsidy to needy consumers of food.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
all vested interests, I remain entirely relaxed about food securitybriantrumpet said:I don't think that this writer or the committee is too keen on @surrey_commuter 's laissez faire attitude to letting food production being left to the 'free market', in the current circumstances.
Are government committees vested interests?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
surrey_commuter said:
Imho hand in hand with the farming lobby, if they gave a censored about food poverty they would redirect the £4bn pa farm subsidy to needy consumers of food.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
all vested interests, I remain entirely relaxed about food securitybriantrumpet said:I don't think that this writer or the committee is too keen on @surrey_commuter 's laissez faire attitude to letting food production being left to the 'free market', in the current circumstances.
Are government committees vested interests?
Actually seems like a small price to pay for a thriving food production system that can be nudged towards more sustainable farming practices, instead of relying on foreign imports whose cheapness is largely reliant on trashing the environment.1 -
Isn't the argument they've got inefficient off the back of heavy subsidies?briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
Imho hand in hand with the farming lobby, if they gave a censored about food poverty they would redirect the £4bn pa farm subsidy to needy consumers of food.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
all vested interests, I remain entirely relaxed about food securitybriantrumpet said:I don't think that this writer or the committee is too keen on @surrey_commuter 's laissez faire attitude to letting food production being left to the 'free market', in the current circumstances.
Are government committees vested interests?
Actually seems like a small price to pay for a thriving food production system that can be nudged towards more sustainable farming practices, instead of relying on foreign imports whose cheapness is largely reliant on trashing the environment.0 -
An interesting article from a old Cake Stop favourite, Lord Frost:
https://telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/04/06/ultra-remainers-mobilising-prepare-ground-rejoining-eu/
A few choice quotes which are pretty accurate to the extent you wonder if he reads Cake Stop
"The Brexit battle seems long over. The titanic debates after the referendum, in which both Remainers and Brexiteers played to sweep the board, seemingly ended with near-total victory for the advocates of a real Brexit. With a supreme effort, Britain shook itself free of the European Union and became a full democracy once again, an outcome which had seemed impossible almost until the moment it happened.
The grand new free trade agreement we had been told would take 10 years to agree was put in place in 10 months. And the behaviour of the EU in 2021, from subverting the Northern Ireland Protocol to rubbishing the Astrazeneca vaccine, left few people interested in refighting old battles.
And yet. On the fringes of politics the unreconciled Remainers are regrouping."
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"Of course there is little chance of a serious “rejoin” campaign developing in the short term. Remainer Jacobitism in support of Ursula von der Leyen as the queen over the water is just too unpopular.
The leaders of the pro-EU cause recognise that themselves. Instead, their aim is to keep us aligned with the EU, often using the Northern Ireland Protocol as a weapon. They know that if the UK doesn’t diverge much from EU law, it will be much easier to take us back in later if events work in their favour.
To do this they have to get it established in the public mind that somehow Brexit is “already failing”, and thus destroy our nerve to do things our own way. Their picture of Britain is not the one the rest of us see: living with Covid successfully, leading on Ukraine, coming out of the economic downturn faster than Germany, and with PMI business confidence levels higher than the eurozone or the US. Instead, they try to suggest that, whatever problems the world has, we in Britain have them worse.
They use any argument that comes to hand. Last autumn it was HGV drivers and the threat to the Christmas turkey supply chain. This month the story is the latest trade figures and delays at Dover (the latter caused, in fact, by the withdrawal of P&O ships)."
And finally
"The economist Tim Worstall noted this week that “the EU had 1973 to 2020 to show that UK membership was a good idea. 47 years. Let’s measure Brexit by that same standard.”
See y'all in 2069..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
