BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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The one on the protocol is only relevant one though really.tailwindhome said:
The only thing that has shown anything like achieving a majority is the UK having a closer relationship to Europe and thereby removing the trade barriers. This also has the support of 4 of the 5 parties (and occasionally the DUP)TheBigBean said:
Ultimately, the aim should be something that is accepted by the majority.
On the Protocol is split (IIRC) 48% to 46% against.
56% voted Remain
57% want their 'MLA to vote to remain in the Single Market'0 -
Not if the objective is "something that is accepted by the majority"TheBigBean said:
The one on the protocol is only relevant one though really.tailwindhome said:
The only thing that has shown anything like achieving a majority is the UK having a closer relationship to Europe and thereby removing the trade barriers. This also has the support of 4 of the 5 parties (and occasionally the DUP)TheBigBean said:
Ultimately, the aim should be something that is accepted by the majority.
On the Protocol is split (IIRC) 48% to 46% against.
56% voted Remain
57% want their 'MLA to vote to remain in the Single Market'“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yes, so the majority needs to either accept or reject the protocol. At the moment, the polling is not clear. Wishing the UK aligned with the EU or ROI aligned with the UK isn't an option available to the NI electorate.tailwindhome said:
Not if the objective is "something that is accepted by the majority"TheBigBean said:
The one on the protocol is only relevant one though really.tailwindhome said:
The only thing that has shown anything like achieving a majority is the UK having a closer relationship to Europe and thereby removing the trade barriers. This also has the support of 4 of the 5 parties (and occasionally the DUP)TheBigBean said:
Ultimately, the aim should be something that is accepted by the majority.
On the Protocol is split (IIRC) 48% to 46% against.
56% voted Remain
57% want their 'MLA to vote to remain in the Single Market'
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The alternative consent mechanism (if the assembly has collapsed due to Unionist refusal to nominate either First or deputy First Minister) is for the secretary of state to instruct the speaker of the assembly to recall the assembly and have the vote.TheBigBean said:They can still collapse the assembly though can't they? And I think the UK government said at the time the WA agreement was agreed, they would then consider a referendum.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Sure, but why would he or she do that? Or are you saying the referendum simply can't happen?tailwindhome said:
The alternative consent mechanism (if the assembly has collapsed due to Unionist refusal to nominate either First or deputy First Minister) is for the secretary of state to instruct the speaker of the assembly to recall the assembly and have the vote.TheBigBean said:They can still collapse the assembly though can't they? And I think the UK government said at the time the WA agreement was agreed, they would then consider a referendum.
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Is not only possible but likely that the Protocol is unable to secure majority support but there won't be a majority of MLAs to remove it.TheBigBean said:
Yes, so the majority needs to either accept or reject the protocol. At the moment, the polling is not clear. Wishing the UK aligned with the EU or ROI aligned with the UK isn't an option available to the NI electorate.tailwindhome said:
Not if the objective is "something that is accepted by the majority"TheBigBean said:
The one on the protocol is only relevant one though really.tailwindhome said:
The only thing that has shown anything like achieving a majority is the UK having a closer relationship to Europe and thereby removing the trade barriers. This also has the support of 4 of the 5 parties (and occasionally the DUP)TheBigBean said:
Ultimately, the aim should be something that is accepted by the majority.
On the Protocol is split (IIRC) 48% to 46% against.
56% voted Remain
57% want their 'MLA to vote to remain in the Single Market'
Your desire for 'majority support' doesn't seem to reflect the outcome that NI actually wants.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Is not only possible but likely that the Protocol is unable to secure majority support but there won't be a majority of MLAs to remove it.TheBigBean said:
Yes, so the majority needs to either accept or reject the protocol. At the moment, the polling is not clear. Wishing the UK aligned with the EU or ROI aligned with the UK isn't an option available to the NI electorate.tailwindhome said:
Not if the objective is "something that is accepted by the majority"TheBigBean said:
The one on the protocol is only relevant one though really.tailwindhome said:
The only thing that has shown anything like achieving a majority is the UK having a closer relationship to Europe and thereby removing the trade barriers. This also has the support of 4 of the 5 parties (and occasionally the DUP)TheBigBean said:
Ultimately, the aim should be something that is accepted by the majority.
On the Protocol is split (IIRC) 48% to 46% against.
56% voted Remain
57% want their 'MLA to vote to remain in the Single Market'
Your desire for 'majority support' doesn't seem to reflect the outcome that NI actually wants.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yes, sorry, you mean like the way the UK parliament spent ages voting down Brexit ideas. I meant if there is a referendum (protocol / no protocol), then they have to support something although you could say that voting for "no protocol" is not really picking an option.tailwindhome said:
Is not only possible but likely that the Protocol is unable to secure majority support but there won't be a majority of MLAs to remove it.TheBigBean said:
Yes, so the majority needs to either accept or reject the protocol. At the moment, the polling is not clear. Wishing the UK aligned with the EU or ROI aligned with the UK isn't an option available to the NI electorate.tailwindhome said:
Not if the objective is "something that is accepted by the majority"TheBigBean said:
The one on the protocol is only relevant one though really.tailwindhome said:
The only thing that has shown anything like achieving a majority is the UK having a closer relationship to Europe and thereby removing the trade barriers. This also has the support of 4 of the 5 parties (and occasionally the DUP)TheBigBean said:
Ultimately, the aim should be something that is accepted by the majority.
On the Protocol is split (IIRC) 48% to 46% against.
56% voted Remain
57% want their 'MLA to vote to remain in the Single Market'
Your desire for 'majority support' doesn't seem to reflect the outcome that NI actually wants.0 -
There isn't going to be a referendum on the ProtocolTheBigBean said:
Yes, sorry, you mean like the way the UK parliament spent ages voting down Brexit ideas. I meant if there is a referendum (protocol / no protocol), then they have to support something although you could say that voting for "no protocol" is not really picking an option.tailwindhome said:
Is not only possible but likely that the Protocol is unable to secure majority support but there won't be a majority of MLAs to remove it.TheBigBean said:
Yes, so the majority needs to either accept or reject the protocol. At the moment, the polling is not clear. Wishing the UK aligned with the EU or ROI aligned with the UK isn't an option available to the NI electorate.tailwindhome said:
Not if the objective is "something that is accepted by the majority"TheBigBean said:
The one on the protocol is only relevant one though really.tailwindhome said:
The only thing that has shown anything like achieving a majority is the UK having a closer relationship to Europe and thereby removing the trade barriers. This also has the support of 4 of the 5 parties (and occasionally the DUP)TheBigBean said:
Ultimately, the aim should be something that is accepted by the majority.
On the Protocol is split (IIRC) 48% to 46% against.
56% voted Remain
57% want their 'MLA to vote to remain in the Single Market'
Your desire for 'majority support' doesn't seem to reflect the outcome that NI actually wants.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Missed this earlierTheBigBean said:
Sure, but why would he or she do that? Or are you saying the referendum simply can't happen?tailwindhome said:
The alternative consent mechanism (if the assembly has collapsed due to Unionist refusal to nominate either First or deputy First Minister) is for the secretary of state to instruct the speaker of the assembly to recall the assembly and have the vote.TheBigBean said:They can still collapse the assembly though can't they? And I think the UK government said at the time the WA agreement was agreed, they would then consider a referendum.
This is the process that's in the legislation“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yes, I did some further reading. At the time there was talk of a referendum being an alternative. It seems that all bets are off if there is direct rule though.tailwindhome said:
Missed this earlierTheBigBean said:
Sure, but why would he or she do that? Or are you saying the referendum simply can't happen?tailwindhome said:
The alternative consent mechanism (if the assembly has collapsed due to Unionist refusal to nominate either First or deputy First Minister) is for the secretary of state to instruct the speaker of the assembly to recall the assembly and have the vote.TheBigBean said:They can still collapse the assembly though can't they? And I think the UK government said at the time the WA agreement was agreed, they would then consider a referendum.
This is the process that's in the legislation0 -
Cummings on NI
Not surprising, but still
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Institute for Government seems to think absent an Assembly,the default is for the Protocol to stayTheBigBean said:
Yes, I did some further reading. At the time there was talk of a referendum being an alternative. It seems that all bets are off if there is direct rule though.tailwindhome said:
Missed this earlierTheBigBean said:
Sure, but why would he or she do that? Or are you saying the referendum simply can't happen?tailwindhome said:
The alternative consent mechanism (if the assembly has collapsed due to Unionist refusal to nominate either First or deputy First Minister) is for the secretary of state to instruct the speaker of the assembly to recall the assembly and have the vote.TheBigBean said:They can still collapse the assembly though can't they? And I think the UK government said at the time the WA agreement was agreed, they would then consider a referendum.
This is the process that's in the legislation
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I suppose, having done a Prince Andrew (the interview), he has to try to brazen it out and act like he achieved something.rick_chasey said:lol low priority issue. FFS. He is literally old enough to know better.
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Round here by the way, pretty much all the cafes are working on reduced hours due to staff shortages.
I know a few of the owners - i asked if it was rona and apaz it's mainly brexit. They're spitting feathers0 -
I do admire the valiant efforts of the die-hards to keep the glowing embers of this thread from going out."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Brexit all done and dusted is it? No aftershocks? Coolio Inglesias.0
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The issue of Brexit and it's ramifications is still clearly on going, hence things still to discuss.Stevo_666 said:I do admire the valiant efforts of the die-hards to keep the glowing embers of this thread from going out.
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Stevo carefully ignores the fact that the reason for Brexit was that our membership of the EU was scrutinised and debated for forty years. This thread is merely part of the ongoing debate... here's to the next forty years...0
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Now in fairness to Brexiteers this was argued as one of the benefits.rick_chasey said:Round here by the way, pretty much all the cafes are working on reduced hours due to staff shortages.
I know a few of the owners - i asked if it was rona and apaz it's mainly brexit. They're spitting feathers
This will be a real life test of your lump of labour fallacy.0 -
Then they need to offer decent pay and conditions that will encourage former shop workers into the game.rick_chasey said:Round here by the way, pretty much all the cafes are working on reduced hours due to staff shortages.
I know a few of the owners - i asked if it was rona and apaz it's mainly brexit. They're spitting feathers0 -
As I said, admirable.briantrumpet said:Stevo carefully ignores the fact that the reason for Brexit was that our membership of the EU was scrutinised and debated for forty years. This thread is merely part of the ongoing debate... here's to the next forty years...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Whilst the lump of labour is a fallacy due to it not being a closed system, the equally false presumption by those simply dismissing it is that there is infinite capacity for work and workers.surrey_commuter said:
Now in fairness to Brexiteers this was argued as one of the benefits.rick_chasey said:Round here by the way, pretty much all the cafes are working on reduced hours due to staff shortages.
I know a few of the owners - i asked if it was rona and apaz it's mainly brexit. They're spitting feathers
This will be a real life test of your lump of labour fallacy.
As ever, truth is in the middle.
Cafe owners need to charge and pay more. Easier said than done.0 -
Everyone happy that their cafe bill will go up 25%*?
*Random figure.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It’s really annoying as we’d just got into a really nice habit of going to our local Italian place just after lunch with the little one to grab a nice coffee or ice cream. She loves it. It breaks up what can be a very long afternoon.surrey_commuter said:
Now in fairness to Brexiteers this was argued as one of the benefits.rick_chasey said:Round here by the way, pretty much all the cafes are working on reduced hours due to staff shortages.
I know a few of the owners - i asked if it was rona and apaz it's mainly brexit. They're spitting feathers
This will be a real life test of your lump of labour fallacy.
Now they shut for any time after 2pm and are back open at 7pm for dinner.
If we’re talking economy, that’s a regular £13-15 missing or so just from me.0 -
As you can see from my contributions to this thread, I definitely did take an interest even if we rarely agreed. It also formed a material part of my job for a few years.rick_chasey said:Stevo are you not interested in the consequences of Brexit?
However from my point of view now it does not have a material impact on me professionally or personally, nor does it appear to be a major issue for this country any longer. You may well disagree with that last bit but that's my view. There are bigger fish to fry (no pun intended) so my interest has waned, as it has for most people.
To me it seems that 'taking an interest' is now more closely linked to people who still want to say 'I told you so' or who still cling to the hope that we can go back to the way it was."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
