Tiagra 4700

JC14
JC14 Posts: 29
edited April 2016 in Road general
Will it feel the same as 105 5800 and ultegra 6800. Just in 10 speed?
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  • NeXXus
    NeXXus Posts: 854
    Nope
    And the people bowed and prayed, to the neon god they made.
  • feisty
    feisty Posts: 161
    I have 105 on one of my bikes (a summer bike) and Tiagra on the other (a winter bike).

    On both systems I needed the gears re-indexing after 150km or so (as is standard due to cable stretch)

    From that point on I can't say I notice any difference between the two in shifting performance. Both have been excellent.

    I guess it depends on how "refined a rider" you are. Some people maybe notice subtle improvements in performance that I don't. There is a weight difference I think but that's irrelevant on my winter bike as it also has mudguards, a rack and is used for commuting with panniers
  • buckmulligan
    buckmulligan Posts: 1,031
    You can't help but feel Shimano's product line is rather congested these days and I fully expect this to be better than my 105 5700 groupset.

    That said, in my opinion the differences are small and incremental from Tiagra upwards these days, so I don't think I'll be upgrading until there's some decent progression such as hydraulic discs
  • Scoob84
    Scoob84 Posts: 76
    I expect many of these Tiagra 4700 components to be better than or equal to the 105 5700 10 speed components.
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,291
    At least you don't get sneering looks when your bike says 105 on it.
    Advocate of disc brakes.
  • raisinberry777
    raisinberry777 Posts: 141
    Scoob84 wrote:
    I expect many of these Tiagra 4700 components to be better than or equal to the 105 5700 10 speed components.

    Well, the shifter, crank, FD and RD designs seem to have been taken straight from 5800, so you get the great shifting there. Pity the great brake pads of 5800 didn't come down to Tiagra, but at least they're easily replaceable.
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    feisty wrote:
    On both systems I needed the gears re-indexing after 150km or so (as is standard due to cable stretch)

    I wouldnt say that is standard, for some that would mean re-indexing mid ride. I can get 1000s of miles out of mine with no tinkering required.
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  • feisty
    feisty Posts: 161
    OK. Well maybe it wasn't set up right to begin with

    But either way, after it was tinkered with post the first week's worth of riding, I have cycled 5000km+ on each with no further tinkering required
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    ah, sorry, I thought you meant it needed re-indexing every 150km, I misread it!
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  • JC14
    JC14 Posts: 29
    Ah thanks!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    I hope everyone that says (and love saying) they notice no difference in groupsets has tried 5800/6800.
    Very very different brakes and gears from Tiagre/5700/6700 IMO.

    Looks like Tiagra has grown up a lot. Lost the silly indicator window, has clean cabling and sexy levers.
    I never liked Tiagra but genuinely hope its now as good as it should be for 105's underling.

    It was pretty pointless before IMO but now that its improved yet still a much bigger gap between it and 105 it makes complete sense.

    What are people that swear by cables sprouting out of hoods going to do? 9 speed Sora?
  • gaffer_slow
    gaffer_slow Posts: 417
    Carbonator wrote:
    What are people that swear by cables sprouting out of hoods going to do? 9 speed Sora?

    http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/arti ... ing-46508/
    New Sora .....The integrated shifters/brake levers for drop handlebars get internal cable routing

    aaaaahhhhhhhh
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    gaffer_slow wrote:
    Carbonator wrote:
    What are people that swear by cables sprouting out of hoods going to do? 9 speed Sora?

    http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/arti ... ing-46508/
    New Sora .....The integrated shifters/brake levers for drop handlebars get internal cable routing

    aaaaahhhhhhhh

    Poor sods are going to have to go 8 speed Claris then, but at this rate I would go straight to 7 speed Tourney and be done :lol:

    Those car accessory shops that sell bikes will be sitting on goldmine soon!
  • mugensi
    mugensi Posts: 559
    Tiagra 4700 is much nicer than 105 5700 which is just horrible in my experience. The FD shifting on 5700 is crude and agricultural. Changing from big to small ring was horrible, it was so clunky and loud, changing up to the big ring took considerably more effort and was just nasty IME. The brakes were ok but nothing spectacular and weren't effective as the BR450's on my winter bike. I have since upgraded the bike to 6800 which is sublime in comparison to 5700.

    My mate has 4700 on his winter bike and I borrowed it for a 50km spin a few weeks ago and couldn't get over how smooth 4700 is compared to 5700. Its not as nice as 6800 but its very very good for what it is. FD shifting is nice and light and RD shifting is equally as smooth. The brakes seemed pretty good but it was very wet and so there was no big speeds or hard braking during the spin. I couldnt fault it in the slightest.

    I'm changing my winter bike next January (bike to work scheme comes around again) and was intending to go for an alloy Synapse Disc with 5800 but will now go for 4700 and use the money saved to upgrade the stock wheels to something a little lighter.
  • ayjaycee
    ayjaycee Posts: 1,277
    homers double wrote:
    At least you don't get sneering looks when your bike says 105 on it.
    That probably says more about the tosser that does the sneering rather than the quality of Tiagra. 4600 works just fine but is not the prettiest in the range.
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  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,291
    Coming from MTB there is very little in the way of looking down on folk however I turned up to a chain gang with a mate and felt quite out of place.

    Mind you I was a bit on the large size riding a basic bike but it's getting on it that counts.
    Advocate of disc brakes.
  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    Nowt wrong with Tiagra or Sora.
    I have used both and whilst they may not be the prettiest they do the job they are supposed to pretty darn well.

    If anyone does mark a sarcy comment then the best response is to drop them on the ride!
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,291
    That wasn't going to happen on that day, trust me...
    Advocate of disc brakes.
  • MisterMuncher
    MisterMuncher Posts: 1,302
    The 7900/6700/5700 generation of Shimano wasn't quite as good as it could have been. Shifting quality and lever feel was sacrificed vs the previous generation for prettier cabling. No-one really prefers the Shimano clothes-line groupsets for any other reason. The current gen knocks both into a cocked hat.

    4600 was a nice shifting group and very easy to set up, especially compared to the supposedly better 5700. It did need a fair bit of tweaking to keep it perfect, though.
  • alan_sherman
    alan_sherman Posts: 1,157
    Anyone know if the new sora derailleur is the same cable pull as the latest generation of shimano or still backwards compatible? I suspect it is not backwards compatible as the new generation shifters pull more cable which makes them less susceptible to cable issues (such as routing under the bar tape!).

    I think this is all a good thing BTW - and hearing that Tiagra 4700 works well is good news to me as I think my next bike will get a tiagra triple groupset with discs. i love the idea of a 39 ring but also having low gears!
  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    redvision wrote:
    Nowt wrong with Tiagra or Sora.
    I have used both and whilst they may not be the prettiest they do the job they are supposed to pretty darn well.

    If anyone does mark a sarcy comment then the best response is to drop them on the ride!

    Double hard man!
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    alan sherman wrote:
    Anyone know if the new sora derailleur is the same cable pull as the latest generation of shimano or still backwards compatible? I suspect it is not backwards compatible as the new generation shifters pull more cable which makes them less susceptible to cable issues (such as routing under the bar tape!).

    I think this is all a good thing BTW - and hearing that Tiagra 4700 works well is good news to me as I think my next bike will get a tiagra triple groupset with discs. i love the idea of a 39 ring but also having low gears!

    The new Sora FD looks to have the longer arm like 4700 / 5800 / 6800 etc, so it's possible they have changed the pull ratio for the rear too as you suggest.

    Both Sora and Tiagra are looking like good choices for a winter bike now with the better front shift and hidden cables making the bars a better place for lights.
  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    Yes the new Sora does use the 5800/6800/4700 pull ratio.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    JC14 wrote:
    Will it feel the same as 105 5800 and ultegra 6800. Just in 10 speed?

    Yes, it will!

    Have a poo before you ride, or only half fill a water bottle and you will have the ride of Ultegra 6800 at a fraction of the cost ;-)

    You can then sneer at anyone with that silly real Ultegra as you pass them.

    I am not sure why Shimano have done this.
    Maybe it's something to do with human rights laws.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    redvision wrote:
    Nowt wrong with Tiagra or Sora.
    I have used both and whilst they may not be the prettiest they do the job they are supposed to pretty darn well.

    If anyone does mark a sarcy comment then the best response is to drop them on the ride!

    Is there 'Owt' wrong with Claris or Tourney? Do they do the job they are supposed to?

    Are Tiagra and Sora as good as 105, Ultegra and DA?

    Have you actually ever heard anyone out on a ride make a sarcy/nasty comment about someones groupset?

    Why do you assume everyone with a lower groupset can drop everyone with a better one?

    Isn't physical muscle flexing just as sad as wallet/cash flapping?

    Nowt as queer as folk 8)
  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    People who sneer at people with better group sets then them are worse than the ones who look down on group sets...jealously is an ugly colour...
  • mcstumpy
    mcstumpy Posts: 298
    I have 4600. My brother has 105 11 speed and I tried his bike for first time recently. His brakes only needed a light touch to apply, my 4600 a much firmer push or pull. Is this normal or does it suggest my brake set up needs some work?
  • dave35
    dave35 Posts: 1,124
    Agree with 105 5700 front mech being noisy when changing down, I'm using 5700 10 speed but building a new all rounder and thinking about Tiagra 4700-is it much better than the 5700 105 I'm using? Or same as.
  • Semantik
    Semantik Posts: 537
    dave35 wrote:
    Agree with 105 5700 front mech being noisy when changing down, I'm using 5700 10 speed but building a new all rounder and thinking about Tiagra 4700-is it much better than the 5700 105 I'm using? Or same as.

    Don't know about the shifting but the brakes will be inferior to 5700
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,223
    dave35 wrote:
    Agree with 105 5700 front mech being noisy when changing down, I'm using 5700 10 speed but building a new all rounder and thinking about Tiagra 4700-is it much better than the 5700 105 I'm using? Or same as.

    Hasn't 4700 has been redesigned in line with the 5800/6800 so will more than likely be an improvement over 5700. If you do decide to give it a try on your build let us know how it compares.

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