Futuristic Orange

rockmonkeysc
rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
edited January 2015 in MTB general
Futuristic by Orange's standards but designed in 2003. Looks quite interesting but they obviously decided not to go in to production with it.
http://www.wearecero.com/es/project/orange-prototype



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  • bennett_346
    bennett_346 Posts: 5,029
    Have fun trying to work out how that one actuates.
  • paul.skibum
    paul.skibum Posts: 4,068
    bennett_346 wrote:
    Have fun trying to work out how that one actuates.

    Quite! It pivots around the BB but what happens with all the other points?
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    I think there is something hidden.
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  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    Bleurgh. Looks like a DDG Slammer.
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  • Penylope
    Penylope Posts: 320
    Don't think it does pivot around the BB, I recon the pivot is the front/high gold one. Would put it in line with the middle ring ish. The gold bars look like tie rods that the rocker pivots on, to push the shock down.
    Looks odd but definitely low C of G!
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    It's CGI so it doesn't have to work.
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  • poah
    poah Posts: 3,369
    looks like a linkage driven single pivot. overly complex with the same bland frame design though.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    Angus Young wrote:
    It's CGI so it doesn't have to work.

    3d CAD, not CGI.
    It has to pivot around the gold bolt but I'm sure something is hidden.
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    Angus Young wrote:
    It's CGI so it doesn't have to work.

    3d CAD, not CGI.
    It has to pivot around the gold bolt but I'm sure something is hidden.

    The renderings are CGI. They might (likely), or might not, originate from CAD files but that level of finish qualifies them as CGI - i.e. at the point they were churning out these images they were more concerned with look and finish than with engineering integrity.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    I use 3d CAD every day. That sort of image quality is very simple to produce. I can get much more photo realistic than that using the Solidworks rendering studio, right down to machining marks in the surface and better lighting.
    To get from a simple CAD model to those images would take me five minutes
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    I use 3d CAD every day. That sort of image quality is very simple to produce. I can get much more photo realistic than that using the Solidworks rendering studio, right down to machining marks in the surface and better lighting.
    To get from a simple CAD model to those images would take me five minutes

    And at the point where your focus falls on look and feel rather than engineering, you're doing CGI. Clue's in the name. It's what I do for a living.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    As far as I'm concerned, if its done in CAD software then it's CAD.
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    That's the bit before you start worrying about lighting and DOF.
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  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    Excellent. An argument over a non existent bike, and an Orange at that.

    Crudworthy.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    No arguments over the Orange. Just whether it's CGI or CAD images
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    Was that an argument, then?
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    It's very easy to get CAD images rendered to look like 'CGI', with colours and surface finishers etc so that it looks like it's made of metal. Done it myself a few times for presentations.
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    The Rookie wrote:
    It's very easy to get CAD images rendered to look like 'CGI', with colours and surface finishers etc so that it looks like it's made of metal. Done it myself a few times for presentations.

    And once you're doing that it doesn't 'look' like CGI, it is CGI.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    The Rookie wrote:
    It's very easy to get CAD images rendered to look like 'CGI', with colours and surface finishers etc so that it looks like it's made of metal. Done it myself a few times for presentations.

    I find it a useful tool for impressing customers who understand c0ck all about the engineering of a machine.
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  • bob6397
    bob6397 Posts: 218
    Surely the images come from Computer Aided Design (CAD) software, as Computer Generated Images (CGI) ?

    IE: They are both :)

    Something "looking like" CGI is irrelevant- that just depends on the quality of the render...
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    Computer Aided Design, Computer Generated Imagery. Clue's in the names.
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  • Herdwick
    Herdwick Posts: 523
    Back to the topic,
    looks like an overcomplicated linkage driven, multi variable and non linear compression rate, S shaped axle path single pivot system.

    .... the main advantage of the SP system is staying simple, allmost maintenance free and while being stiff and light :?

    go figure...
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Lots of single pivot use a linkage driven shock, some are reasonably complicated, while the orange looks complicated it's hard to be sure exactly how complicated it is, as an indication mine has 3 pairs of symmetrical pivots to drive the shock from the top of the swing arm but doesn't manage to look complicated.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    It looks more simple than the single pivot on my Nukeproof Scalp.
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  • oodboo
    oodboo Posts: 2,171
    CGI = computer generate image

    So it's CGI whether it came from CAD or not doesn't matter.

    Anyway, it's an Orange. It looks like a 3d jigsaw made of girders. Obviously wont go into production (even though it was designed 11/12 years ago) Orange don't make bikes with that many links.
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    oodboo wrote:
    CGI = computer generate image

    So it's CGI whether it came from CAD or not doesn't matter.

    ^ That's it.
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  • fridgehq
    fridgehq Posts: 54
    Dread to think how much that would have cost!!!!!!
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Probably couldn't have welded it accurately enough for the linkage to work!

    'More simple'? Standards really are slipping!
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  • gt-arrowhead
    gt-arrowhead Posts: 2,507
    Dont know much about FS bikes, but is it more or does that frame look like it wouldn't be pretty stiff longitudinally?
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    Longitudinally or do you mean laterally?
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