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A pencil?Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:Tangled Metal wrote:IIRC one argument I heard recently for these space exploits was that without this sort of exploration you would not have GPS and a lot of other tech. That is a bit spurious isn;t it? I mean how long have we managed without GPS and teflon? What about those cooks and chefs on TV who teach you to use cast iron griddles for searing meat. IMHO a nice steak is not harmed by using a cast iron griddle rather than a teflon coated one.
Also what has sending expensive sh1t all that way to take photos of a distant planet that is not really inhabitable got to do with furthering ourselves? We have no choice in planet to live on, sort this one out first. BTW anyone wonder what can evolve in the time it takes for this planet to become inhabitable? Will we even be here as a species? Will we be anywhere?
You forgot the pen that writes upside down?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Pen that writes upside down?! That is class waste of time for most people. So far I have never needed to write upside down. I turn the paper around. At most I write on a wall but normal pens work what a wonderful pointless argument for space exploration...it resulted in the development of a pen that was only needed for use in zero gravity. Argument won I think!!!0
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Tangled Metal wrote:Pen that writes upside down?! That is class waste of time for most people. So far I have never needed to write upside down. I turn the paper around. At most I write on a wall but normal pens work what a wonderful pointless argument for space exploration...it resulted in the development of a pen that was only needed for use in zero gravity. Argument won I think!!!
Hook, line & sinker
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Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:Tangled Metal wrote:Pen that writes upside down?! That is class waste of time for most people. So far I have never needed to write upside down. I turn the paper around. At most I write on a wall but normal pens work what a wonderful pointless argument for space exploration...it resulted in the development of a pen that was only needed for use in zero gravity. Argument won I think!!!
Hook, line & sinker
Yep! Someone had to fall for it.
Pen developed on Earth outside of the space program of course and only marketed as such by those pointless gadget brochures that you got in weekend papers with the title "Innovation" alongside those useless plasma balls that you lose interest with after a couple of minutes. Not that I ever bought anything from those catalogues. What has happened to them now BTW? I don't get papers so don't know if they still give these out. I only read online (better for the environment I think than paper news).
BTW Was teflon really a space development? What can be directly attributed to space exploration? The rocketry was from Terrestrial weapon development. The satellite technology I suppose but the solar or the reactor tech in them is Earth developed for other things originally only adapted or space use. The GPS tech was based on WWII ground based radio technology only applied to the Space environment through use of space vehicles or satellites. I suppose all tech is just the application of existing science so I guess the Space fans can claim whatever they like for the tech used in space.
I just wonder what the scientific benefit is of an antfarm in space? I think I read once in New Scientist or some newspaper science page about NASA taking an ant farm into space to see how they behaved.
I suppose the Western countries can afford to spend money on these escapades of vanity? What about India and Pakistan based Space programs? With poverty there is it really ethical to be spending on space? The Americans are leading by example in not sorting out terrestrial problems in favour of national vanity. I guess you can tell I have no interest in space.0 -
pinarello001 wrote:Akirasho wrote:pinarello001 wrote:The title of the thread suggests that it is America vs The rest of the dissenting world?
... well, duh!
It is interesting...
While it's not an easy sell by today's standards, the truth is, in the distant future, humans will have to leave this rock or simply die when the sun goes red giant. Our descendants might appreciate that we didn't wait until the last minute (which is what we almost always do).
Deep space is our inevitable future (and I mean a few stars over deep).
According to popular astro-physics, in approximately 5 billion years.
Humans have probably less than 1000 years on this planet at the current rate of consumption/climate alteration*/resource depletion/polution/disease...
On a philosophical level, we are no longer living in symbiosis with our environment. We have become parasites, except that intelligent parasitical organisms don't kill their host. Why on earth (no pun intended) should mankind move en masse to wreck another planet? It is much better that the species called man dies out on this one.
*I am not a total convert to climate change but we should take the precautionary principal.
No other organism on this planet has any care for the environment it lives in. In that respect we are no different to any other organism. Where we are different is our ability to overcome limitations and therefore continue our impact. We also have a conscience which might be the only thing that can save us.0 -
Greed will overcome conscience always.earth wrote:No other organism on this planet has any care for the environment it lives in. In that respect we are no different to any other organism. Where we are different is our ability to overcome limitations and therefore continue our impact. We also have a conscience which might be the only thing that can save us.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No way!!!!!!pinarello001 wrote:
I always thought history was made up stories and stuff.
Like the Bible.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Teflon breaks down and is toxic don't eat food cooked in old Teflon pans, tested on humans though, so fine carry on
my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
pinarello001 wrote:
I was thinking more about medical technology, etc.0 -
team47b wrote:Teflon breaks down and is toxic don't eat food cooked in old Teflon pans, tested on humans though, so fine carry on
...and here was me thinking that you would have expressed a deeply philosophical sentiment about space exploration. :roll:seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
... we still need a way to escape the planet when the zombie vampire cannibal apocalypse comes...0
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pinarello001 wrote:team47b wrote:Teflon breaks down and is toxic don't eat food cooked in old Teflon pans, tested on humans though, so fine carry on
...and here was me thinking that you would have expressed a deeply philosophical sentiment about space exploration. :roll:
Oh alright then :roll:
Intelligence has adaptive value, science is not only a product of intelligence it is also a means by which intelligence conceives of the universe. Science should be expected to have adaptive value as well for example the relationship between theoretical achievement and realization of opportunity. Not all our faculties were selected for their present uses. The selective forces had long done their job before humans thought of rockets.
Better?my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
team47b wrote:pinarello001 wrote:team47b wrote:Teflon breaks down and is toxic don't eat food cooked in old Teflon pans, tested on humans though, so fine carry on
...and here was me thinking that you would have expressed a deeply philosophical sentiment about space exploration. :roll:
Oh alright then :roll:
Intelligence has adaptive value, science is not only a product of intelligence it is also a means by which intelligence conceives of the universe. Science should be expected to have adaptive value as well for example the relationship between theoretical achievement and realization of opportunity. Not all our faculties were selected for their present uses. The selective forces had long done their job before humans thought of rockets.
Better?
Yep, top drawer - will be chewing that one over for a while. All I can say to that is that the Tigers of Wrath are wiser than the horses of destruction and I will refer to an old Arabic expression: 'When the moon winks, the vulture flies sideways'*.
*Unfortunately, it looses a bit in translation.
Does this mean that there must be an acknowledgement of the fact that mankind is no more intelligent than it was in Plato's time, only that we are benefiting from the accumulation of scientific knowledge and thereby fooling ourselves into thinking that our current scientific trajectory is somehow justified, reasoned and appropriate?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
pinarello001 wrote:team47b wrote:pinarello001 wrote:team47b wrote:Teflon breaks down and is toxic don't eat food cooked in old Teflon pans, tested on humans though, so fine carry on
...and here was me thinking that you would have expressed a deeply philosophical sentiment about space exploration. :roll:
Oh alright then :roll:
Intelligence has adaptive value, science is not only a product of intelligence it is also a means by which intelligence conceives of the universe. Science should be expected to have adaptive value as well for example the relationship between theoretical achievement and realization of opportunity. Not all our faculties were selected for their present uses. The selective forces had long done their job before humans thought of rockets.
Better?
Yep, top drawer - will be chewing that one over for a while. All I can say to that is that the Tigers of Wrath are wiser than the horses of destruction and I will refer to an old Arabic expression: 'When the moon winks, the vulture flies sideways'*.
*Unfortunately, it looses a bit in translation.
Does this mean that there must be an acknowledgement of the fact that mankind is no more intelligent than it was in Plato's time, only that we are benefiting from the accumulation of scientific knowledge and thereby fooling ourselves into thinking that our current scientific trajectory is somehow justified, reasoned and appropriate?
That is exactly what I meant
Everything we will ever need has already been invented.
Need is the key word there my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
Chris Hadfield was on Radio 5 Live earlier in the week from an event at the worlds first railway station in Manchester (now a science/tech museum). He is one of those people you could listen to for hours. He talked intelligently but in laymans terms about space, technology and exploration. He said 'we should think about the fact that the wooden beams used to build the station in 1830s were hand cut and that was only 2 long lifetimes ago and now we have a permanently manned space station.
It is our curiosity that will drive us to explore our solar system and beyond. Technology just needs to catch up, and it always does.'Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
If it's going to happen so far in the future who gives a toss? I say let someone else worry about it.cyd190468 wrote:
1) Irrespective of Man's future behaviour there will come a time where the Earth will no longer sustain life. Hopefully not for a few million years or so but it is definitely happening so lets start preparing. The sun's energy output is gradually increasing so the surface temperature of earth will make it uninhabitable within the next 500 million years and there is nothing we can do about it.pinarello001 wrote:Mars is miles and miles away.
It's inhospitable.
With the current technology, it is a 3 year round trip, for a human bean, psychologically and physically improbable.
The mission will cost £12bn - you spend it on...conservation? A fledgling health service ? Fixing the evident racial divide? Inequality? Stopping companies cutting down pristine rain forest for Palm oil/soya beans/agriculture...
How deluded man is when he thinks that he can 'conquer space'? Or put people on another planet? There isn't another planet like ours for millions of light years and this one could be absolutely perfect if it wasn't for the few who want to do expensive, daft, greedy, pointless things to boost a an underlying inferiority complex.
2) The nearest habitable planet is currently 13 light years away, but new planets are being discovered at an ever increasing rate as technology improves. We haven't been able to detect small planets at the right distance for very long.Ecrasez l’infame0
