Take THAT PUTIN, ISIS & Kim Jong UNNNNNN

Akirasho

.... we're back Baby... well, sorta...

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/12/ ... elta-iv-h/

pblakeney

Is it going to crash on their premises?

arran77

PBlakeney wrote:

Is it going to crash on their premises?

That would probably be the best use it could be put to

RideOnTime

add little bit of...

capt_slog

Nice to see them doing something again.

I followed the Apollo missions as a youngster, and it was always a thrill to see those great big SaturnV rockets pass gantry cameras.

FishFish

Capt Slog wrote:

Nice to see them doing something again.

big SaturnV rockets pass gantry cameras.

Really - I thought they were inanimate.

FishFish

PBlakeney wrote:

Is it going to crash on their premises?

you are thinking of Richard Branson's one.

pblakeney

FishFish wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Is it going to crash on their premises?

you are thinking of Richard Branson's one.

No.
I simply cannot of any other way that ISIS would give a flying.....

pinno

Mars is miles and miles away.
It's inhospitable.
With the current technology, it is a 3 year round trip, for a human bean, psychologically and physically improbable.
The mission will cost £12bn - you spend it on...conservation? A fledgling health service ? Fixing the evident racial divide? Inequality? Stopping companies cutting down pristine rain forest for Palm oil/soya beans/agriculture...

How deluded man is when he thinks that he can 'conquer space'? Or put people on another planet? There isn't another planet like ours for millions of light years and this one could be absolutely perfect if it wasn't for the few who want to do expensive, daft, greedy, pointless things to boost a an underlying inferiority complex.

mr_goo

pinarello001 wrote:

Mars is miles and miles away.
It's inhospitable.
With the current technology, it is a 3 year round trip, for a human bean, psychologically and physically improbable.
The mission will cost £12bn - you spend it on...conservation? A fledgling health service ? Fixing the evident racial divide? Inequality? Stopping companies cutting down pristine rain forest for Palm oil/soya beans/agriculture...

How deluded man is when he thinks that he can 'conquer space'? Or put people on another planet? There isn't another planet like ours for millions of light years and this one could be absolutely perfect if it wasn't for the few who want to do expensive, daft, greedy, pointless things to boost a an underlying inferiority complex.

I think that the purpose of man (& woman) is to explore. We have pretty much done our own home planet, and in times when technology was extremely basic. Next step the planets. Then beyond the solar system. In centuries to come technology will enable us to do this. We need to progress to Type 1 or Type 2 civilisation before we can do this. May take a long long time. But it'll happen.......
Unless.....

finchy

Finished exploring our own planet? No, nowhere near.

I think the problem with setting up permanent colonies on other planets will be keeping people sane. They're going to be cooped up inside a tiny space, no vegetation or liquid water to look at, probably unable to get natural sunlight... they'll end up killing each other. Which will make for fantastic TV.

pblakeney

If I get this right....

Now that we have ruined this planet, the plan is to ruin others?

What a wonderful species. What a depressing thought.

pinno

The title of the thread suggests that it is America vs The rest of the dissenting world?

city_boy

johnfinch wrote:

They're going to be cooped up inside a tiny space, no vegetation or liquid water to look at, probably unable to get natural sunlight... they'll end up killing each other. Which will make for fantastic TV.

You mean like a Wetherspoons?

Akirasho

pinarello001 wrote:

The title of the thread suggests that it is America vs The rest of the dissenting world?

... well, duh!

It is interesting to note the scope of the American manned space program in it's heyday. It's unclear if we (or an international consortium) will see the likes of such in our lifetimes. Indeed, the bittersweet aspects of Orion is that is was about as close to starting from scratch as possible (most of the data for the Apollo/Saturn 5 are fundamentally "lost" inasmuch as said data is/was stored on media (tape) that is no longer accessible (at least not easily or practically. And, there have been a bazillion improvements on the tech front (your cell phone has gads more computing power than the Eagle lunar module that first set humankind on another heavenly body)).

While it's not an easy sell by today's standards, the truth is, in the distant future, humans will have to leave this rock or simply die when the sun goes red giant. Our descendants might appreciate that we didn't wait until the last minute (which is what we almost always do).

Deep space is our inevitable future (and I mean a few stars over deep).

bianchimoon

Akirasho wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

The title of the thread suggests that it is America vs The rest of the dissenting world?

... well, duh!

It is interesting to note the scope of the American manned space program in it's heyday. It's unclear if we (or an international consortium) will see the likes of such in our lifetimes. Indeed, the bittersweet aspects of Orion is that is was about as close to starting from scratch as possible (most of the data for the Apollo/Saturn 5 are fundamentally "lost" inasmuch as said data is/was stored on media (tape) that is no longer accessible (at least not easily or practically. And, there have been a bazillion improvements on the tech front (your cell phone has gads more computing power than the Eagle lunar module that first set humankind on another heavenly body)).

While it's not an easy sell by today's standards, the truth is, in the distant future, humans will have to leave this rock or simply die when the sun goes red giant. Our descendants might appreciate that we didn't wait until the last minute (which is what we almost always do).

Deep space is our inevitable future (and I mean a few stars over deep).

America may have paid for those early missions, but the brains behind it all were mainly European/German weren't they? Agree though that we have to reach out and explore/learn/evolve.

Akirasho

pinarello001 wrote:

America may have paid for those early missions, but the brains behind it all were mainly European/German weren't they?

What wait, huh???

http://youtu.be/A9ihKq34Ozc

Von Braun was, ummm, cleared of any suspicions! Most developed countries from the 20's on, had some concept of rocketry (in particular, liquid fueled) but admittedly, the Second World War lit a fire (and the Germans seemed to have been on the front burner).

America specialized on finesse (Sputnik required an ICBM booster whereas Explorer was launched with a sounding rocket (granted, their orbits and missions were different) until the Saturn V era (when brute force (shades of Germany) crept in).

We're back on finesse! YAY!

pinno

Akirasho wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

The title of the thread suggests that it is America vs The rest of the dissenting world?

... well, duh!

It is interesting...

While it's not an easy sell by today's standards, the truth is, in the distant future, humans will have to leave this rock or simply die when the sun goes red giant. Our descendants might appreciate that we didn't wait until the last minute (which is what we almost always do).

Deep space is our inevitable future (and I mean a few stars over deep).

According to popular astro-physics, in approximately 5 billion years.

Humans have probably less than 1000 years on this planet at the current rate of consumption/climate alteration*/resource depletion/polution/disease...

On a philosophical level, we are no longer living in symbiosis with our environment. We have become parasites, except that intelligent parasitical organisms don't kill their host. Why on earth (no pun intended) should mankind move en masse to wreck another planet? It is much better that the species called man dies out on this one.

*I am not a total convert to climate change but we should take the precautionary principal.

arthur_scrimshaw

Ah yes it may be a waste of time from one point of view as indeed were the Moon missions, but the technology that evolved to enable these missions has affected all of our lives, some actually for the better. The technology needed to do the Mars thang will be on another level again.

pinno

Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:

Ah yes it may be a waste of time from one point of view as indeed were the Moon missions, but the technology that evolved to enable these missions has affected all of our lives, some actually for the better. The technology needed to do the Mars thang will be on another level again.

The technology to do what, exactly ?

Will it be technology that grows Amazonian hardwoods 100 ft tall in 2 years flat? The technology that stops the decimation of wildlife of the Tiger, Rhino, the dwindling habitat for the Orang-utan and Elephant poaching? The technology to breed captive deep water fish and plankton which is being harvested at an alarming rate in the southern seas by massive vessels just to satisfy our growing appetite for red meat? The technology to retrieve the millions of barrels of toxic waste dumped in our seas? In fact, all the technology that will solve the worlds resource problems or just simply get a better picture on your TV?
If you can say yes to any of these things without saying, we could have spent the money on the problems/research directly, then maybe I won't consider it futile.

mamba80

pinarello001 wrote:

[According to popular astro-physics, in approximately 5 billion years.

Humans have probably less than 1000 years on this planet at the current rate of consumption/climate alteration*/resource depletion/polution/disease...

On a philosophical level, we are no longer living in symbiosis with our environment. We have become parasites, except that intelligent parasitical organisms don't kill their host. Why on earth (no pun intended) should mankind move en masse to wreck another planet? It is much better that the species called man dies out on this one.

*I am not a total convert to climate change but we should take the precautionary principal.

well I am! I used to go out with a Swedish climate scientist and according to her, she is glad she hasn't got kids, she used to talk about a climate flip and given the population changes in the last 1000 years, I would think we ve got far less than a 1000years
I completely agree with you Pina, this sort of waste of resources and effort is futile, we can do nothing to alter the course of a Typhoon, stop rising sea levels or coastal erosion, let alone come up with a workable plan to limit CO2 emissions.
even if by some remote possibility there was the means to travel to a planet billions of light years away where humans could start again, do you think the likes of us would be chosen to go? it would nt matter a jot to the billions left behind, we need to keep our planet safe, not p155 in the wind day dreaming.
Missions like these are to satisfy mans vanity and very little else, so what if I have a non stick pan? im sure I could manage without one.

pinno

^ That's odd. I went out with a Swedish Lawyer. Jag måste säga Hej oc...let me see now, oh yes - jag har en Papagoja som talar*.

*Er... that's one of the things I remembered from my 'Svenska Grammatik booken'.

finchy

You can do a lot of environmental monitoring from space.

pinno

johnfinch wrote:

You can do a lot of environmental monitoring from space.

Don't you think Mars is a bit far away? Or are you playing devil's advocate?

In any case, you're talking about satellites for a specific purpose, not silly ego trips to far off planets.

finchy

What I'm saying is that some of the technology being developed to get us to Mars might be put to use in other space missions.

mamba80

pinarello001 wrote:

^ That's odd. I went out with a Swedish Lawyer. Jag måste säga Hej oc...let me see now, oh yes - jag har en Papagoja som talar*.

*Er... that's one of the things I remembered from my 'Svenska Grammatik booken'.

it would be really odd if you said you went out with Swedish climate scientist, who used to go out with a tech from London.... funnily enough I sure she went on to study law....

Don't you miss those 2nd free coffees and great cakes? tack så mycket was my limit

jawooga

Can you two stop bragging about going out with Swedish girls. It's making me jealous!

pblakeney

jawooga wrote:

Can you two stop bragging about going out with Swedish girls. It's making me jealous!

I met a Swedish girl in Mallorca. She was fun.

tangled_metal

I used to go to Sweden on business but my boss was a football fan so we always seemed to end up in a Boston style sports bar tucked into a corner with Liverpool playing. Never got to meet any Swedish girls only two Swedish Brother who were major Liverpool fans with the boring spiel to go with it. Food was good and the beer too which being on expenses with a table service meant I managed to get through a whole football match. I didn't through much else after thatn though and still can't remember how I got back to the hotel. I do remember Gothenberg seemed a really great place to live. The lasses there were quite tasty, not as much obesity as the UK. If being that shallow is wrong I apologise.

tangled_metal

IIRC one argument I heard recently for these space exploits was that without this sort of exploration you would not have GPS and a lot of other tech. That is a bit spurious isn;t it? I mean how long have we managed without GPS and teflon? What about those cooks and chefs on TV who teach you to use cast iron griddles for searing meat. IMHO a nice steak is not harmed by using a cast iron griddle rather than a teflon coated one.

Also what has sending expensive sh1t all that way to take photos of a distant planet that is not really inhabitable got to do with furthering ourselves? We have no choice in planet to live on, sort this one out first. BTW anyone wonder what can evolve in the time it takes for this planet to become inhabitable? Will we even be here as a species? Will we be anywhere?

arthur_scrimshaw

Tangled Metal wrote:

IIRC one argument I heard recently for these space exploits was that without this sort of exploration you would not have GPS and a lot of other tech. That is a bit spurious isn;t it? I mean how long have we managed without GPS and teflon? What about those cooks and chefs on TV who teach you to use cast iron griddles for searing meat. IMHO a nice steak is not harmed by using a cast iron griddle rather than a teflon coated one.

Also what has sending expensive sh1t all that way to take photos of a distant planet that is not really inhabitable got to do with furthering ourselves? We have no choice in planet to live on, sort this one out first. BTW anyone wonder what can evolve in the time it takes for this planet to become inhabitable? Will we even be here as a species? Will we be anywhere?

You forgot the pen that writes upside down?