Cameron is a windbag

his speech on immigration plus his boasting of halving the EU budget bill, proves he is a full of xxxx and like Mellor and Mitchell - show the contempt he must surely hold the British public.
5 years in and immigration is higher than before he made his ill judged pledge to cut it to 10s of thousands and his plans to stop in work benefits are tosh, changes in EU treaties take years and he isn't going to campaign at the next election to leave the EU.
the headline in the Mail "At last Cameron acts" is absurd as it is fantasy and an open goal to UKIP
5 years in and immigration is higher than before he made his ill judged pledge to cut it to 10s of thousands and his plans to stop in work benefits are tosh, changes in EU treaties take years and he isn't going to campaign at the next election to leave the EU.
the headline in the Mail "At last Cameron acts" is absurd as it is fantasy and an open goal to UKIP

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Is this really the biggest issue for people is it becoming the biggest issue because it's being rammed down our throats morning, noon and night.
How have UKIP set the agenda and still avoided having their other policies pulled to pieces?
Disgustingly.
That's because he sheds it every night: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... n-a-lizard
with 2million unemployed, a non contributory benefits systems and demands on school places and nhs services, not too mention a house building programme that seems to dump 1000s of houses in and around small towns... yes uncontrolled immigration into a small already over crowded country is a big issue.
BUT this needs (should have been years ago) to be addressed within Europe and Cameron is trying make out he can sort it out (he has been in power for 5 years) very quickly.... because of his and the previous labour governments policies, we will be left with a UKIP party with a disastrous "leave the EU" policy and a Tory/Labour policy of what will actually be "leave as is"
Speeches like these raise expectation, which then falls flat, leaving people feeling disillusioned and even more likely to vote for parties like ukip.
Press: Here, be outraged by this.
Public: Ok.
Don't underestimate the power of media. We didn't have black Friday 5 years ago and yesterday it generated micro riots across the whole country. The retailers didn't create that hysteria without assistance.
If you have not tried it then you simply cannot comprehend how much difference this little step will make towards a blissful life.
I understand that you cannot force others to follow suit but little steps and all that....
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I'm not a Con supporter but I genuinely fear Ukip. Con and Labour have got to start setting the agenda more and tackle Ukips less populist and totally unworkable policies.
Suppose we do leave the euro. What happens to the eu workers already here in low skilled positions? My employer uses a lot of them. For the pay they receive, they work harder than uk counterparts. If you just remove them, a lot of other adjustments need to take place. Not saying that's right or wrong but you won't suddenly find everybody who is currently out of work is either suited to, or will take the newly available jobs.
However, our nations ills will be magically put right if we stop immigration and deport those immigrants that are already here. :roll:
The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
Can't see how the cure is worse than the problem when it comes to shortage of housing and the NHS.
Its a bit like being married for ten years when the other half becomes celebate. You go along with it for a while as the relationship is good until eventually you realise something is missing.
EU migrants add £6bn to our economy - thereby creating wealth and tax revenue.
When we talk about immigration, we need to make the distinction between non EU and EU migrants.
Our already low paid workforce is on low pay because our economy is service based and lacks industry - poorly paid jobs, zero working hours contracts and a huge rise in part-time employment that is intrinsically linked to a service sector economy and is delivering a drop in real terms of tax revenue. Revenue that we don't have to fund long term structural changes from housing to preventative healthcare to communication.
Is this the fault of the immigrants?
Why the main political parties don't push and disect UKIP policies other than immigration and the EU at every opportunity defeats me.
Farage and Boris Johnson speak in less "neutral/defensive" terms and take a lot of flak for their less guarded approach. But crucially they seem to grow in popularity. I reckon it's because a lot of folk are turned off by the usual Westminster language.
I watched coverage of American elections years ago and was amazed that the bluster spouted by the candidates was getting them elected. But it seems that our politicians have resorted to copying U.S politicians - tell everyone what they want to hear without making yourself accountable by being precise.
Farage is popular because he doesn't sound like a politician!
The final destination has always been intended as a federal state of EU.
We were lied to then, and if anyone denies it now then they are either naive or lying.
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No, we are lied to now when people say it was only a free trade agreement and deny that there was always an intent of increasing political union. That people knew is clear from the earlier referendum. The debate was very heated at the time about staying in and facing increased union, and the vote was to stay in, in the full knowledge that further integration would occur.
As for immigration, the British were some of the biggest expansionists pushing for the eastern block to get included, but now they don't like the supposed consequences. Well, be careful what you ask for.
Is that opinion from memory, or from reading? If memory, then we will have to agree to disagree. If from reading, I would check your sources.
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we didn't have a vote on joining the common market, we were in and had one on whether to stay in or leave.
to argue it was not about political union just does not bear witness. It is certainly true that economic union was never debated, but that is a different topic.
The UKIP voter will tell you that they voted for a trade union but would not have considered a political or economic union.
*Not that I am a UKIP voter but I have heard the sentiment expressed quite frequently.
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don't disagree with that statement in any way or form, however is it right that Cameron is driven by a group he does not represent while reneging on a manifesto he got voted in (sort of) on? Which comes back to the original premise in the title...
The UK has never been a services led economy. We assume that in the late-19thC/early-20thC nine out of ten men went to work in overalls; in reality the clerks, publicans, barbers and shop boys were always outnumbered them by a factor...
Productivity probably isn't the issue we assume it to be also; for example French and Italian productivity stats are either misleading (its a rare Frenchman who actually works the assumed 37 hour week) or in no small part representative of underlying economic problems (e.g. ethnic and regional communities that are poorly educated and economically excluded, so the output is relatively concentrated.)
Let's roll out the full quote and give credit:
"We've got David Cameron as Prime Minister now. A wet lipped buffoon who looks like he should be playing a trombone in a f**king Lurpak butter advert!" - Frankie Boyle
I stopped taking these people seriously a long time ago.
What about the country, I must care right? Nope. If the people in charge of it don't care then why the hell should I and more to the point, what's the use. Don't tell me, you can always become an MP and affect change yourself... not really possible though is it unless you're corrupt, compromised, perverted and in a few secret societies. :roll:
That was a good few years ago now. How things have changed. (Didn;t Bombardier lose the train building job for British routes because their mainland europe based factory/division won it a few years ago).
All a side issue of course. Cameron is a windbag but no more than any senior political figure of the last 20 or 30 years. Seriously how can you compare the windbagedness of Cameron with Blair? Anyone remember Kinnock? What about Thather too? She could spout a few bollocks too. Politicians lie and boast and spin the news. Shock! Horror! Then vote for the party that spouts rhetoric along the lines of your own political beliefs. Democracy working at it;s best! Then when they're in nothing really changes. The party in power lurches along from crisis to crisis (created in no small part by the necessary short termism that 5 year terms create - they need to give out sweeteners or they won't get back in again). The party in opposition has it relatively easy. They can spout on about how they would do it all differently but know they are not in that position so have it easier to gain public support in whatever the latest media condemnation is. All the time we start seeing the next generation of political windbags coming through. First as special advisers or parliamentary aides of some form. Then as junior MPs in government or opposition. Then appearing on Question time or some other news outlet. Once tested and proven a decent mouthpiece they are made. Cabinet position (in government or opposition). Then eventually with luck one comes out on top and we have another PM windbag to look at. Or more likely opposition leader when the previous PM loses an election and gets deposed. I mean you can';t have a loser in the top party job can you!!?