winter bike with full mudguards and space for 28mm

ianbar
ianbar Posts: 1,354
edited December 2014 in Road buying advice
hello, looking to get a new winter ride. i would want full mud guards, 28mm tyres. open to frame material but not looking to break the £1000 mark. cheers
enigma esprit
cannondale caad8 tiagra 2012
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  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,223
    Genesis Equilibrium disc 10 £1099 or buy the frame and build yourself.

    Whyte Dorset £999.

    Kinesis race light 4S £1197 or buy the frame and build yourself.

    Dolan Dual 105 £999.
  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    Planet X Kaffenback
    Any number of CX bikes
    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • rafletcher
    rafletcher Posts: 1,235
    edited December 2014
    DJ58 wrote:
    Genesis Equilibrium disc 10 £1099 or buy the frame and build yourself.

    Whyte Dorset £999.

    Kinesis race light 4S £1197 or buy the frame and build yourself.

    Dolan Dual 105 £999.

    The Genesis Equilibrium is limited to 25mm with guards, 28mm without.

    Edit - I just fitted 27mm Vittoria Pave's to mine, with SKS narrow guards and the standard rims. Not a lot of space but enough.

    The Genesis Criox de Fer 10 comes with 35mm tyres so 28mm plus guards is ok.
  • janwal
    janwal Posts: 489
    How about the new Planet X London road
    http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBPXLDNRIV ... -road-bike
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,223
    rafletcher wrote:

    The Genesis Equilibrium is limited to 25mm with guards, 28mm without. The Genesis Criox de Fer 10 comes with 35mm tyres so 28mm plus guards is ok.

    Didn't spot that, I think they have dropped a clod limiting the frame to 25mm max with guards fitted.
  • NeXXus
    NeXXus Posts: 854
    Ribble CX
    And the people bowed and prayed, to the neon god they made.
  • djp66
    djp66 Posts: 115
    I've just bought a Rose DX Pro for the same reasons. The DX Pro 2000 is 22sp 105, Avid BB& discs and comes with 33c tyres by default plus it can easily can easily take full mudguards. Also you can tailor the build as much as you want.

    In standard build it's £950 including delivery but there's often a few weeks build time. Very happy with mine (2014 DX Pro 3000 version).

    http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/bike/rose-pro-dx-cross-2000-772640
  • ba68
    ba68 Posts: 156
    Kinesis 4S
  • ianbar
    ianbar Posts: 1,354
    cheers guys, all worth a look. i think a cross bike would end up a good option so will keep looking at them
    enigma esprit
    cannondale caad8 tiagra 2012
  • arlowood
    arlowood Posts: 2,561
    ianbar wrote:
    cheers guys, all worth a look. i think a cross bike would end up a good option so will keep looking at them

    Another to add to the list is the Charge Plug 3. Wiggle have some 2014 models (Large and Small) on offer at a £300 discount.

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-plug-3-2014/

    If Sora is not to your taste then they do have higher specced models
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    DJ58 wrote:
    rafletcher wrote:
    The Genesis Equilibrium is limited to 25mm with guards, 28mm without. The Genesis Criox de Fer 10 comes with 35mm tyres so 28mm plus guards is ok.
    Didn't spot that, I think they have dropped a clod limiting the frame to 25mm max with guards fitted.
    Unless they've changed the design recently the Equilibrium is fine with 28mm tyres & guards.
    https://gibworth.mypixieset.com
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,223
    thegibdog wrote:
    DJ58 wrote:
    rafletcher wrote:
    The Genesis Equilibrium is limited to 25mm with guards, 28mm without. The Genesis Criox de Fer 10 comes with 35mm tyres so 28mm plus guards is ok.
    Didn't spot that, I think they have dropped a clod limiting the frame to 25mm max with guards fitted.
    Unless they've changed the design recently the Equilibrium is fine with 28mm tyres & guards.

    The review I read was for the 2015 bikes and frames here, (road.cc) were it states 28mm without mudguards and 25mm with. They could have there facts wrong I suppose, anyone on here buying one or a frameset to build up?

    http://road.cc/content/news/123804-gene ... fer-models

    "A new fork, which we first revealed to you back in February, has been designed by Genesis. It features an alloy steerer tube with mudguard eyelets and has space for up to 28mm tyres without mudguards, 25mm with. Continental Grand Sport 25mm tyres are fitted to the production bike."
  • passout
    passout Posts: 4,425
    Planet x london road is a good shout but I'd go for whyte road bikes - the dorset?
    'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    DJ58 wrote:
    thegibdog wrote:
    DJ58 wrote:
    rafletcher wrote:
    The Genesis Equilibrium is limited to 25mm with guards, 28mm without. The Genesis Criox de Fer 10 comes with 35mm tyres so 28mm plus guards is ok.
    Didn't spot that, I think they have dropped a clod limiting the frame to 25mm max with guards fitted.
    Unless they've changed the design recently the Equilibrium is fine with 28mm tyres & guards.
    The review I read was for the 2015 bikes and frames here, (road.cc) were it states 28mm without mudguards and 25mm with. They could have there facts wrong I suppose, anyone on here buying one or a frameset to build up?

    http://road.cc/content/news/123804-gene ... fer-models

    "A new fork, which we first revealed to you back in February, has been designed by Genesis. It features an alloy steerer tube with mudguard eyelets and has space for up to 28mm tyres without mudguards, 25mm with. Continental Grand Sport 25mm tyres are fitted to the production bike."
    Sorry, didn't realise you were just talking bout the disc. Seems a bit of a compromise but I guess the OP could run 28 at the back and 25 at the front if they were swung on the disc version.
    https://gibworth.mypixieset.com
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    I really think the best out of all the winter bike options at the mo is the Kinesis 4S. No compromise. It's good enough to race on but ticks all the boxes.

    In fact...
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  • sheffsimon
    sheffsimon Posts: 1,282
    Just recently got a Dolan Prefissio, only just takes 25mm on the back wheel under the brake bridge, and I had to remove the mudguard bracket and tywrap the guard directly to the bridge to stop it rubbing.

    Not good on a frame with mudguard eyes.
  • bmxboy10
    bmxboy10 Posts: 1,958
    rafletcher wrote:
    DJ58 wrote:
    Genesis Equilibrium disc 10 £1099 or buy the frame and build yourself.

    Whyte Dorset £999.

    Kinesis race light 4S £1197 or buy the frame and build yourself.

    Dolan Dual 105 £999.

    The Genesis Equilibrium is limited to 25mm with guards, 28mm without. The Genesis Criox de Fer 10 comes with 35mm tyres so 28mm plus guards is ok.

    I have a CDF and a 2014 Equilibrium Disc at present. CDF was too big so bought the Equilibrium disc frame and forks in the sales. Just started moving the CDF parts over and I can get 32mm tyres on no problem and mudguards will fit with a tiny bit of fettling. CDF F&F will be up for sale soon.....
  • ianbar
    ianbar Posts: 1,354
    been looking at the CDF, i have been rather stupid as realised buying a complete bike would be a waste as i have lots of parts that could go towards a build. so back to the CDF....now this is probably a really stupid question but since its a disk frame can i build but with rim brakes etc rather then disk? other then that i am currently looking at the ribble cx.
    enigma esprit
    cannondale caad8 tiagra 2012
  • bartersb
    bartersb Posts: 63
    Canyon Inflite 8.0s. It does slightly go over your budget but honestly I think it's worth it.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Ordered my Kinesis 4S today :)
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  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Ordered my Kinesis 4S today :)

    Whole bike or frameset to build?

    I have a Racelight Tk which is now 7 years old and it still is a lovely ride. In the subsequent years Kinesis evolved it through 2 versions of the Tk2, the Tk3 and now the 4S. In the process the headtube got taller and tapered, it got a beefy new fork, and I quite like the current paint schemes.

    So I think you're going to love it!
  • philclubman
    philclubman Posts: 229
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Ordered my Kinesis 4S today :)

    Nice. Nearly bought a TK3/4S Frameset myself.

    Managed to find a nice Milanino Training frame at a good price though and went for it.

    I think the Kinesis is probably a stiffer racier bike with the tapered carbon steerer, but the De Rosa does look lovely!
    De Rosa http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13008529
  • sopworth
    sopworth Posts: 191
    +1 for the Kinesis 4S.
    Built mine up around a month ago and can't keep off it.
    Even after such a short time, I'm debating selling my Sram Red R3 and riding the 4S all year - seriously.
    Mudguards going on v soon but running Gatorskins 25s and there is tons of space.
    Really is a joy to ride.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Just the frame/fork. Will have athena group and Wheelsmith Ambrosio wheels. Deda finishing kit. In fact I'll be moving my stuff over from my Ribble.
    Im currently running Vittoria pave 24mm tyres. May get some 27s and take advantage of the clearance :)
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  • Cavs
    Cavs Posts: 176
    sopworth wrote:
    +1 for the Kinesis 4S.
    Built mine up around a month ago and can't keep off it.
    Even after such a short time, I'm debating selling my Sram Red R3 and riding the 4S all year - seriously.
    Mudguards going on v soon but running Gatorskins 25s and there is tons of space.
    Really is a joy to ride.

    What groupset and wheels did you go for Sopworth?

    (I'm thinking of a 4S, Ultegra, Fulcrum Racing 3's, 3T stem, seatpost, bars for about £1,450)
  • wotnoshoeseh
    wotnoshoeseh Posts: 531
    Why the 4S and not the T2?
    I'm debating between the two (both of which would probably be a step up from a GT Series 4 frameset), but I'm trying hard to reconcile the extra cost of the 4S over the T2.
    T2 + DC07 fork + headset at ~£300-310 vs. a 4S frameset at £465?
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    One poster said a equilibrium will only take 25mm tyres with guards. The equilibrium disc will take 30mm tyres with guards. How do I know I am building one up at present!!!

    Kenesis bikes are good but now there is disc brake for road why are you guy still wanting to wear rims out and put up with so so braking in the wet? Need to finish of the equilibrium and sell of the traitor.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Because I'll probably race on the 4s too. Not allowed to race with discs.
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  • pippi_langsamer-2
    pippi_langsamer-2 Posts: 1,470
    This without a shadow of doubt:

    http://www.merlincycles.com/merlin-x20- ... oCZgrw_wcB
  • sopworth
    sopworth Posts: 191
    Cavs wrote:
    sopworth wrote:
    +1 for the Kinesis 4S.
    Built mine up around a month ago and can't keep off it.
    Even after such a short time, I'm debating selling my Sram Red R3 and riding the 4S all year - seriously.
    Mudguards going on v soon but running Gatorskins 25s and there is tons of space.
    Really is a joy to ride.

    What groupset and wheels did you go for Sopworth?

    (I'm thinking of a 4S, Ultegra, Fulcrum Racing 3's, 3T stem, seatpost, bars for about £1,450)

    I used an 105 group set from my previous winter build, along with a pair of Fulcrum 5's (which have been bombproof for 4 years of utter abuse). I only had to buy a new seat post, cassette and chain.
    Pushed it hard up a tough climb today and posted my fastest time in the process.
    Love this bike.

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