BMX vs roadie rage story

handful

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cyclist-kicked-into-the-path-of-a-coach-by-fellow-cyclist-9808531.html

Could've nasty!

Undertones

Two tw@ts move on.

cookeeemonster

Undertones wrote:

Two tw@ts move on.

why's the victim a tw@t?

veronese68

CookeeeMonster wrote:

Undertones wrote:

Two tw@ts move on.

why's the victim a tw@t?

I reckon he pulled in to the left in front of the guy without shoulder checking at about 14 seconds in. He pulls away from the lights, goes to overtake the guy in grey then changes his mind brakes and pulls in without checking over his shoulder. That is probably what upset the tool on the BMX. Had the victim been more careful it wouldn't have happened, although this doesn't excuse the kick. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

diy

I'm not sure I buy the "I was look right so didn't see him undertake" I think I see someone who didn't see why he should give up space for the other rider who was clearly riding tw@t like. Still doesn't warrant the kick though he's got to explain how a guy on a BMX even kept up with him let alone overtook.

2-3s in he cuts him up at the the lights, then he does it again at the red bus, then he overtakes and brakes hard.

thegreatdivide

Anyone over the age of 12 should not be allowed to ride a BMX let alone ride it on a public road. It's a kid's toy.

PerformingMonkey

thegreatdivide wrote:

Anyone over the age of 12 should not be allowed to ride a BMX let alone ride it on a public road. It's a kid's toy.

cookeeemonster

Veronese68 wrote:

CookeeeMonster wrote:

Undertones wrote:

Two tw@ts move on.

why's the victim a tw@t?

I reckon he pulled in to the left in front of the guy without shoulder checking at about 14 seconds in. He pulls away from the lights, goes to overtake the guy in grey then changes his mind brakes and pulls in without checking over his shoulder. That is probably what upset the tool on the BMX. Had the victim been more careful it wouldn't have happened, although this doesn't excuse the kick. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

I'm not sure about that. I dont think he did much wrong except maybe at the very start he did a close overtake while bmx guy was in the gutter. Why did bmx guy try to force his way round the bus (and potentially force the victim into the path of traffic) at all? You can't just pull out on people and expect them to accomodate you.

seanoconn

PerformingMonkey wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Anyone over the age of 12 should not be allowed to ride a BMX let alone ride it on a public road. It's a kid's toy.

Was this the BMX used by the attacker?

diy

watch closely :
1s he cuts him up as he's moving off
12s he cuts him off
15s he brakes hard and cuts him off

Undertones

I only watched the video earlier but just had a scan read of that article.

"Raphael Carrondo who was lucky to escape alive"
"Carrondo told ITV News: "I couldn't believe what had happened - I feel so lucky to be alive. "
"I went flying over the handlebars and my head almost went under the bus - it was terrifying."
"He added: "It was ridiculous - it's the most dangerous thing I've ever seen on a cyclist's cam,"

Slightly over the top maybe...

Omar Little

This seems to be the unedited footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHy82l8oMpM

No-one comes out it looking good from the riders filtering up the inside of the bus to the camera guy cutting up the guy on the BMX (once at the lights then again going round the bus) then slamming the brakes on when he was past. Then the BMXer doing the d1ck move with the kick. Then after that while the camera guy is picking himself off the ground a couple of other riders (one of whom has had to stop to avoid the crash) just ride off without even asking if he is OK!

cookeeemonster

diy wrote:

watch closely :
1s he cuts him up as he's moving off
12s he cuts him off
15s he brakes hard and cuts him off

1s - close overtake but literally nothing to write home about. bmx guy is hardly moving, overtaker isn't going particularly fast either. Maybe I'd be slightly miffed in his position though...but seriously, it's so minor compared to pretty much everything on london roads.
12s - bmx guy tries to force the undertake - he hasn't looked ahead far enough and so is gonna be stuck behind the bus, he hasn't put any distance at all between him and the victim whilst trying badly to undertake, then moves to his right without caring if there was any room - bang out of order in my book. Did he even look before moving to his right?!
15s - no idea what you're talking about here? Thats not what I see.

Sleeper Cell

I wish they'd ignore the cyclist-vs-cyclist part. It's a person-vs-person story, one of which happens to be on a bike and the other is on a small child's bike.

Tjgoodhew

Just more unnecessary press for cycling.

Are you telling me similar altercations dont happen every single day on other forms of transport ??

People kicking off because somebody pushed them on the train or bumped into them on the street, road rage between two cars etc....

Just seems another non story that gives more ammo to the general public to feel negatively towards cyclists

veronese68

CookeeeMonster wrote:

15s - no idea what you're talking about here? Thats not what I see.

I admit we are guessing because we can't see what's behind him. But he moves his hands forwards onto the hoods then moves to the left whilst braking reasonably hard, it is reasonable to assume BMX guy would be quite close behind him at this point based on what we have just seen. We can't be 100% certain, but he definitely changes his line and brakes hard. I have no idea why he saw fit to brake that hard at that point.
BMX guy is still the bigger tool because his actions were deliberate, but the victim could have been more careful.

ddraver

Tjgoodhew wrote:

Just more unnecessary press for cycling.

Are you telling me similar altercations dont happen every single day on other forms of transport ??

People kicking off because somebody pushed them on the train or bumped into them on the street, road rage between two cars etc....

Just seems another non story that gives more ammo to the general public to feel negatively towards cyclists

That, good post!

bernithebiker

If you're getting overtaken by a BMX, maybe time to try another sport?!

handful

Omar Little wrote:

. Then after that while the camera guy is picking himself off the ground a couple of other riders (one of whom has had to stop to avoid the crash) just ride off without even asking if he is OK!

I think that's the most shocking part from me. What a lovely caring nation we have become, nobody gives a sh1t about anyone any more.

rolf_f

Omar Little wrote:

Then after that while the camera guy is picking himself off the ground a couple of other riders (one of whom has had to stop to avoid the crash) just ride off without even asking if he is OK!

To be fair, he doesn't have to pick himself off the ground as he lands on his feet so no need to ask if he's OK. Looks like he spent some of his school days in the gym practicing his vaulting. Who'd have thought that would come in so useful.....

Dorset_Boy

handful wrote:

Omar Little wrote:

. Then after that while the camera guy is picking himself off the ground a couple of other riders (one of whom has had to stop to avoid the crash) just ride off without even asking if he is OK!

I think that's the most shocking part from me. What a lovely caring nation we have become, nobody gives a sh1t about anyone any more.

No, just an example of how ignorant so many of those who live in London are. :roll:

Bozman

Six of one half a dozen of the other.
If I had to fault one it'd be the guy on the road bike.

VmanF3

Bozman wrote:

Six of one half a dozen of the other.
If I had to fault one it'd be the guy on the road bike.

As far as road craft goes, maybe; but it didn't warrant that response.

awavey

Veronese68 wrote:

CookeeeMonster wrote:

15s - no idea what you're talking about here? Thats not what I see.

I admit we are guessing because we can't see what's behind him. But he moves his hands forwards onto the hoods then moves to the left whilst braking reasonably hard, it is reasonable to assume BMX guy would be quite close behind him at this point based on what we have just seen. We can't be 100% certain, but he definitely changes his line and brakes hard. I have no idea why he saw fit to brake that hard at that point.
BMX guy is still the bigger tool because his actions were deliberate, but the victim could have been more careful.

I think he's just falling back in line behind the office guy on the black bike, who he'd been matching pace with for a while,but the forced undertake by the red coach had pushed him out wide and he'd upped his pace to try and keep out the way. so either has to commit to overtake the office guy or he probably just thought well I dont want to be this wide in this lane and Im not playing SCR with the guy in front so Ill slot back in.

as you say we cant see what was going on behind or whether he shoulder checked,so maybe the BMX bandit was particularly miffed he wasnt being given enough room,and saw it as a brake test + trying to faceplant into back of a bus, but pretty rotten way to react still.

iron-clover

I don't really see what the road cyclist was doing so terribly here tbh- he seemed to pass a little close to the BMX at the lights but from there on the BMX rider only has himself to blame.

You can clearly see the cyclist in front of the camera as well as the recorder himself moving out into the road to avoid the parked bus, at which point the BMX undertakes the recorder and expects to have clear road to avoid the bus with.

I'm sorry, but if it had been a truck the camera had been attached to this would have been a completely different story- pulling out last second around obstacles without checking is a great way to get yourself killed. It looks like the recorder reacted last second to avoid a crash and ended up out in the road half wheeling the guy in front- without having checked behind it's clear to overtake of course you're going to go back into line.
If the BMX rider was still that close behind the recorder when he moved back in and was cut up then frankly he had it coming from staying too close and failing to anticipate what is going to happen.

Yes, the recorder could have anticipated the stupid maneuver from the BMX kid and moved out more (if he had time to check it was clear) but I can't see anywhere him being at fault when once it's boiled down.

But yes, at the end of the day it just shows how c**p people behave to one another nowadays.

bobmcstuff

Sleeper Cell wrote:

I wish they'd ignore the cyclist-vs-cyclist part. It's a person-vs-person story, one of which happens to be on a bike and the other is on a small child's bike.

Hear, hear

max1234

No, just an example of how ignorant so many of those who live in London are

And this is just an example of how chippy so many country bumpkins are...

diy

He does take a lot of risks generally.. A lot of cyclists take similar risks. At 46s he passes a long line of vehicles on the inside without being able to see the red traffic light ahead or the crossing traffic, so he has no clue when the lights will change. At 1:27 he passes a white Vauxhaul on the inside on a changed light when the car has nothing other than cyclists moving off to hold him up. Guy just needs to watch these hazards a little better.

thegreatdivide

bobmcstuff wrote:

Sleeper Cell wrote:

I wish they'd ignore the cyclist-vs-cyclist part. It's a person-vs-person story, one of which happens to be on a bike and the other is on a small child's bike.

Hear, hear

Eh? Sorry I'm a bit deaf.

He's on a small child's bike but he's totally gnarly dude.

lakesluddite

At the end of the day someone has been physically attacked in broad daylight - it doesn't really matter what minor mistakes the filmer made (how many of these little cut-ups and sudden braking happen in this type of traffic everyday?).
If someone walks into you whilst texting or gets in your way while you are in a hurry on the street you wouldn't have any justification if you punched them. I just don't understand the minute examination of the filmers riding ability - it's not the point, the aggressor needs prosecuting, next time the victim might not be as 'lucky'.

diy

Nobody disputes that, but road rage is a funny thing... Its all about primal responses from the amygdala. It causes all sorts of irrational things, by normal people:

In this situation a driver fails to notice the cyclist passing him on the inside (and the cyclist fails to consider the need of the car to move over) as he attempts to move out of the way of the oncoming vehicle. As a result she attacks the car probably because her amygdala triggered a fight response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOf1CpIw32g

Here a driver mounts the curb and smashes in to the side of another car just to make a territorial point to the other driver (his g/f being in the car behind). Pure chest thumping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzku3R_6FQ

another where a motorcyclist brake checks a car who has annoyed him and ends up nearly dead. a fight response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8E34jm2BHk

What we have to do is recognise our small actions on others can have major consequences as things can escalate quickly and irrationally. In my book if an accident or attack could be avoided then you need recognise you played a part in the outcome. I'm not saying I'm an angel, just trying to explain how/why things happen and show what causes them.