Dangerous Driving
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MichaelMLFC92 wrote:Surely you can justify abusive language when someone else's actions are putting you in danger?
nope, its likely to be a Sec 4 Public Order Act offence
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64
have a read of the guidance on charging:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/publ ... _offences/
I don't agree with the view that you shouldn't report things on the basis that plod are busy. But you should be clear about what you have evidence wise and also what constitutes dangerous driving:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road ... d_driving/0 -
Bozman wrote:A lot of folk seem a far too sensitive about cars that come close, if a cars clips you then you've got reason to moan but otherwise just get on with it because it's just part of cycling.
"...just part of cycling" Fuck off is it! :shock: I can't believe I am reading this. It is not part of cycling, it is not part of driving, it is not acceptable. If any other vehicle comes past me close enough so that I could touch them, that is too close, and I will make sure they know. I am including other bikes in this too. The roads are there for us all to use, however we choose to use them, and passing another road user too close is idiotic. Would you pass a parked car within a door's width of it?0 -
philthy3 wrote:Yep; caller of note. :roll:
So these examples I gave you shouldn't be reported to the police?Delete my fucking account.0 -
Portsmouth sounds like a battle zone. I'd move if I were you.0
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MichaelMLFC92 wrote:philthy3 wrote:Yep; caller of note. :roll:
So these examples I gave you shouldn't be reported to the police?
Well - I would've popped into the licencing department in the council for the taxi driver ... but that's because I used to work there ...
As for reporting to Police - everytime? No, but repeated "offences" may be worth while.
I had a "close pass with horn" incident last winter ... repeated by the same car in about the same place the next day (and I had the GoPro recording on the bars) - didn't happen a 3rd time otherwise I would've probably reported it along with the video evidence - not sure what good it would do though.
Some single incident occurrences may be that shocking that it's worth while reporting but how many incidents of crap driving are just that - crap driving - rather than malicious intent ... How could you tell the difference?
We've all made mistakes whilst riding/driving - hopefully we've got away with it and learnt from our mistakes - most of us wouldn't need a visit from plod to re-iterate the lesson.
It seems that the problem with being a "caller of note" is that although the incidents may be good examples of bad or even dangerous driving, single incidents are usually not worth following up and the sheer volume of them makes it difficult to manage.
The logical thought is that these incidents get noted against the vehicle and once the count reaches a threshold or the vehicle is pulled for something else then these incidents get added into the questioning - I guess this doesn't occur - not least because it's not always clear who the driver is.0 -
I did call the licencing people for the taxi driver. He had to attend a meeting the next day at 9am and wrote a letter of apology. Whereas when I asked him what he was doing straight after it happened he basically told me to do one.Delete my fucking account.0
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You didn't expect him to be grateful did you?! He'll carry on doing it - but unless it's reported to the licence authority (don't know how much they hook up with police) he'll keep getting a taxi licence ...MichaelMLFC92 wrote:I did call the licencing people for the taxi driver. He had to attend a meeting the next day at 9am and wrote a letter of apology. Whereas when I asked him what he was doing straight after it happened he basically told me to do one.0 -
MichaelMLFC92 wrote:Based on my experience with them on the phone, that's the way it'll likely go.
Do other people go to the station and report bad driving or is that weird? It seems strange to me that they appear to not care much at all about near misses and drivers who know they've done something wrong but don't care, yet these drivers are one step away from hitting people... in which case they would do something
Unfortunately thats how the law needs to work. You can't go off "what if". I know it seems silly but the only alternative is a locked down world and we can't exactly live like that. Where do you draw the line, what is "dangerously close"?0 -
Well if for example they apologised straight after in the event that you manage to catch up and ask what they were playing at and said "yeah, I realise I was too close, sorry", or something like any normal person who A) actually cares and
didn't do it on purpose, would, then I wouldn't take it any further.
It's when they do something horribly dangerous then you ask what the hell they're doing and they tell you that you don't have road tax or just insult you in some way it's as if they've done it on purpose.Delete my fucking account.0 -
People react differently to confrontation.MichaelMLFC92 wrote:It's when they do something horribly dangerous then you ask what the hell they're doing and they tell you that you don't have road tax or just insult you in some way it's as if they've done it on purpose.
If you've "just caught" them then you're probably going to be high on adrenalin plus you may have an elevated heartrate - your thinking isn't going to be straight. They don't know who you are or what you're going to do so they have a few choices:
1) take flight
2) apologise and hope that placates you
3) fight back
I would guess that those who have aggressively overtaken you even if not intending to physically hurt you, are more likely to be in the 3rd category and will fight back ...
Those in the 2nd category are probably the most dangerous as they probably didn't realise they did anything wrong to start with!0 -
Manc33 wrote:MichaelMLFC92 wrote:Based on my experience with them on the phone, that's the way it'll likely go.
Do other people go to the station and report bad driving or is that weird? It seems strange to me that they appear to not care much at all about near misses and drivers who know they've done something wrong but don't care, yet these drivers are one step away from hitting people... in which case they would do something
Unfortunately thats how the law needs to work. You can't go off "what if". I know it seems silly but the only alternative is a locked down world and we can't exactly live like that. Where do you draw the line, what is "dangerously close"?
Here the law is clear...cars have to give 1.5 metres space when overtaking bikes, do you not have these laws in Britain? Bikes also have to pass parked cars leaving 1.5 mtres too.my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
MichaelMLFC92 wrote:If someone does something which means I have to take evasive action, they're being reported to the police.
Sorry but I think that's a bit ridiculous.
I drive more than I cycle and I have to take evasive action pretty regularly to avoid idiots, whether I am on a bike or in a car. I'm pretty sure everyone on here is the same.
Sure the consequences if I'm hit on a bike are higher, but I wouldn't consider reporting it (whether on a bike or in a car) just because I had to take evasive action unless I was actually injured or damage was caused.
Its a fact of life we have to share the roads with other people.0 -
Lord_V wrote:MichaelMLFC92 wrote:If someone does something which means I have to take evasive action, they're being reported to the police.
Sorry but I think that's a bit ridiculous.
I drive more than I cycle and I have to take evasive action pretty regularly to avoid idiots, whether I am on a bike or in a car. I'm pretty sure everyone on here is the same.
Sure the consequences if I'm hit on a bike are higher, but I wouldn't consider reporting it (whether on a bike or in a car) just because I had to take evasive action unless I was actually injured or damage was caused.
Its a fact of life we have to share the roads with other people.
When I drive (in the same place that I cycle), I very rarely have to take evasive action. The fact that I have to take evasive action when on my bike is nothing to do with me, but rather to do with the fact that people see a cyclist and pull out, overtake too close, cut you up, whatever. But when I'm in my car, most people wouldn't dream of it. Surely people have experienced this? Even when driving in the girlfriend's smaller car, people seem to treat you with less respect than when I'm in my car.
And yes, we do have to share the roads with people. The key word being share. Someone hammering past you when there's no room to do so safely is not sharing.
Surely reporting (and the police acting upon) people who come close to hitting you would be a step towards fewer people being hit.
And yeah, there are laws about overtaking cyclists. You're meant to give as much room as you would a car. But to draw the line there isn't realistic because the vast majority of people give less space than that but still enough space such that I think it was safe enough.Delete my fucking account.0 -
Let see the footage and we can offer an opinion?0
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Wrong thread!0
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If there was such a thing as a moan-o-meter, I wonder if there would be a direct correlation between years spent cycling and moaning about other road users.0
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Bozman wrote:If there was such a thing as a moan-o-meter, I wonder if there would be a direct correlation between years spent cycling and moaning about other road users.
We seem to spend as much time whining about other cyclists even! This guy wheel sucked me. That guy didn't say Hi. That one didn't stop and fix my puncture for me. This one passed me and slowed down again a bit further on etc.0 -
TBH, you're coming across as a bit of a moaner on here ...MichaelMLFC92 wrote:Lord_V wrote:MichaelMLFC92 wrote:If someone does something which means I have to take evasive action, they're being reported to the police.
Sorry but I think that's a bit ridiculous.
I drive more than I cycle and I have to take evasive action pretty regularly to avoid idiots, whether I am on a bike or in a car. I'm pretty sure everyone on here is the same.
Sure the consequences if I'm hit on a bike are higher, but I wouldn't consider reporting it (whether on a bike or in a car) just because I had to take evasive action unless I was actually injured or damage was caused.
Its a fact of life we have to share the roads with other people.
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22 miles today - 1 dodgy overtake - he wasn't close, it was just a silly place to overtake (blind lh bend, double white line in the middle that he had to cross) ... that's it ...
Perhaps it's you? Are you overly aggressive/assertive on the road? (just offering suggestions - nothing personal, don't report me to the police or anything! ) 0 -
This is a valid point. I notice when I am overtly aggressive / trying to be fast I seem to run into more issues than if I am just on a leisure ride / recovery spin. I bump into more trouble in the midst of an interval than at any other times.0
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7000 miles ridden this year and probably encountered zillions of other road users. Absolutely nothing happened that i can recollect....0
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MichaelMFLC you have to realise that even in a perfect world, there are not enough Police, courts and prison space, to deal with every incident you consider dangerous, the vast majority of motorists, having seen you, do not intend to kill you or knock you off, it would ruin their day.
Its the ones that don't see you, that you have to worry about.
if you were riding in a group, then chances are you delayed them and you sound like the sort who would take the view that we ve every right to have 30 cars queued up behind us and they ll have to wait.
I am no fan of the british police and the way they work (or the restraints they r under) but really you need to find another interest.0 -
Slowbike wrote:
TBH, you're coming across as a bit of a moaner on here ...MichaelMLFC92 wrote:Lord_V wrote:MichaelMLFC92 wrote:If someone does something which means I have to take evasive action, they're being reported to the police.
Sorry but I think that's a bit ridiculous.
I drive more than I cycle and I have to take evasive action pretty regularly to avoid idiots, whether I am on a bike or in a car. I'm pretty sure everyone on here is the same.
Sure the consequences if I'm hit on a bike are higher, but I wouldn't consider reporting it (whether on a bike or in a car) just because I had to take evasive action unless I was actually injured or damage was caused.
Its a fact of life we have to share the roads with other people.
When I drive (in the same place that I cycle), I very rarely have to take evasive action. The fact that I have to take evasive action when on my bike is nothing to do with me, blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah
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22 miles today - 1 dodgy overtake - he wasn't close, it was just a silly place to overtake (blind lh bend, double white line in the middle that he had to cross) ... that's it ...
Perhaps it's you? Are you overly aggressive/assertive on the road? (just offering suggestions - nothing personal, don't report me to the police or anything! )
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Strikes me that the more you look for issues, the easier they are to find.0
