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Cheapest Frame used by a Pro Team?

GGBikerGGBiker Posts: 450
edited October 2014 in Road buying advice
Any suggestions for a pro level frame on a budget?

Already aware of a few options eg Canyon but notice that most brands seem to have cheaper frames with same geometry but lower quality carbon and higher weight (eg Scott, Cannondale).
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  • Genesis volare. See the steel thrsd
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  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,731
    Genesis volare. See the steel thrsd

    The Volare 953 frame is hardly 'cheap' - it's over £2k.
  • Imposter wrote:
    Genesis volare. See the steel thrsd

    The Volare 953 frame is hardly 'cheap' - it's over £2k.

    No, it's £1200 at some places. Hence see the steel thread.
    http://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m90b0s804p1 ... e_Frameset

    In any event, this isn't about cheap, it's about cheapest.

    So, that appears to suggest Volare or Condor Super Acciaio. Or, now, the Genesis Zero.

    Of course, much depends on how you define "pro."
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  • Paul's Cycles has Supersix Evo HM Framesets for 1300-1500
    Westbrook have Scott Foils 1300. Or 200 quid more with the thick end of a Di2 Group
  • Cervelo S3 with Ultegra 11 speed, 3k for a full build.
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  • I'm sure there are people on here who will correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the Raleigh Militis carbon bikes at Wiggle have the same frame as that used by the pro team. http://roadcyclinguk.com/gear/raleigh-model-year-2014-bikes-flagship-militis-range-updatedhtml

    So if they have a frame in your size it looks a decent deal at £1365 fully built up - http://www.wiggle.co.uk/raleigh-militis-pro-105-2014/
  • DKayDKay Posts: 1,652
    I can't remember the name of the team, but I saw a pro-level team using rebranded DengFu FM-098 frames on Eurosport this year.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,731
    DKay wrote:
    I can't remember the name of the team, but I saw a pro-level team using rebranded DengFu FM-098 frames on Eurosport this year.

    Might have been Zappis - I think they were using similar this year. Boardman supplied bikes to UHC a couple of years ago and BTwin support at least one junior/development team in France - you could argue that any frame has the potential to be 'pro level', whatever that means...
  • gabriel959gabriel959 Posts: 4,227
    If you mean WorldTour level then the SuperSix Evo. The others are not WT level.
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  • matt-hmatt-h Posts: 847
    gabriel959 wrote:
    If you mean WorldTour level then the SuperSix Evo. The others are not WT level.

    The Foil is
  • chanjychanjy Posts: 200
    Cervelo R3 gets a run out at Paris Roubaix and is fairly cheap (well it's all relative)
  • Canyon - Movistar
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  • Canyon cf sl frameset is £850. Beat that...
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  • Canyon cf sl frameset is £850. Beat that...

    Except Movistar use the CF SLX
  • snowleysnowley Posts: 149
    Canyon cf sl frameset is £850. Beat that...

    Except Movistar use the CF SLX

    Precisely
  • gabriel959gabriel959 Posts: 4,227
    Around the same as an Evo HM in the sales. The Foil is around the same price too.
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  • styxdstyxd Posts: 3,234
    Canyon Ultimate Al was (possibly still is) used by several pros
  • Imposter wrote:
    Genesis volare. See the steel thrsd

    The Volare 953 frame is hardly 'cheap' - it's over £2k.

    No, it's £1200 at some places. Hence see the steel thread.
    http://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m90b0s804p1 ... e_Frameset

    In any event, this isn't about cheap, it's about cheapest.

    So, that appears to suggest Volare or Condor Super Acciaio. Or, now, the Genesis Zero.

    Of course, much depends on how you define "pro."

    bloomin 'eck, £1200! now that is a proper bargain for a 953 frameset
  • navrig2navrig2 Posts: 1,704
    Cheapest to whom?

    It is quite likely that those with the best marketing are able to get the best profit from the sales of "pro" frames on the basis of number of sales and unit cost to manufacture. That could easily mean that the cheapest to manufacture is the most expensive on the normal retail market.

    One man's cheapest is another's margin.
  • snowley wrote:
    Canyon cf sl frameset is £850. Beat that...

    Except Movistar use the CF SLX

    Precisely
    So you've cut them apart and analysed the lay up have you?

    Do you think all the riders get the SLX? Valverde, Quintana for sure, but what about the keep-at-home training frames of the neo-pros?
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  • lawrenceslawrences Posts: 1,011
    different layup is not the same frame.
  • How far back do you want to go too?

    The planet x stealth time trial frame was the same as used by Cadel Evans a few years back. They are only about £300 now.

    Decathlon used to sponsor a TDF team and they were riding the top of the line B|Twin bike that wasn't much. But not still available I reckon.
  • GGBikerGGBiker Posts: 450
    Lots of great suggestions, think an evo hi mod in the sales or maybe the new Genesis Zero (looks great in all black with 105 build for £1600 I think, same frame as the Madison Genesis Team rode in the Tour of Britain).

    The Canyon CF SL looks to be a solid frame for the money although not ridden by a team as has been pointed out. Also like the Scott Foil 20 which is available for £1400 at the moment, superlight frame for the money though different lay up than the top line model.

    Another sleeper is the Bianchi Sempre Pro, used by the Androni Team.

    Also the vitus Vitesse, available in Ultegra build for £1200, di2 for £1600, this is the frame that the An Post Chain Reaction Team rode in the 2013 Tour of Britain.

    Plenty of options out there and they must all meet the basic requirements of competitive riders I would assume.
  • Pro's do get the sam bikes for home and for racing.Altough the ones at home are mostly serviced by the riders or their LBS so you can see clincher wheels and double bar tape.But the frame and groupset is the same.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,731
    GGBiker wrote:

    Also the vitus Vitesse, available in Ultegra build for £1200, di2 for £1600, this is the frame that the An Post Chain Reaction Team rode in the 2013 Tour of Britain.

    An Post rode the Dolan Ares in 2012 - also worth a look.
  • NeXXusNeXXus Posts: 854
    An Post CRC / Vitus as previously mentioned. I've had 5 various Vitus' and loved them all, especially the two I still have
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  • Focus Cayo Evo has been ridden in major races with Aqua and Sapone - don't think any pro teams use it now but you can get one for about a grand fully built if you look at the sales.
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  • DKayDKay Posts: 1,652
    Imposter wrote:
    DKay wrote:
    I can't remember the name of the team, but I saw a pro-level team using rebranded DengFu FM-098 frames on Eurosport this year.

    Might have been Zappis - I think they were using similar this year.

    Definitely wasn't them, as they're riding FM066SL frames instead. I think the name on the downtube began with a 'V'.
  • galatzogalatzo Posts: 1,295
    Caja Rurals frames, Vivelo ?, look like a DengFu or similar.
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  • DKayDKay Posts: 1,652
    Galatzo wrote:
    Caja Rurals frames, Vivelo ?, look like a DengFu or similar.

    That's the one! Their Arc RS bike is definitely the DengFu FM098, which can be bought direct for around £300.
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