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rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
edited October 2014 in Commuting chat
Have a problem.

Ride a 2011 Kona Paddywaggon (some of you may have seen).

It's an SS, with 42x16 gearing.

That gearing is very small (some of you may have seen).

I would like to stick a 46 chainring on it.

However, it turns out, my cranks, FSA Tempo cranks, are actually made for geared bikes, not SS, so they fit 130bcd chainrings, not the track standard 144bcd.

I'm not sure what the cheapest/best option would be to achieve my desired gearing.

Can someone who knows about this stuff ( I don't) help?

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Separately, the rear sprocket (which looks I think like a BMX one but I don't really know) is very worn.

No idea how to go about replacing that either.
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  • dhopedhope Posts: 6,699
    Cheapest would be to change the sprocket

    Just work it out with chainring/sprocket multiples
    You have a 42x16 (2.625x)
    You want a 46x16 (2.875x)

    So a 42x15 would be 2.8x (bit lower gear than 46/16)
    And a 42x14 would be 3x (bit higher gear than 46/16)

    If either of those ratios suit then that'd be the cheaper option.

    That said, could be tough to find a 14t freewheel...
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    Would the fact it's not a specific SS chainring explain that I need the chain bloody tight to stop it slipping off?

    Or is that marketing BS?
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    dhope wrote:
    Cheapest would be to change the sprocket

    Just work it out with chainring/sprocket multiples
    You have a 42x16 (2.625x)
    You want a 46x16 (2.875x)

    So a 42x15 would be 2.8x (bit lower gear than 46/16)
    And a 42x14 would be 3x (bit higher gear than 46/16)

    If either of those ratios suit then that'd be the cheaper option.

    That said, could be tough to find a 14t freewheel...

    Cheers...
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    http://www.sourcebmx.com/en/Salt-AM-14t ... 26932.aspx Would this work?

    Or is the 'smaller thread' a dealbreaker?
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  • dhopedhope Posts: 6,699
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    http://www.sourcebmx.com/en/Salt-AM-14t-Freewheel/m-26932.aspx Would this work?

    Or is the 'smaller thread' a dealbreaker?
    I think maybe a problem
    found similar here
    http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/dic ... -247-p.asp

    whatever a 'micro drive' is

    Might find LFGSS classifieds is a good bet
    http://www.lfgss.com/search/?q=130bcd&defaults=true
    http://www.lfgss.com/search/?q=130%20bcd&defaults=true
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    Is it worth ditching the budget FSA crankset and going to a proper track 144bcd setup?

    Realistically I need a new chain & sprocket whatever happens, as well as a new chainring...
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    Would this fit?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gebhardt-1-8- ... 3f2811c674
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  • LefthookLefthook Posts: 124
    Have the Paddy Wagon as well, quick google implies that you cant fit 14t freewheel onto a standard singlespeed hub. As size of the hub and then freewheel mechanism make the outer circumference too large for 14t.

    btw never had an issue with losing the chain off the front chainring!
  • rower63rower63 Posts: 1,991
    this any use?

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ta-130-pcd-shimano-track-outer-chainring-44-49t/
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  • pastryboypastryboy Posts: 1,385
    The vast majority of single speed chainrings will be 130. Both my SS/fixed bike came with that
  • tgotbtgotb Posts: 4,714
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Would the fact it's not a specific SS chainring explain that I need the chain bloody tight to stop it slipping off?

    Or is that marketing BS?
    Sounds highly credible. I'm using a single chainring with no front mech for CX, and that requires a special chainring (where alternate teeth are wider to accomodate the wider gap in the chain) and a higher spring tension on the rear mech.

    Standard chainrings are specifically designed to drop the chain easily to enable you to shift.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    rower63 wrote:
    this any use?

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ta-130-pcd-shimano-track-outer-chainring-44-49t/

    Looks like a goodun.
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  • iPeteiPete Posts: 6,076
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rower63 wrote:
    this any use?

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ta-130-pcd-shimano-track-outer-chainring-44-49t/

    Looks like a goodun.
    For 1/8‘‘ (3.17mm) track chain.

    If your current chainring is a roadie one, is your chain 3/32"?

    You can't use 3/32" on 1 1/8"

    Check Velo Solo, you can pick pretty much any combo http://www.velosolo.co.uk/shopcrank.html and the first one is available in 3/32" 46t 130 BCD.

    Depending on current wear, replacing the chainring, cog/freewheel and chain is a good idea otherwise it could sound like a chainsaw.
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 19,964
    yep velosolo every time, its meant for FGSS look at the teeth pattern, no ramps for shifting, thicker and looks more hipster which is of course the main reason for riding FGSS 8)
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    iPete wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rower63 wrote:
    this any use?

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ta-130-pcd-shimano-track-outer-chainring-44-49t/

    Looks like a goodun.
    For 1/8‘‘ (3.17mm) track chain.

    If your current chainring is a roadie one, is your chain 3/32"?

    You can't use 3/32" on 1 1/8"

    Check Velo Solo, you can pick pretty much any combo http://www.velosolo.co.uk/shopcrank.html and the first one is available in 3/32" 46t 130 BCD.

    Depending on current wear, replacing the chainring, cog/freewheel and chain is a good idea otherwise it could sound like a chainsaw.

    No idea...

    Any way I can work that stuff out?
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  • dhopedhope Posts: 6,699
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    iPete wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rower63 wrote:
    this any use?

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ta-130-pcd-shimano-track-outer-chainring-44-49t/

    Looks like a goodun.
    For 1/8‘‘ (3.17mm) track chain.

    If your current chainring is a roadie one, is your chain 3/32"?

    You can't use 3/32" on 1 1/8"

    Check Velo Solo, you can pick pretty much any combo http://www.velosolo.co.uk/shopcrank.html and the first one is available in 3/32" 46t 130 BCD.

    Depending on current wear, replacing the chainring, cog/freewheel and chain is a good idea otherwise it could sound like a chainsaw.

    No idea...

    Any way I can work that stuff out?
    Read it off the side of the chain most likely ;)
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    That would require the chain not being so filthy that you can read stuff on the side I guess?

    Hmm..

    *starts hunting for some chain cleaner*
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  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 19,964
    its easy to tell, does the chain look like you could use it to anchor a ship?

    if yes then its 1/8th otherwise its most likely 32. I was totally shocked at the weight of even a good 1/8th chain, Miche track chain btw - awesome strong and never seems to need replacing.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    pretty sure I have a BMX chain.

    That much I know.
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  • cjcpcjcp Posts: 13,345
    50x15. Your commute's pan-flat.
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  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 19,964
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    pretty sure I have a BMX chain.

    That much I know.

    1/8th it is then
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  • tgotbtgotb Posts: 4,714
    cjcp wrote:
    50x15. Your commute's pan-flat.
    You should do the same, given the only time you get on a bike these days is to ride it to work...
    Pannier, 120rpm.
  • cjcpcjcp Posts: 13,345
    TGOTB wrote:
    cjcp wrote:
    50x15. Your commute's pan-flat.
    You should do the same, given the only time you get on a bike these days is to ride it to work...

    I get to ride it back as well :).

    Looking at schools last weekend, so no hill climb. Then a lunch had been arranged for Sunday at a well-known venue near me, which was a bit gutting because I missed out on a CX race for the privilege of experiencing woeful service. Not. Happy....
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  • cjcpcjcp Posts: 13,345
    That chap on the Boardman hybrid, with the wing mirror. Haven't seen him for a while, but wow. Just wow.
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  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 19,964
    50T would be 110 BCD so not compatible but yes I'd be inclined to go bigger 52/17 or 18,19

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  • EKE_38BPMEKE_38BPM Posts: 5,821
    It amazes me that someone with over 23,000 posts in less than five years knows so little about bikes.
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  • LefthookLefthook Posts: 124
    On the chain, I have a 2011, I think, version. The same colour scheme as the one in the link below. It definitely came with 3/32.

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/reviews/ ... ywagon-550
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    EKE_38BPM wrote:
    It amazes me that someone with over 23,000 posts in less than five years knows so little about bikes.

    Proof if ever that post count ≠ expertise.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,312 Lives Here
    Lefthook wrote:
    On the chain, I have a 2011, I think, version. The same colour scheme as the one in the link below. It definitely came with 3/32.

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/reviews/ ... ywagon-550

    Might explain the rattle with the new chain?
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  • jonnyboy77jonnyboy77 Posts: 547
    I use one of these on my 1x10 setup

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/surly-stainless ... chainring/
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