Valentin Iglinsky done for EPO

iainf72

http://proteam-astana.com/2014/09/10/va ... statement/

Admits it without Vino resorting to rubber hoses against the soles of his feet

mulletmaster

They really will never change, that team.

blazing_saddles

Colour me surprised.
One of Astana's least successful riders on EPO.

dish_dash

Was googling him and came across this rather odd story...

11.10.2013 @ 13:10 Posted by Emil Axelgaard
According to the magazine Kurviz, Valentin Iglinskiy will rejoin the Astana team next year following a one-year stint at Ag2r. Team manager Alexandre Vinokourov promised his brother Maxim to sign his brother as a reward for his win in Sunday's Tour of Almaty.

The career of Kazakh sprinter Valentin Iglinskiy appears to have been saved by his more famous brother, former Liege-Bastogne-Liege winner Maxim. According to Kerviz, the latter made a deal with Astana team manager Alexandre Vinokourov to sign Valentin if Maxim would win the inaugural edition of their home race Tour of Almaty on Sunday.

Whether it was due to the possible signing of his brother is unknown but Iglinskiy rode a splendid race to take a solo win, 30 seconds ahead of Bardiani sprinter Sonny Colbrelli. That win may now allow Valentin to race another year at the highest level.

For many years, Valentin was a talented sprinter who took numerous sprint wins on the Asia Tour calendar until signing a contract with Astana for the 2014 season. While he failed to make an impact in the European races, he continued his strong showing in Asia and so had plenty of UCI points when his contract expired at the end of last season.

Ag2r was in desperate need of such points to keep their ProTeam license and so they decided to sign the Kazakh sprinter. However, he had a disappointing year and apart from the Kazakh road race championships, he failed to post a single top 10 result.

That led his French employer to take the decision not to renew his contract and his career appeared to be in limbo. If the report is confirmed, that uncertainty may now have been brought to an end by his brother Maxim.

The_Boy

I've never forgiven his brother for winning L-B-L when I had failed to back him @ 150/1 in spite of having on my bet slip at one point. On those grounds, happy to see him burn.

frenchfighter

Is it safe to assume his brother is on the gear as well? I quite like Iglinsky M and the photos from his LBL win are brilliant.

danlikesbikes

Does make you wonder another bad apple out though

By bad apple I just mean for taking drugs and I'm glad he has been caught out and banned, just don't want another one of those drawn out dugs threads again, know we've had plenty of those of late.

Mad_Malx

Cillian Kelly @irishpeloton · 14h

Trying to imagine the management meeting where ALEXANDER VINOKOUROV tells one of his riders that he's fired because he doped.

RichN95.

Mad_Malx wrote:

Cillian Kelly @irishpeloton · 14h

Trying to imagine the management meeting where ALEXANDER VINOKOUROV tells one of his riders that he's fired because he doped.

Would it be any more ridiculous than being sacked by Vaughters? Or any worse than being suspended by the MPCC(who have a fair few people with pasts on the management committee - including Vino's first DS)?

I know Vino is a good bogeyman and he didn't dance to the media's tune when caught, but does that mean that he is compelled to continue down the doping path for ever more?

dish_dash

frenchfighter wrote:

Is it safe to assume his brother is on the gear as well? I quite like Iglinsky M and the photos from his LBL win are brilliant.

No, of course it isn't.

inseine

The first guy you see on the Astana rider page is........

ic.

So Tinkoff was wrong the other day when he said there was no more doping in cycling. Shock.

I'm glad he's been caught and glad he's admitted it without the merry go round of "I'm innocent!!" followed by "OK, I'm not that innocent"

Wish all cases were as straight forward

ocdupalais

inseine wrote:

The first guy you see on the Astana rider page is........

It's the camel-toe issue at Astana that they need to address as much as the doping

Paul 8v

OCDuPalais wrote:

inseine wrote:

The first guy you see on the Astana rider page is........

It's the camel-toe issue at Astana that they need to address as much as the doping

what has been seen can never be unseen! glad I finished my lunch OCDuPalais

joelsim

I'm shocked.

joelsim

Just out of interest, is there anyone here who thinks Piti and Bertie aren't on the juice?

Macaloon

Joelsim wrote:

Just out of interest, is there anyone here who thinks Piti and Bertie aren't on the juice?

Me.

RichN95.

Joelsim wrote:

Just out of interest, is there anyone here who thinks Piti and Bertie aren't on the juice?

It's quite possible. I saw a fully juiced up Valverde beat Armstrong, Rasmussen and Basso up Corcheval in 2005. He would have beaten every rider I have seen since on that form. But I haven't seen that rider since Puerto

Paul 8v

I'd like to think not, you would think none of the top guys would be stupid enough...

calvjones

Paul 8v wrote:

I'd like to think not, you would think none of the top guys would be stupid enough...

For someone like Valverde if [probability of being caught x salary losses] < [marginal extra moolah gained in new contract due to doping] it's perfectly rational and not stupid at all.

For Valv. there are no reputational issues that might affect future earnings I guess. Already-caught dopers probably have a greater incentive than 'clean' riders.

See Justin Gatlin, 9.77s last week

Macaloon

calvjones wrote:

Paul 8v wrote:

I'd like to think not, you would think none of the top guys would be stupid enough...

For someone like Valverde if [probability of being caught x salary losses] < [marginal extra moolah gained in new contract due to doping] it's perfectly rational and not stupid at all.

For Valv. there are no reputational issues that might affect future earnings I guess. Already-caught dopers probably have a greater incentive than 'clean' riders.

See Justin Gatlin, 9.77s last week

Valverde losing to 'Pernot' at the Tour doesn't seem comparable to a 9.77s 100m.

calvjones

No, I'm not saying he's doping, just that if he did, it wouldn't be indicative of stupidity. I don't think he is, much.

joelsim

RichN95 wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Just out of interest, is there anyone here who thinks Piti and Bertie aren't on the juice?

It's quite possible. I saw a fully juiced up Valverde beat Armstrong, Rasmussen and Basso up Corcheval in 2005. He would have beaten every rider I have seen since on that form. But I haven't seen that rider since Puerto

I understand that fully juiced up isn't realistic any more, but a bit of juice here and there is.

Pross

Surely 'a bit here and there' will show up more in the passport than consistent doping at a lower level? I get nervous of riders who perform well throughout the season but other than that there's nothing to make me feel overly suspicious. As for Bertie, he's in decent form (especially after the injury) but it's still nothing like it was a few years ago. He's leading by a couple of minutes over Froome who is clearly not in the form of last year and is less suited to most of the Vuelta climbs. Despite what some say I still don't think he would have made the time back on Nibali at the Tour had he not crashed. The way he is riding he is gaining a few seconds here and there whereas 5 years ago he would gain minutes with sustained attacks.

sherer

Pross wrote:

Surely 'a bit here and there' will show up more in the passport than consistent doping at a lower level? I get nervous of riders who perform well throughout the season but other than that there's nothing to make me feel overly suspicious. As for Bertie, he's in decent form (especially after the injury) but it's still nothing like it was a few years ago. He's leading by a couple of minutes over Froome who is clearly not in the form of last year and is less suited to most of the Vuelta climbs. Despite what some say I still don't think he would have made the time back on Nibali at the Tour had he not crashed. The way he is riding he is gaining a few seconds here and there whereas 5 years ago he would gain minutes with sustained attacks.

How often do they get tested for the passport though ? Surely mid race they won't be taking blood out of riders so does that leave them free to dope if the glow time will go dark by the morning

RichN95.

sherer wrote:

Pross wrote:

Surely 'a bit here and there' will show up more in the passport than consistent doping at a lower level? I get nervous of riders who perform well throughout the season but other than that there's nothing to make me feel overly suspicious. As for Bertie, he's in decent form (especially after the injury) but it's still nothing like it was a few years ago. He's leading by a couple of minutes over Froome who is clearly not in the form of last year and is less suited to most of the Vuelta climbs. Despite what some say I still don't think he would have made the time back on Nibali at the Tour had he not crashed. The way he is riding he is gaining a few seconds here and there whereas 5 years ago he would gain minutes with sustained attacks.

How often do they get tested for the passport though ? Surely mid race they won't be taking blood out of riders so does that leave them free to dope if the glow time will go dark by the morning

Yeah, they do blood tests mid race. Plenty of them. Well, mid-stage race at least - I don't think they test them at the feed zone.

The_Boy

RichN95 wrote:

sherer wrote:

Pross wrote:

Surely 'a bit here and there' will show up more in the passport than consistent doping at a lower level? I get nervous of riders who perform well throughout the season but other than that there's nothing to make me feel overly suspicious. As for Bertie, he's in decent form (especially after the injury) but it's still nothing like it was a few years ago. He's leading by a couple of minutes over Froome who is clearly not in the form of last year and is less suited to most of the Vuelta climbs. Despite what some say I still don't think he would have made the time back on Nibali at the Tour had he not crashed. The way he is riding he is gaining a few seconds here and there whereas 5 years ago he would gain minutes with sustained attacks.

How often do they get tested for the passport though ? Surely mid race they won't be taking blood out of riders so does that leave them free to dope if the glow time will go dark by the morning

Yeah, they do blood tests mid race. Plenty of them. Well, mid-stage race at least - I don't think they test them at the feed zone.

Think you've found the fatal flaw in the Bio-Passport. Should probably mention it to The Other Place.

RichN95.

Matteo Rabottini of the Yellow Fluo mob and 2012 Giro KOM has joined Iglinsky on the naughty step. OOC EPO prior to Burgos (he came 4th).

I thought the MPCC rules meant their members teams couldn't dope? It's confusing.

iainf72

RichN95 wrote:

Matteo Rabottini of the Yellow Fluo mob and 2012 Giro KOM has joined Iglinsky on the naughty step. OOC EPO prior to Burgos (he came 4th).

I thought the MPCC rules meant their members teams couldn't dope? It's confusing.

I'm more confused as I thought we have people who do power models that can spot doping from a mile away.

tailwindhome

iainf72 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Matteo Rabottini of the Yellow Fluo mob and 2012 Giro KOM has joined Iglinsky on the naughty step. OOC EPO prior to Burgos (he came 4th).

I thought the MPCC rules meant their members teams couldn't dope? It's confusing.

I'm more confused as I thought we have people who do power models that can spot doping from a mile away.

No model required, anyone who beat either of these 2 riders at anytime in any race ever is a doper.

danlikesbikes

We do but if used in small enough amounts but often enough to benefit whilst training then regular testing will not pick this up as it will have cleared the system (unless tested right at the point of taking as it's out of the system pretty quickly). The profiling does work but if your clever you can mask this as being an improvement during training blocks where you would expect performance to increase accordingly