One for engineers

supersonic

Lead technician? You work with soft metals?

thekickingmule

RockmonkeySC wrote:

You can become a member of the institute of me by taking a series of rather tough exams.

:shock:

Pudseyp

Arguing with an engineer is a lot like wrestling a pig in mud, after about an hour you find that the pig actually likes it.... :roll:

DesB3rd

I quite like the inclusion of an undercurrent of laziness; take an hour to run the calcs on (for example) on beam X or just spec one 50% larger and get the hell out of the office?

rockmonkeysc

DesB3rd wrote:

I quite like the inclusion of an undercurrent of laziness; take an hour to run the calcs on (for example) on beam X or just spec one 50% larger and get the hell out of the office?

That's just bad engineering. Put in heavy steel to make calcs easier and then you need heavier steel to support that and a bigger crane to install it, pay more for the steel, take longer to mske it because it's awkward to work with and still have to produce calcs anyway and then get questioned about why this beam has a safety factor of 2.8 trillion.

Angus Young

bg13 wrote:

i fix war planes...

You win the thread.

The Rookie

Generally people who fix or build things designed by others are technicians, the thing they are building will have been designed by engineers!

rockmonkeysc

The Rookie wrote:

Generally people who fix or build things designed by others are technicians, the thing they are building will have been designed by engineers!

Thats a bit of a generalization. There's plenty of people making and fixing stuff who are definitely engineers, especially in bespoke machinery building, control systems and prototyping.
There are also plenty of designers who are only really technicians. A lot of engineering businesses build lots of variations of the same things so all the real design and development was done years ago and the designers are just tweaking and modifying for specific applications.

veronese68

The Rookie wrote:

Many job titles are protected, such as doctor, dentist, vet', even veterinary nurse recently, engineer is not one of them, though it is in many other countries (Germany for example).

My Italian Grandfather was an engineer, worked for Nicola Romeo and went with him when he started Alfa Romeo, then went to work for the railways when he got married as it was more secure. In Italy engineers get to use the title Ing before their name, in the same way Dr is used here, it's a well respected job over there.

rockmonkeysc

He didn't design Alfa electrics did he? If he did then he deserves no title at all

veronese68

RockmonkeySC wrote:

He didn't design Alfa electrics did he? If he did then he deserves no title at all

Thankfully not, mind you they probably only had about 6 wires on those days.

rockmonkeysc

6 wires all the same colour and too small, earthed to the parts of the car most likely to corrode.
Why didn't the Italian car industry die like the British car industry?

Angus Young

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Why didn't the Italian car industry die like the British car industry?

Because they were crap but interesting. British cars were just crap.

cooldad

True this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Rookie

Veronese68 wrote:

The Rookie wrote:

Many job titles are protected, such as doctor, dentist, vet', even veterinary nurse recently, engineer is not one of them, though it is in many other countries (Germany for example).

My Italian Grandfather was an engineer, worked for Nicola Romeo and went with him when he started Alfa Romeo, then went to work for the railways when he got married as it was more secure. In Italy engineers get to use the title Ing before their name, in the same way Dr is used here, it's a well respected job over there.

As it is in Germany...... Trouble is due to misuse the general public don't really know what an Engineer is.

rockmonkeysc

Angus Young wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Why didn't the Italian car industry die like the British car industry?

Because they were crap but interesting. British cars were just crap.

What about the Austin Allegro? Name one Italian car with a square steering wheel. They couldn't come up with something like that.

veronese68

RockmonkeySC wrote:

What about the Austin Allegro? Name one Italian car with a square steering wheel. They couldn't come up with something like that.

I believe the term they used was "Quartic", because having a square steering wheel would be just plain stupid.

Angus Young

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Name one Italian car with a square steering wheel.

La Ferrari.

rockmonkeysc

Angus Young wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Name one Italian car with a square steering wheel.

La Ferrari.

Ferrari copied the Allegro. They also copied the basic shape of the Austin Ambassador for the Ferrari Daytona.

Angus Young

Yes, I'm sure the Austin Allegro was their first point of reference when they were designing La Ferrari. And as for copying the Austin Ambassador for the Ferrari Daytona - only if you think having wheel at each corner is copying. You've clearly never seen an Ambassador, or never seen a Daytona. And then there's the small matter of the Daytona preceding the Ambassador by 14 years.

cooldad

Angus Young wrote:

Yes, I'm sure the Austin Allegro was their first point of reference when they were designing La Ferrari. And as for copying the Austin Ambassador for the Ferrari Daytona - only if you think having wheel at each corner is copying. You've clearly never seen an Ambassador, or never seen a Daytona. And then there's the small matter of the Daytona preceding the Ambassador by 14 years.

The Ambassador was designed before the Daytona, in 1955 actually. It just took a while to get into production.
There was a strike or something.

veronese68

Angus Young wrote:

Yes, I'm sure the Austin Allegro was their first point of reference when they were designing La Ferrari. And as for copying the Austin Ambassador for the Ferrari Daytona - only if you think having wheel at each corner is copying. You've clearly never seen an Ambassador, or never seen a Daytona. And then there's the small matter of the Daytona preceding the Ambassador by 14 years.

I always thought the Rover SD1 was the basis of the Daytona.

rockmonkeysc

cooldad wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

Yes, I'm sure the Austin Allegro was their first point of reference when they were designing La Ferrari. And as for copying the Austin Ambassador for the Ferrari Daytona - only if you think having wheel at each corner is copying. You've clearly never seen an Ambassador, or never seen a Daytona. And then there's the small matter of the Daytona preceding the Ambassador by 14 years.

The Ambassador was designed before the Daytona, in 1955 actually. It just took a while to get into production.
There was a strike or something.

A strike at British Leyland? That doesn't sound right.

tlw1

RockmonkeySC wrote:

cooldad wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

Yes, I'm sure the Austin Allegro was their first point of reference when they were designing La Ferrari. And as for copying the Austin Ambassador for the Ferrari Daytona - only if you think having wheel at each corner is copying. You've clearly never seen an Ambassador, or never seen a Daytona. And then there's the small matter of the Daytona preceding the Ambassador by 14 years.

The Ambassador was designed before the Daytona, in 1955 actually. It just took a while to get into production.
There was a strike or something.

A strike at British Leyland? That doesn't sound right.

I think they had one as a joke after they had received the quality award

rockmonkeysc

Only British Leyland cars were good enough to be able to sell in the horrible colours like baby turd green, prosthetic limb pink or projectile vomit yellow.