Getting annoyed....and griping. Lol.

simon_ls

Is anyone else in the same boat as me.?
I am looking for a new bike but I am sick and tired of everywhere I look each bike comes with bloody shitmanNo.
I understand that shitmaNO sells there group sets cheap so companies shove them on there bikes to make money.
But when are these people going to realise that some people actually want quality that lasts rather than cheap stuff that wears out quickly.
Can't they make a selection and put some campagnolo or sram on bikes so people can actually have a choice.?
If they don't then surely making the framesets available to buy more readily would be another option.

I am sure there are people now who will say how dare you criticise shitmaNO, but in all the time I have ridden bikes, mtb and road every piece of shitmaNO has been replaced due to wearing out in less than 6 months.
My sram and campagnolo have lasted years.
Plus to be honest shitmaNO really doesn't look particularly nice.

Gripe over. Lol

I suppose this is a way at letting off steam at the manufacturers for letting there customer base down at the expense of money signs.

sloppyschleckonds

Have you tried their fishing reels?

simon_ls

I don't fish. Lol.
Are they any good at that or do they wear out aswell?

Beave

Shimano make some great reels , I much prefer them over daiwa who are much more agricultural

Why don't you buy a bike that has Campag or Sram on it then ?
Then you wouldn't have to use Shimano or is that a bit of an obvious thing to do

ju5t1n

Buy a frame, a Campag groupset, and some wheels. Buy some nice handlebars, a stem and a saddle you like.

…and some allen keys

simon_ls

""Why don't you buy a bike that has Campag or Sram on it then ?
Then you wouldn't have to use Shimano or is that a bit of an obvious thing to do""


Because the manufacturers all seem to equip the bike with shimano, cheap and no choice.
Did you not read my post correctly?
My gripe is that they don't give you any choice only what makes them money rather than giving the customer a choice of value and longevity.
Sram red or record is not exactly a choice at the price people charge for carbon. A very over priced material.

kingstonian

Might help if you gave an indication of your budget.

Mark_P

Isn't it usually the bike shop that chooses the groupsets they sell?
I know when I was looking at upgrading two years ago I was offered the choice between Shimano and Sram. Opted for Shimano, as my entry-level 105 stuff was so nice to use. I could go on about how lovely their Ultegra stuff is, but it would probably annoy you.

kingstonian

Mark_P wrote:

Isn't it usually the bike shop that chooses the groupsets they sell?
I know when I was looking at upgrading two years ago I was offered the choice between Shimano and Sram. Opted for Shimano, as my entry-level 105 stuff was so nice to use. I could go on about how lovely their Ultegra stuff is, but it would probably annoy you.

Yeah, I love my Ultegra Di2, but I won't mention that either !!!!!

Beave

No , I read your post properly and I don't agree at all , in fact I have a bike shops website open now and im looking at lots of bikes with sram . Its only the fact you want a particular model in your price range with sram and it doesn't come with it , get over it and build one up yourself and then you can have whatever you would like .

vinnymarsden

Have a look at PaulsCycles....they have Cannondales and others reduced with full SRAM Red sets on....but I agree with other posters...buy a frame separately, YOUR choice of group set and away you go..or is it that you want the reductions that appear to go with a full bike and particular group set......the saying holds true....you have to cut your coat according to your cloth...if £2500 won't get you what you want separately then you might have to compromise......heaven forbid!!

I personally rate Shimano highly..had top of range stuff on both MTB and road...and NEVER had to replace in 6 months, but if you don't like it, then thats good...just don't buy it....but to rubbish it so completely is a bit of a rant really! LOl

t4tomo

Bianchi Intenso or sempre pro with veloce?

http://www.epic-cycles.co.uk/Bianchi_Intenso.html

LegendLust

You'd be better off looking for Italian bikes if you want Campag

http://www.all-about-the-bike.co.uk/bot ... -323-c.asp

http://www.chickencycles.co.uk/index.php?cat=1&sub=121

davem399

Forme bikes have several bikes with Campag in the £2 to £3K range.

smoggysteve

I love this illusion you have the somehow Sram or Campagnolo are somehow superior in quality.

I have had more maintenance issues with Campag then with shimano groupsets down the years. Yes they are more user friendly for maintenance but it shouldn't be because you have to.

If you don't like Shimano that's fair enough, but to suggest they are somehow inferior in quality is laughable

By the fact they outnumber both Sram and Campagnolo on bikes will mean there will be more people with problems or more will exist but per capita they are just as reliable.

lawrences

Ever tried Shimano rowing shoes? They're ok.

keith57

Shimano kit is fine. Fine if you don't like it either. Just buy a frame and build exactly what you want and stop whinging! Whinging is very unbecoming :-)

frazered

Plenty of shops inc lbs sell with campagnolo or shimano on here in the uk. Not familiar with France but would have thought easier to get campagnolo on the continent.

MountainMonster

I don't think Shimano is cheap, I think Campagnolo are just simply overpriced because of their 'following'.

diamonddog

OP, I agree it is hard to find the options in LBS at a decent price point. Epic Cycles might do one of their range as a special build or if you look at Rose and Canyon all 3 options including electronic are available.

mfin

All shimano looks sh1t. But, generally people don't have any taste so don't know any better, and hence they buy it. Look at all the awful looking cars people choose to buy or the awful looking clothes they wear. It's the norm for people to not have much taste.

darkhairedlord

madasahattersley wrote:

"Dude" is the sort of thing a weird opinionated 13 year old boy would say. As somebody who has owned groupsets from all 3 manufacturers they're all good enough for the only difference to be personal preference. I have no favourite.

FWIW the new Shimano 11 speed stuff is fantastic quality and value.

FTFY

However, shimano is excellent kit and OP comes across a bit of a nincompoop for his first post...

kingstonian

mfin wrote:

All shimano looks sh1t. But, generally people don't have any taste so don't know any better, and hence they buy it. Look at all the awful looking cars people choose to buy or the awful looking clothes they wear. It's the norm for people to not have much taste.

That's funny, cos I don't think SRAM looks any better than Shimano. And the thumb levers on Campag look shite to me too.

What matters most to me is for the kit to do the job and be reliable. But each to their own.

mfin

Kingstonian wrote:

mfin wrote:

All shimano looks sh1t. But, generally people don't have any taste so don't know any better, and hence they buy it. Look at all the awful looking cars people choose to buy or the awful looking clothes they wear. It's the norm for people to not have much taste.

That's funny, cos I don't think SRAM looks any better than Shimano. And the thumb levers on Campag look shite to me too.

Don't worry, that's because you don't have taste.

They all work.

charlie_potatoes

mfin wrote:

All shimano looks sh1t. But, generally people don't have any taste so don't know any better, and hence they buy it. Look at all the awful looking cars people choose to buy or the awful looking clothes they wear. It's the norm for people to not have much taste.

:roll:

LegendLust

mfin wrote:

All shimano looks sh1t. But, generally people don't have any taste so don't know any better, and hence they buy it. Look at all the awful looking cars people choose to buy or the awful looking clothes they wear. It's the norm for people to not have much taste.

Word

kingstonian

mfin wrote:

Kingstonian wrote:

mfin wrote:

All shimano looks sh1t. But, generally people don't have any taste so don't know any better, and hence they buy it. Look at all the awful looking cars people choose to buy or the awful looking clothes they wear. It's the norm for people to not have much taste.

That's funny, cos I don't think SRAM looks any better than Shimano. And the thumb levers on Campag look shite to me too.

Don't worry, that's because you don't have taste.

They all work.

Hahaha

Colinthecop

madasahattersley wrote:

Dude, "ShitmaNO" is the sort of thing a weird opinionated 13 year old boy would say.

And 'Dude' isn't....? :shock:

Personally I think my Shimano stuff is Rad and Sick. 8)

pippi_langsamer-2

People who go by the ridiculous notion that "Campag wears in, Shimano wears out", are generally clueless...

simon_ls

It's nice to start a clan war. Lol. It's like egg or chicken.

I think people are missing my point.

I will openly admit I don't like shimano, I never had, from riding with it to working in a bike shop for two years and seeing the problems with it wearing out from the people who came in with it.
I have had nothing but problems with it personally. For reliability or longevity.

My original post was aimed at the lack of choice made available from manufacturers by not supplying people with choice and instead just buying group sets cheap for the sake of profit.
For anyone who rides duraace or ultegra would you be willing to swap to Claris because that's what the bike comes with.
Would you not prefer to choose what you have?
There is a huge difference in quality provided by cheap group sets that they stick on bikes.
It would be better for manufacturers to have a choice of group sets available to customers rather than forcing shimano down our throats because they buy it cheaper than the others because of cheap labour costs and mass production.
Isn't quality better than crap.?
It works out dearer to build a bike but you get what you want, but surely we shouldn't be limited of choice by profit margins.

LegendLust

simon_ls wrote:

It's nice to start a clan war. Lol. It's like egg or chicken.

I think people are missing my point.

I will openly admit I don't like shimano, I never had, from riding with it to working in a bike shop for two years and seeing the problems with it wearing out from the people who came in with it.
I have had nothing but problems with it personally. For reliability or longevity.

My original post was aimed at the lack of choice made available from manufacturers by not supplying people with choice and instead just buying group sets cheap for the sake of profit.
For anyone who rides duraace or ultegra would you be willing to swap to Claris because that's what the bike comes with.
Would you not prefer to choose what you have?
There is a huge difference in quality provided by cheap group sets that they stick on bikes.
It would be better for manufacturers to have a choice of group sets available to customers rather than forcing shimano down our throats because they buy it cheaper than the others because of cheap labour costs and mass production.
Isn't quality better than crap.?
It works out dearer to build a bike but you get what you want, but surely we shouldn't be limited of choice by profit margins.

Go figure