Class snobbery?
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There is definitely a sense that women of working class background or culture are fair game in the press if they become famous. Fair game for ridicule, fair game for the invasion of their private lives and an attempt to destroy any self respect they might have until they are just tittle tattle fodder for the journos. You wouldn't see middle class women treated with the same disdain and disrespect in the press, your Joanna Lumleys and your Amanda Holdens.
The sting operation carried out on her was beyond belief. She was flown first class to Las Vegas, picked up by limos, plied with alcohol, offered a 3.5 million film contract and then in the midst of this subterfuge asked to help arrange a drug deal. This not being enough, the journalist then tried to force the driver to change his testimony to incriminate her.
That is not investigative journalism, that is a clear attempt to destroy someone's life to justify an expenses bill and to provide copy for the Sunday Newspaper. I hope Murdoch dies suffocating on penis.0 -
nathancom wrote:I hope Murdoch dies suffocating on penis.
You have deep rooted issues and perhaps should think about counselling.... :?0 -
Colinthecop wrote:nathancom wrote:I hope Murdoch dies suffocating on penis.
You have deep rooted issues and perhaps should think about counselling.... :?
Murdoch and the Murdoch press are probably the worst thing to ever happen to this country. They fuelled the Thatcherite egocentric hedonism that has pervaded every pore of this society and they set the benchmark globally of extremely bad and manipulative journalism. Red Tops = Insidious feedback loop into vacancy.
Even to this day, when I see someone buying the Scum, I want to interrogate them as to why they buy it. The problem is with a huge sector of our population, is that they buy the papers without thinking, titillated by the contents with no conception, no thought. a continuous desire to be entertained by cr4p and t1ts.
I agree with nathancom. So do I need counselling too?
"Most people would rather die before they think, most people do."seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
pinarello001 wrote:
I agree with nathancom. So do I need counselling too?
I guess that depends on your favoured method of someones demise, like a rusty bayonet to the medulla oblongata or perhaps even something more simple like under the wheels of a 44t truck.
But phallus suffocation screams of repressed issues to me.... :shock:0 -
Ah so you are a trained psychologist now? Nope, just a grade A tit.Colinthecop wrote:pinarello001 wrote:
I agree with nathancom. So do I need counselling too?
I guess that depends on your favoured method of someones demise, like a rusty bayonet to the medulla oblongata or perhaps even something more simple like under the wheels of a 44t truck.
But phallus suffocation screams of repressed issues to me.... :shock:
It was an expression of the complete lack of respect I have for him as an individual, for having made his money from wrecking the lives of other people in the public arena. He is the lowest of the low and I honestly wish nothing good for him at all. This doesn't even take into account his attempts to manipulate British politicians as a US citizen born in Australia. He is scum and the world would have been a better place without him for sure.0 -
nathancom wrote:Ah so you are a trained psychologist now? Nope, just a grade A tit.
I dont need to have studied anything at Uni to be alarmed by your desires to see elderly men gagging to death on cóck....
No seriously, it's weird. :shock:0 -
You are trying too hard...like normal.Colinthecop wrote:nathancom wrote:Ah so you are a trained psychologist now? Nope, just a grade A tit.
I dont need to have studied anything at Uni to be alarmed by your desires to see elderly men gagging to death on cóck....
No seriously, it's weird. :shock:
Of course you think it is perfectly fine to humiliate and destroy young women in their 20s who have done nothing to deserve their lives being ruined. Don't worry about denying it as you defended the journo above.
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Nathancom is 100% correct and I'm. It surprised that the only person arguing with him is a police officer.
What gets me is the fact that although it's known that police had great relationships with the press to tip them off over arrested celebrities, I'm yet to see a case of an officer arrested for taking money during service.
To me, this is criminal because UK law tells me I'm innocent until proven guilty so why do the police get away with this ?
I often hear of solicitors being blamed for the massive cost of bringing people to trial but with the lies the police are prepared to go to in order to convict people I would run that bill as high as needed in order to get the right outcome.
It's quite shameful really when people get kicks from others misfortune.Living MY dream.0 -
nathancom wrote:You are trying too hard...like normal.
Trying too hard at what...?
I was merely pointing out that your wish to see elderly men die by gagging on someones còck is a bit weird.
No, actually it's very weird.
But if that's what floats your boat....0 -
VTech wrote:It's quite shameful really when people get kicks from others misfortune.
By order of the brown nose, you too are 100% correct.
You've been framed was rubbish TV and that Lisa Riley made it worse.... Those who watched that really do need to hang their heads in shame.0 -
Colinthecop wrote:VTech wrote:It's quite shameful really when people get kicks from others misfortune.
By order of the brown nose, you too are 100% correct.
You've been framed was rubbish TV and that Lisa Riley made it worse.... Those who watched that really do need to hang their heads in shame.
You couldn't be further from the truth but I guess you've had more practice than me
Me and nathancom have had plenty of disagreements but I'm straight cut and he is completely correct in what he said and I simply agreed.
Also, your point over you've been framed is a good one, it gives an understanding on how you quantify your actions by referring to nonsense.
Btw, your not surfing the net whilst my taxes pay your wages are you ?
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VTech wrote:You couldn't be further from the truth but I guess you've had more practice than me
So you are not correct or YBF was infact good TV...?VTech wrote:Also, your point over you've been framed is a good one, it gives an understanding on how you quantify your actions by referring to nonsense.
You don't get irony, do you...? Or is it just when someone in a group cracks a joke, you find yourself the last person to laugh...?0 -
LOL I love it how the cop shows his nasty side, and rather than just own up to it, tries to find fault and jokes within everyone else.
I am really glad you live in the Scottish Highlands, and not down here. At least there you run a much lower risk of coming across many people and sharing your BS.0 -
MountainMonster wrote:LOL I love it how the cop shows his nasty side, and rather than just own up to it, tries to find fault and jokes within everyone else.
I am really glad you live in the Scottish Highlands, and not down here. At least there you run a much lower risk of coming across many people and sharing your BS.
I feel sorry for him, he works in a job where he has to watch his back, not only from the public but from his colleagues who will "dob" him in at the drop of a hat in order to gain a foothold on the ladder of promotion, and all for a job that shows little sign of giving the employees any real hope of prosperity that will give them the ability to have a much higher quality of life in comparison to the huge efforts needed to achieve such promotions.
School - policeman - no real effort = poor salary
School - policeman - huge effort - loss of social time - a real vocation = poor salary
I really can understand why they end up like colin, I would hate it.Living MY dream.0 -
MountainMonster wrote:LOL I love it how the cop shows his nasty side
Nasty side...? You think this is nasty...? Jeez, you dont get out much, do you...?VTech wrote:I really can understand why they end up like colin, I would hate it.
No, dont hate it there's really no need. My job is great, I make a difference, Do you often get people in tears thanking you for what you've done...? Have you got awards for saving peoples lives...? Can you claim you've ever actually done anything worthwhile...?
Or I could be like you and post crap and lies on the internet claiming to be some international jetset playboy when infact you reprogram ECUs in cars. A bit of a modern day spanner monkey in real life with ideas of grandeur. I'd hate that....VTech wrote:School - policeman - no real effort = poor salary
School - policeman - huge effort - loss of social time - a real vocation = poor salary
You do realise, there is more to life than salary and money, don't you...?
No actually daft question, you clearly dont. :roll:0 -
Colinthecop wrote:MountainMonster wrote:LOL I love it how the cop shows his nasty side
Nasty side...? You think this is nasty...? Jeez, you dont get out much, do you...?VTech wrote:I really can understand why they end up like colin, I would hate it.
No, dont hate it there's really no need. My job is great, I make a difference, Do you often get people in tears thanking you for what you've done...? Have you got awards for saving peoples lives...? Can you claim you've ever actually done anything worthwhile...?
Or I could be like you and post crap and lies on the internet claiming to be some international jetset playboy when infact you reprogram ECUs in cars. A bit of a modern day spanner monkey in real life with ideas of grandeur. I'd hate that....
Fair play to you, if you like it then thats all that counts, I can only comment on the fact that I wouldn't.
As for my job, there is no lies involved, I've never suggested anything other than what I do, I am a software programmer, always have been. I love the job and although I don't save lives, I do things that are worthwhile, I saved BT millions on my last project that was only last month honoured by the queen herself although I didn't collect the award as thats not my thing.
I get to travel the world and get paid for it, now to me thats brilliant. But yes, I am just a guy who just works. I don't own the cars I work on although I do own some nice cars. I don't tinker with spanners anymore, its more PC and cables these days. You are right on the grandeur comment, I work within a bling and bu))sh)t business so being a part of it comes with the territory but again, ill suffer that as I enjoy the work.
Do I think myself better than anyone else ? NO, I'm just a worker and pay my way, the same as you.
As an edit to my post above, I wanted to make it 100% clear that I am in no way trying to put down your job colin. I only dislike the circumstances surrounding the job in that I truly believe that all services are poorly paid and not looked after.
I can understand people taking these types of jobs and loping at them as a vocation and all the power to them but there is no reasoning in modern society as to why they shouldn't be looked after. I think this may be the reason as to why there are so many issues from within. Thats the same for the fire brigade, medical profession, police etc etc.Living MY dream.0 -
Colinthecop wrote:nathancom wrote:You are trying too hard...like normal.
Trying too hard at what...?
I was merely pointing out that your wish to see elderly men die by gagging on someones còck is a bit weird.
No, actually it's very weird.
But if that's what floats your boat....
What? This guys a policeman? So he's an adult?
His comment about Murdoch was a joke - and a funny one. What is weird is that I needed to clarify that for you. Keep digging though by all means.0 -
Don't know much about this woman but just in case any mods are about, I would like to state that she is not a slut. 0
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VTech wrote:MountainMonster wrote:LOL I love it how the cop shows his nasty side, and rather than just own up to it, tries to find fault and jokes within everyone else.
I am really glad you live in the Scottish Highlands, and not down here. At least there you run a much lower risk of coming across many people and sharing your BS.
I feel sorry for him, he works in a job where he has to watch his back, not only from the public but from his colleagues who will "dob" him in at the drop of a hat in order to gain a foothold on the ladder of promotion, and all for a job that shows little sign of giving the employees any real hope of prosperity that will give them the ability to have a much higher quality of life in comparison to the huge efforts needed to achieve such promotions.
School - policeman - no real effort = poor salary
School - policeman - huge effort - loss of social time - a real vocation = poor salary
I really can understand why they end up like colin, I would hate it.
Play the man, not the profession. The vast majority of police officers do a very good job in difficult and sometimes dangerous situations. Not all people's career paths are driven by salary. Just because you have possibly had bad experiences with the police and Colin may or may not be a bit of an ar$e at times it doesn't justify tarring all the police with the same brush!0 -
nathancom wrote:There is definitely a sense that women of working class background or culture are fair game in the press if they become famous. Fair game for ridicule, fair game for the invasion of their private lives and an attempt to destroy any self respect they might have until they are just tittle tattle fodder for the journos. You wouldn't see middle class women treated with the same disdain and disrespect in the press, your Joanna Lumleys and your Amanda Holdens.
The sting operation carried out on her was beyond belief. She was flown first class to Las Vegas, picked up by limos, plied with alcohol, offered a 3.5 million film contract and then in the midst of this subterfuge asked to help arrange a drug deal. This not being enough, the journalist then tried to force the driver to change his testimony to incriminate her.
That is not investigative journalism, that is a clear attempt to destroy someone's life to justify an expenses bill and to provide copy for the Sunday Newspaper. I hope Murdoch dies suffocating on penis.
Surely it's just anyone in the public eye they feel are fair game? Look how they have dealt with Sienna Miller, JK Rowling, Nigella Lawson and Charlotte Church - all more middle class than working class surely? The tabloid press didn't exactly cover themselves in glory in this instance but then they rarely do but the process seems to be one of building them up to knock them down. Ultimately they helped turn her briefly into one of the most famous faces in Britain despite a her minimal talent and then once they felt she was too big it was time to try to destroy her. It's not right but it's what tabloids do. However, to suggest they target people more depending on their 'class' is ridiculous - everyone is a target for them.0 -
Well they have different methods of targeting different people but they definitely rely on the general sense of class to attack a section of female celebrities. They encourage the audience to look down on them for their gaudy outfits, their outrageous behaviour, their poor taste. There is a clear narrative of encouraging the audience to feel superior and they have done the same to several celebrities. Of course these women are to some extent responsible simply by courting the fame but it doesn't mean they deserve what happened to Tulisa. It was an attempt to ruin someone's life in order to sell newspapers.Pross wrote:nathancom wrote:There is definitely a sense that women of working class background or culture are fair game in the press if they become famous. Fair game for ridicule, fair game for the invasion of their private lives and an attempt to destroy any self respect they might have until they are just tittle tattle fodder for the journos. You wouldn't see middle class women treated with the same disdain and disrespect in the press, your Joanna Lumleys and your Amanda Holdens.
The sting operation carried out on her was beyond belief. She was flown first class to Las Vegas, picked up by limos, plied with alcohol, offered a 3.5 million film contract and then in the midst of this subterfuge asked to help arrange a drug deal. This not being enough, the journalist then tried to force the driver to change his testimony to incriminate her.
That is not investigative journalism, that is a clear attempt to destroy someone's life to justify an expenses bill and to provide copy for the Sunday Newspaper. I hope Murdoch dies suffocating on penis.
Surely it's just anyone in the public eye they feel are fair game? Look how they have dealt with Sienna Miller, JK Rowling, Nigella Lawson and Charlotte Church - all more middle class than working class surely? The tabloid press didn't exactly cover themselves in glory in this instance but then they rarely do but the process seems to be one of building them up to knock them down. Ultimately they helped turn her briefly into one of the most famous faces in Britain despite a her minimal talent and then once they felt she was too big it was time to try to destroy her. It's not right but it's what tabloids do. However, to suggest they target people more depending on their 'class' is ridiculous - everyone is a target for them.
I do not think middle class celebrities are attacked in the same way until there is a clear story, such as the Nigella situation. Before that she was treated differently to a Jordan or a Jade Goody.
Also if you look at her 2 or 3 years ago and today she seems to be going down the Michael Jackson route of how to deal with fame. Very sad.0 -
This comes back to the question of why they decide to target someone for a sting. It's one thing to expose someone in the public eye who you discover is up to no good through old-fashioned journalistic investigation. It's another altogether to go to great lengths to create a situation in which someone breaks the law. There appears to have been no reason to think Tulisa was involved in drug dealing or in taking drugs (or am I missing something?), which raises the question of why they chose her for this particular sting. At that point it's not unreasonable to speculate that gender or class might be part of the reasoning.0
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Paulie W wrote:This comes back to the question of why they decide to target someone for a sting. It's one thing to expose someone in the public eye who you discover is up to no good through old-fashioned journalistic investigation. It's another altogether to go to great lengths to create a situation in which someone breaks the law. There appears to have been no reason to think Tulisa was involved in drug dealing or in taking drugs (or am I missing something?), which raises the question of why they chose her for this particular sting. At that point it's not unreasonable to speculate that gender or class might be part of the reasoning.
Maybe they chose her for the reasons I pointed to previously, she was daft enough to believe what she was being told, it's a ludicrous story that she fell for. That wouldn't point to gender of class as the 'story' still works for a tabloid if you insert any minor celeb in there so long as they are deluded enough to believe what they are being fed, it may just so happen that on this particular occasion she was the target for no other reason than she could be got to.0 -
verylonglegs wrote:she was daft enough to believe what she was being told, it's a ludicrous story that she fell for.
I would usually agree but they spent a fortune on lavishing her with praise, travel, 5 star hotels, VIP areas in clubs.
Why on earth unless there was something to it. Seems like an awful lot of expense for very little?
She kept declining when they wanted sex, and even did when they wanted drugs, initially, at which point she provided a phone number. I don't think that's even a crime (is knowing a drug dealer a crime and passing his details on deemed a crime? - conspiracy to supply drugs perhaps?).
I think it's pretty messed up to go through that length just to destroy someone. Anyone who says she got what she 'deserved' is pretty screwed up themselves.0 -
verylonglegs wrote:Paulie W wrote:This comes back to the question of why they decide to target someone for a sting. It's one thing to expose someone in the public eye who you discover is up to no good through old-fashioned journalistic investigation. It's another altogether to go to great lengths to create a situation in which someone breaks the law. There appears to have been no reason to think Tulisa was involved in drug dealing or in taking drugs (or am I missing something?), which raises the question of why they chose her for this particular sting. At that point it's not unreasonable to speculate that gender or class might be part of the reasoning.
Maybe they chose her for the reasons I pointed to previously, she was daft enough to believe what she was being told, it's a ludicrous story that she fell for. That wouldn't point to gender of class as the 'story' still works for a tabloid if you insert any minor celeb in there so long as they are deluded enough to believe what they are being fed, it may just so happen that on this particular occasion she was the target for no other reason than she could be got to.
So the conversation goes: "Tell you who we should target, Tulisa! She's a stupid bint who'll go for anything if she thinks it'll make her a star!" I don't want to labour the point but how do they know that? Is it based on real intelligence or an impression of what celebs like Tulisa are normally like?0 -
She's not a stupid bint though. That's the point. The same chap also trapped the Earl of Whereever on a similar charge - minor drug dealing offence.
Tulisa is the one who does all the negotiation and dealmaking for NDubz and is not to be taken lightly by all accounts, hence her nickname "The Female Boss".0 -
No intelligence needed, the way they attack is brutal and without thought.
These types of people (papers) get what they want no matter what the cost. Hacking a phone is the same as getting a password on a forum like this, or like viewing the private messages sent around (i.e) very simple so this allows for targeting.
Once they realised the power of a sting they have used it ever since, the more elaborate the better but the problem then arrises due to the cost of setting up the sting so the fall has to be greater.Living MY dream.0 -
I doubt it's without thought. Presumably you target someone because you're prety sure you're going to get a juicy story or because you think if you do get a story it is one that will really appeal to your audience. The logic of that thought is what's in question and whether it's driven by a sense that stories about working-class celebrities or about women ultimately make 'better' news.0
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Paulie W wrote:I doubt it's without thought. Presumably you target someone because you're prety sure you're going to get a juicy story or because you think if you do get a story it is one that will really appeal to your audience. The logic of that thought is what's in question and whether it's driven by a sense that stories about working-class celebrities or about women ultimately make 'better' news.
You would like to think that but this isn't the case.
None of these stings (sting is the wrong word, it suggests an infiltration) are already in situ, they are made to happen, the real word is entrapment. Even that is false to a level as it is more of a commissioned entrapment.Living MY dream.0 -
VTech wrote:Paulie W wrote:I doubt it's without thought. Presumably you target someone because you're prety sure you're going to get a juicy story or because you think if you do get a story it is one that will really appeal to your audience. The logic of that thought is what's in question and whether it's driven by a sense that stories about working-class celebrities or about women ultimately make 'better' news.
You would like to think that but this isn't the case.
None of these stings (sting is the wrong word, it suggests an infiltration) are already in situ, they are made to happen, the real word is entrapment. Even that is false to a level as it is more of a commissioned entrapment.
I think you misunderstand me - I realise these stings are made to happen I simply dont accept that targets are chosen randomly and believes that they are chosen using some kind of selection criteria.0
