Vayer

adamfo

Vayer has written thousands of word accusing Froome of being a mutant in one form or another because he averaged 412 watts in the 2013 tour.
Nibs averaged 417 and went into the race with some erratic figures. The French spotlight is really going to be pointing at Astana.

iainf72

But then you get French people, like Fred Grappe who say there is nothing too weird going on.

Vayer is basically Armstrong or Landis - He can't imagine a cycling without doping.

slim_boy_fat

iainf72 wrote:

But then you get French people, like Fred Grappe who say there is nothing too weird going on.

Vayer is basically Armstrong or Landis - He can't imagine a cycling without doping.

It's because if he does he becomes completely irrelevant. Lots of people made lots of money as a result of doping and I hazard a guess that almost as many have made a living from the fallout of doping. If the doping chat goes away it's career over for people like him.

ianwilliams

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

It's because if he does he becomes completely irrelevant. If the doping chat goes away it's career over for people like him.

Same for a lot of fans too. No financial cost but definitely an emotional cost. Can't see a cycling without doping - therefore it must be happening or their whole identity is gone.

The above doesn't mean doping isn't happening, nor does it mean it is. Its an irrelevance that you have to remember when reading cycling commentary.

powerbookboy

adamfo wrote:

Vayer has written thousands of word accusing Froome of being a mutant in one form or another because he averaged 412 watts in the 2013 tour.
Nibs averaged 417 and went into the race with some erratic figures. The French spotlight is really going to be pointing at Astana.

With some justification when you consider the management. Doesn't change the fact that nothing in Nib's performance was interstellar. Superhuman maybe (but let's be honest they're all that).

I think the telling factor is this was a win of small incremental gains. Not Armstrong-like full on face punches in a single stage. A little bit here, a little bit there adding up to a crushing win.

Maybe the French results will give them enough sponsorship money to complete on a level playing field. By which I mean camping up on Teide for weeks at a time. Equalise the financial 'doping' that Sky, Astana and Tinkov can access, and the current 'Cycling at 1.23 speeds' will become "cycling at 1 speed" and Vayer can then shut up and go home.

mm1

powerbookboy wrote:

adamfo wrote:

and Vayer can then shut up and go home.

Amen to that and (to quote the podcast boys), doping will be the proof of doping.

deejay

adamfo wrote:

Vayer has written thousands of word accusing Froome of being a mutant in one form or another because he averaged 412 watts in the 2013 tour.
Nibs averaged 417 and went into the race with some erratic figures. The French spotlight is really going to be pointing at Astana.

Vayer was the coach of Jean-Christophe Péraud who was 2nd today in Paris.
Don't ask me what that means for the former Festina Coach. :?:

Lanterne_Rogue

Pross wrote:

Is it my imagination or are morepeople appearing less inclined to accept Vayer's 'analysis' than they were last year and the year before or is it just that the course the race has taken this year means less loons have shown up on here? I've been in France for nearly two weeks so ironically after Les Planche stage I've only managed to watch the Hautacam stage which wouldn't have been a good two stages to watch as a cynic!

Around here, I get the impression that as anti-doping testing has got more rigorous over the last few years, the anti-doping hyperbole testing has also become somewhat tighter - a lot of people understand the methodology and abuses that have happened historically and are now refusing to believe that anyone's 'analysis' is clean without independent proof. Vayer is basically an alternate-universe Ricco...

r0bh

Really accurate these power estimates...

Kenny Pryde ‏@Kenny_Pryde 3m
Nibali's coach Paolo Slongo "His power on Hautacam was 5.8W/kg, not figures I've read. If it had been 6.1 even I would have been wondering."

adamfo

I wonder if Astana would be prepared to hand over Nibs power data to L'Equipe like Sky did with Froome ?

RichN95.

adamfo wrote:

I wonder if Astana would be prepared to hand over Nibs power data to L'Equipe like Sky did with Froome ?

Apparently they gave it to Gazzetta