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  • frisbee
    frisbee Posts: 691
    RichN95 wrote:
    Macaloon wrote:
    Worth highlighting that these power numbers are estimates. As Rich notes, all of the variables - wind, drafting, aero-efficiency, road surface (Friebe referred to tyre compounds being worth quite a few watts), etc - get lumped into the CdA fudge. It's pathetic to see people routinely ignore this.
    CdA is specifically the co-efficient of drag. So it assumes that everyone has the same position with the same kit worn in the same way. Which is monumental crap.

    It's even worse.

    CdA is coefficient of drag x frontal area

    So Quintana will have exactly the same drag as Johan van Summeren.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy · 3m 
    @lancearmstrong well L. Nous dis pas que tu mates pas un oeil sur les "frogs" vs Nibali au TDF ! T'en penses quoi ?



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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,116
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy · 3m 
    @lancearmstrong well L. Nous dis pas que tu mates pas un oeil sur les "frogs" vs Nibali au TDF ! T'en penses quoi ?



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    Anyone what?
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  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Calculators and stopwatches at the ready for Hautacam probably.
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    @festinaboy Jul 22
    Said that next week. Confirm. Schleck next off thx bio passport. http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/ar ... yer&xtcr=3 …

    Vayer reckons Andy Schleck might be in trouble. I haven't bothered to read the article or look into this though - Vayer, meh.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    That actual link is the same one posted above and doesn't implicate Schleck. Not sure what she is referring to when linking.

    Just searched twitter and just see this idiot posting this. No link.
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    Interesting rumours emanating from France about Andy schleck being the next biopassport guy.
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  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Festinaboy is Vayer BTW. Thanks for doing the donkey work on the link though;)
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    davidof wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy · 3m 
    @lancearmstrong well L. Nous dis pas que tu mates pas un oeil sur les "frogs" vs Nibali au TDF ! T'en penses quoi ?



    Anyone?
    Anyone what?

    Anyone have any idea what he's asking Amrstrong?

    My poor GCSE French isn't cutting it.
    Google Translate doesn't help



    L. We say not well that thou mates not an eye on the "frogs" vs Nibali TDF! What do you think
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Ha ok! Just assumed it was festinagirl when I first read it.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Think he is saying: don't tell us you aren't keeping an eye on the French vs Nibali in the TdF. What do you think?
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,116
    TailWindHome wrote:

    My poor GCSE French isn't cutting it.
    Google Translate doesn't help

    L. We say not well that thou mates not an eye on the "frogs" vs Nibali TDF! What do you think

    for info: mater is a vulgar form of "to look at" as in Qui mate le cul des filles, who is gawping at girls arses.
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  • adamfo
    adamfo Posts: 763
    So, none of the French riders are suspicious and all the other nationalities are..?

    http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 26xtcr%3D3
  • frisbee
    frisbee Posts: 691
    adamfo wrote:
    So, none of the French riders are suspicious and all the other nationalities are..?

    http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 26xtcr%3D3

    I think the theory is that French riders for about the last 20 year must be clean because they were so terrible.
  • mm1
    mm1 Posts: 1,063
    According to some inmates of the asylum, Nibali won't be popped because ASO don't want their race to go west when French riders are doing so well in it.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    mm1 wrote:
    According to some inmates of the asylum, Nibali won't be popped because ASO don't want their race to go west when French riders are doing so well in it.

    Even though they could well end up with a French winner if he was?
    Not exactly a gathering of potential Mensa members over there.
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  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    mm1 wrote:
    According to some inmates of the asylum, Nibali won't be popped because ASO don't want their race to go west when French riders are doing so well in it.

    Even though they could well end up with a French winner if he was?
    Not exactly a gathering of potential Mensa members over there.

    Understatement of the week.
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,116
    Gerard Holtz, the French Phil Ligget, keeps whittering on about how the French riders are "décomplexifié" this year. I wonder if that is some kind of code? Decomplexified about what exactly? Winning? Poe? Vampire blood?
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,116
    adamfo wrote:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 26xtcr%3D3
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    davidof wrote:
    Gerard Holtz, the French Phil Ligget, keeps whittering on about how the French riders are "décomplexifié" this year. I wonder if that is some kind of code? Decomplexified about what exactly? Winning? Poe? Vampire blood?

    They've spanked their inner chimp; dealing with any inferiority complex in the process? Bardet and Pinot attacking yellow jersey group and Péraud following with ease. Impressive sight in their great world showcase.
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  • adamfo
    adamfo Posts: 763
    Vayer said of Froome

    "As long as we do not have proof that he is OK, that he is not cheating, I will have too much doubt."

    Difficult to prove a negative I would of thought... what scientific qualifications does Vayer have ?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    adamfo wrote:
    Vayer said of Froome

    "As long as we do not have proof that he is OK, that he is not cheating, I will have too much doubt."

    Difficult to prove a negative I would have thought... what scientific qualifications does Vayer have ?
    He's a PE teacher. He doesn't even do the calculations himself.

    His profile is entirely reliant on doping, so he unsurpisingly frequently sees doping.
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    frisbee wrote:
    adamfo wrote:
    So, none of the French riders are suspicious and all the other nationalities are..?

    http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 26xtcr%3D3

    I think the theory is that French riders for about the last 20 year must be clean because they were so terrible.

    And if they weren't clean then they were even worse at doping :wink:

    To be honest it's been a long time coming. I tend to look at it as the rest of the peleton coming back to them to a degree as cycling has cleaned itself up rather than the reverse. It's less simplistic than this of course but that's the basis of my belief
  • adamfo
    adamfo Posts: 763
    RichN95 wrote:
    adamfo wrote:
    Vayer said of Froome

    "As long as we do not have proof that he is OK, that he is not cheating, I will have too much doubt."

    Difficult to prove a negative I would have thought... what scientific qualifications does Vayer have ?

    His profile is entirely reliant on doping, so he unsurpisingly frequently sees doping.

    Except when he was working at Festina when it was very much the case of.....

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    An interesting exchange I saw on twitter between Vayer and someone. Original French first - google translate second

    Vayer (festinaboy): Comme on l'avait hélas prévu, Nibali a été le seul à grimper en moins de 38mn... Sniirf.

    Fecoffey: @festinaboy Pourquoi "hélas" ??? Vous auriez préféré qu'ils soient une vingtaine comme en 1996 ??? C'est plutôt une bonne nouvelle, non !?!?

    Vayer: @fecoffey Vu comme ça, oui.
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________
    Vayer (festinaboy): As was unfortunately expected, Nibali was the only climb in less than 38 minutes ... Sniirf.

    Fecoffey: @ festinaboy Why "unfortunately"?? You would have preferred them to be like a score in 1996?? This is rather good news, is not it??

    Vayer: @ fecoffey Seen like that, yes.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    So they you have it. Slow times are 'unfortunate'. It pretty much sums up the anti-doping 'scientists'. No doping is bad for business. Retweets are on the decline. You can't charge a bear patrol tax if there are no bears.
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  • adamfo
    adamfo Posts: 763
    Vayer is at it again. Nibs superhuman.

    http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/ar ... 16918.html

    http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 16918.html
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Well at least he's equal opportunities on the superhuman claims. I mean if he only leveled that accusation at some riders and not others you might have to accuse him of being a hypocrite. :wink:
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Well at least he's equal opportunities on the superhuman claims. I mean if he only leveled that accusation at some riders and not others you might have to accuse him of being a hypocrite. :wink:

    I just love the fact he's basing his "conclusions" on some averages of estimated outputs over several climbs. Because being a physiology genius he surely has some incredible new validated scientific research that shows that there's a dependency on maximum effort on a climb on one day and maximum effort on a completely different climb a few days later. I'm keen to see the joined up thinking behind trying to establish a sustained effort maximum where there's such a large gap between the bits that are sustained....
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  • frisbee
    frisbee Posts: 691
    It's complete dribble. It's all so averaged, adjusted and normalised that the numbers could mean anything.

    He seems to be stating that the only thing that can make you go faster is drugs, not improvements in technology or training. It also assumes that all riders are physiologically equal.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    He's now dealing in averages, because early in the race he set the superhuman bar at 410 watts for lengthy climbs.
    All the French riders have now cleared that bar at least once during the race, so voilà! he turns it into an average score on the door for the lot.

    No wonder Clinicians admire his moveable maths.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Is it my imagination or are morepeople appearing less inclined to accept Vayer's 'analysis' than they were last year and the year before or is it just that the course the race has taken this year means less loons have shown up on here? I've been in France for nearly two weeks so ironically after Les Planche stage I've only managed to watch the Hautacam stage which wouldn't have been a good two stages to watch as a cynic!

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