Sky plan C protected rider ?
oldwelshman
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I was looking forward to see how Porte would perform in the A;ps, looks like he was not well, bad day or sick? Either way he has no chance now. Sky say they won't give up, I think they should just give all riders a free hand to try to win stages and have no protected rider, I thing G and Nieve have the form to win a stage or two,
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Both Nieve and Thomas have shown there class this year, probably more entertaining to see them have a go than Porte hanging on for a podium. It would have been more surprising to see him up there than failing after the year he's had.0
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Did you watch the Giro. The final week or so I have never seen Sky with so much heart. Brilliant for the fans. Let's hope we get the same in this Tour. They dont really have the same sort of riders in the Tour but Nieve is a killer if unleashed.
Level of competition makes a plan C almost pointless.Contador is the Greatest0 -
It's time to throw caution to the wind and go for stage wins. DB should point the finger each day and say "your turn"0
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frenchfighter wrote:Did you watch the Giro. The final week or so I have never seen Sky with so much heart. Brilliant for the fans. Let's hope we get the same in this Tour. They dont really have the same sort of riders in the Tour but Nieve is a killer if unleashed.
Level of competition makes a plan C almost pointless.
What he said, Porte is still the highest ranked Sky rider so Plan C is not a thing.
It'll be good to see if G or Neive get to go in a break soon and go for a stage win. Just put £2 on G for tomorrow at 66/10 -
I think you will. No-one is supporting anyone now. I'd back Nieve to win a stage, Thomas will have a crack, so will Kiryienka. Porte too maybe.frenchfighter wrote:Did you watch the Giro. The final week or so I have never seen Sky with so much heart. Brilliant for the fans. Let's hope we get the same in this Tour. They dont really have the same sort of riders in the Tour but Nieve is a killer if unleashed.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
I think you will. No-one is supporting anyone now. I'd back Nieve to win a stage, Thomas will have a crack, so will Kiryienka. Porte too maybe.frenchfighter wrote:Did you watch the Giro. The final week or so I have never seen Sky with so much heart. Brilliant for the fans. Let's hope we get the same in this Tour. They dont really have the same sort of riders in the Tour but Nieve is a killer if unleashed.
Ah yes forgot about Kiri. Sky have sucked all passion from that killer. His Giro win dedicated to Tondo is a major highlight for the cycling fan.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Really? He was always a mountain tugboat - that's why they signed him. Got a great win in the Vuelta last year. He's never won many races.frenchfighter wrote:Ah yes forgot about Kiri. Sky have sucked all passion from that killer.Twitter: @RichN950 -
sjmclean wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Did you watch the Giro. The final week or so I have never seen Sky with so much heart. Brilliant for the fans. Let's hope we get the same in this Tour. They dont really have the same sort of riders in the Tour but Nieve is a killer if unleashed.
Level of competition makes a plan C almost pointless.
What he said, Porte is still the highest ranked Sky rider so Plan C is not a thing.
It'll be good to see if G or Neive get to go in a break soon and go for a stage win. Just put £2 on G for tomorrow at 66/1
Nieve could conceivably be higher on GC now if he hadn't waited for Porte. Any GC ambitions are over for the team.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Really? He was always a mountain tugboat - that's why they signed him. Got a great win in the Vuelta last year. He's never won many races.frenchfighter wrote:Ah yes forgot about Kiri. Sky have sucked all passion from that killer.
I was thinking doomed breakaways ; )
I remember him winning thay Giro stage with Tinkoff.Contador is the Greatest0 -
FF's point is sound. Give the individual riders the chance and they are plenty good enough.
Sky have a plan (also apparently a Plan
but when that doesn't work out their expectations should be no worse than any other team.
It took 3 years to work (2 if they had done it right), the law if averages (or clean cycling) say that they can't dominate every year (especially if it has to be 'the' race).Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.0 -
Plan d. Get Leinders back
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I know . He can't climb. 0
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frenchfighter wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Really? He was always a mountain tugboat - that's why they signed him. Got a great win in the Vuelta last year. He's never won many races.frenchfighter wrote:Ah yes forgot about Kiri. Sky have sucked all passion from that killer.
I was thinking doomed breakaways ; )
I remember him winning thay Giro stage with Tinkoff.
where a young steve Cummings finished 4th0 -
Surely it's time for them to go all Europcar and just attack and if it works great if it doesn't at least they win some hearts and get some airtime. I'm sure the remaining riders would welcome the freedom too and it might reveal something about them.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Geraint Thomas deserves team support for a stage win attempt. But given his selfless workload so far, lack of high mountain credentials, and the career-threatening prospect of Kerrison's 'GC program', he'd do well to step off the gas for a bit....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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Thomas & Nieve both in the break today0
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It's about time they abandon their plans and do some racing, because so far we haven't seen any of them... a stage or two would make the glass half fullleft the forum March 20230
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At the point where all of Sky were dropped yesterday I thought.....I wonder if Wiggo and PeteK would still be in this lead group right now.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
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Like a couple of others, I thought Sky should have let Nieve carry on once Porte shot back, he clear;y went big time so should have just let G with him, he was never going to salvage yesterdays finish.
Big break today with G and Nieve in it so have two good options, G if the last climb not ridden too hard, Nieve if Perito pushes the pace.0 -
oldwelshman wrote:Like a couple of others, I thought Sky should have let Nieve carry on once Porte shot back, he clear;y went big time so should have just let G with him, he was never going to salvage yesterdays finish.
Big break today with G and Nieve in it so have two good options, G if the last climb not ridden too hard, Nieve if Perito pushes the pace.
Thomas had already been dropped when porte went pop. That he finished on the same time is because he caught them back up.
Unless I'm misremembering badly.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
You remember right.The_Boy wrote:oldwelshman wrote:Like a couple of others, I thought Sky should have let Nieve carry on once Porte shot back, he clear;y went big time so should have just let G with him, he was never going to salvage yesterdays finish.
Big break today with G and Nieve in it so have two good options, G if the last climb not ridden too hard, Nieve if Perito pushes the pace.
Thomas had already been dropped when porte went pop. That he finished on the same time is because he caught them back up.
Unless I'm misremembering badly.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:It's about time they abandon their plans and do some racing, because so far we haven't seen any of them... a stage or two would make the glass half full
They have no choice. It's stage wins or nothing.0 -
There's always the team classification. I'm sure a stage win or 2 will be the priority for SKy now but the
Current top 4 looks like this:
1 AG2R La Mondiale
2 Belkin-Pro Cycling Team +9:24
3 Team Sky +23:46
4 Astana Pro Team +29:20
Top 3 riders times count. AG2R definitely want it (but have white and GC concerns too). Belkin's mountain top 3 are Mollema, Ten Dam and Kruijswijk. Sky 2 in the break today but the peloton isn't allowing as much slack as I'd thought.0 -
Sky just don't know how to improvise on the road. They don't have the riders of the calibre of Contador or Nibs ,Talansky etc who can grab the moment. Look at the dauphine when the plan was for Froome to attack at the 1 k to go mark ,Finhaut-Emosson stage.
To late,,, Contador was already up the road, Sky could not react to Berties attack. It was not part of their plan.
Now for the first time they are up against in form riders they have no idea what to do.
Thomas and Porte are good riders but not great and certainly cannot climb consistently with the best. Froome would have been found out as well. Those days he lost time in the last week of last years tour did not matter because of his lead but up against Nibs or an inform Contador he would not be able to lose anytime and they would blow him away like Contador has already this year.0 -
Nice punctuation. Paging Mr Chasey.0
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Worth remembering that Sky's best rider this year bar Froome and PK is Nieve - a home grown Basque rider and his talent, his style and his performance has nothing to do with Sky.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:Worth remembering that Sky's best rider this year bar Froome and PK is Nieve - a home grown Basque rider and his talent, his style and his performance has nothing to do with Sky.
Bit harsh on Stannard that? Looked to be in for a good Classics campaign before a broken back ruled him out0
