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  • socrates
    socrates Posts: 453
    Joeblack, I think you were missing Colinthecop' s point. I think he was just saying that the Sora may be cheap but it works. He wasn't implying that the more expensive groupset didn't work. Just saying, don't mean no harm.
  • Joeblack
    Joeblack Posts: 829
    I wasn't trying to twist your words, I understand what you're getting at and it's a good point well made
    One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling
  • menthel
    menthel Posts: 2,484
    Joeblack wrote:
    I wasn't trying to twist your words, I understand what you're getting at and it's a good point well made

    No problem! :)
    RIP commute...
    Sometimes seen bimbling around on a purple Fratello Disc or black and red Aprire Vincenza.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,580
    I have Ultegra on my good bike and have just replaced the KMC chain after 5,800 kms but the cassette is still fine.

    I've never got near that on my other bike which has Tiagra (probably barely got to half the distance before needing chain and cassette).
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    I have Ultegra on my good bike and have just replaced the KMC chain after 5,800 kms but the cassette is still fine.

    I've never got near that on my other bike which has Tiagra (probably barely got to half the distance before needing chain and cassette).

    Ahh but we didn't get any salt on the roads this year!
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,580
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    I have Ultegra on my good bike and have just replaced the KMC chain after 5,800 kms but the cassette is still fine.

    I've never got near that on my other bike which has Tiagra (probably barely got to half the distance before needing chain and cassette).

    Ahh but we didn't get any salt on the roads this year!

    No salt, but loads of filthy muddy water. :D
  • Spatulala
    Spatulala Posts: 291
    keef66 wrote:
    Spatulala wrote:
    "I'm sorry but it's this kind of bs that annoys me when it comes to biking, to suggest that a cheaper groupset actually does a better job than a more expensive well engineered version"

    That kind of bs would annoy me too, if anyone had ever actually said it. Actually there is a very good reason to run 105 instead of Dura Ace. I've just bought a replacement chain and cassette for a shade over £30.

    I'm currently shoppin for a replacement 105 chain and cassette. Where did you buy from and how much over £30 is a shade??

    Sorry missed this one, prob too late but the cheapest was Wiggle (a first for me). Merlin had combined cassette and chain deals, but Wiggle worked out cheaper, think it was £34 something inc free delivery.
  • Justlearning1965
    Justlearning1965 Posts: 81
    Thanks Guys for all your help. I will go for a cheap groupset and see how i get on.
    I'm not really convinced the few extra letters or numbers, After the name will make a lot of difference to me.
    Last racing bike i had in the 80 s was a Reynolds 531 double butted frame and campagnolo nuovo record groupset.
    Be nice to see how much better components are now ?.
    All the best
    Max
  • 47p2
    47p2 Posts: 329
    Justlearning1965 wrote:
    ...and campagnolo nuovo record groupset.
    Be nice to see how much better components are now ?.


    I think you'll find even the cheapest groupsets are a massive improvement on the 80 Campagnolo Nuovo Record

    Be prepared to be amazed :D
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    47p2 wrote:
    Justlearning1965 wrote:
    ...and campagnolo nuovo record groupset.
    Be nice to see how much better components are now ?.


    I think you'll find even the cheapest groupsets are a massive improvement on the 80 Campagnolo Nuovo Record

    Be prepared to be amazed :D

    I would be - I've got some top line 80s Suntour stuff and it is better quality than modern kit and lighter. But maybe Nuovo Record was crap!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    IMHO, I would start and stop at ultegra currently if I was buying a new groupset. Think it's great value for 11spd with all the revisions made to shift quality and brakes. That view may be replaced by new 105 when it's out but ultegra looks a great buy currently.
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    True, the 6800 version of ultegra in both mechanical and Di2 formats is excellent.

    in terms of 10 speed transmissions the best bang for buck is 105. its worth getting simply because the parts are cheaper and are very reliable ( my current low end bike has it and has done 5000+ miles with out any real issues)
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    Justlearning1965 wrote:
    Hi Guys, I'm new to road bikes . Looking to build or buy. The question i have is.
    Is there a massive difference in ' shimano Sora' and 'shimano ultegra 6700'.
    Maybe one has an extra gear but 18 for me will be fine anyway.
    Is it all marking sh1te or is there some massive difference.
    I'm not really a 'weight weenie'. So will the cheaper end groupset be ok for me.
    Not looking at entering the tour or anything.
    All the best
    I think if you're not sure exactly what you want it's best to go relatively cheap and get Sora or Tiagra. If you want to get a better performing groupset later you'll probably be wanting something like Ultegra 6800 rather than 6700 so I would hold off on Ultegra for now, unless you're getting it very cheap! Otherwise I'd probably go for Tiagra, although I think the new Sora is equivalent to old 9 speed Tiagra which kept me happy for 3 years!
  • Justlearning1965
    Justlearning1965 Posts: 81
    Thanks for the help guys. I went campag xenon 10 speed shifters. They are only £70.
    What i wanted to do was use the complete groupset but the rear mech, Seems to be made of plastic.
    So i dont want it. Am i right in assuming, As long as the shifters and cassette are the same (Campag). I can
    use anything between (rear mech, Front mech, Chain set & chain.
    The 105 rear mech has good reviews on it. So i could go for that.
    Thanks all.
    All the best
    Max
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    I'm a little confused. You bought Campagnolo Xenon shifters but then decided you didn't like the rest of that groupset so now you want to pair them with a Shimano 105 rear derailleur - Is that correct?
    I'm not entirely sure but I don't believe the cable pull ratios on a campag shifter will be compatible with Shimano groups. Why are you doing this mix and match? Why do you not want the Xenon derailleur? I don't know what it's made of but I'd be very surprised if it's not fit for purpose!
    If you're trying to save money then it may be possible to do so by buying parts separately as and where you see deals but unless you know exactly what you're doing don't start trying to match up parts not designed to work together. You'll probably end up either spending more in the long run to correct problems or end up with a system that just doesn't work right. I'd rather ride a bike with a 9 speed Sora groupset that works than a mish mash of 11speed DuraAce, Super Record and SRAM Red that doesn't.
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    Justlearning1965 wrote:
    Thanks for the help guys. I went campag xenon 10 speed shifters. They are only £70.
    What i wanted to do was use the complete groupset but the rear mech, Seems to be made of plastic.
    So i dont want it. Am i right in assuming, As long as the shifters and cassette are the same (Campag). I can
    use anything between (rear mech, Front mech, Chain set & chain.
    The 105 rear mech has good reviews on it. So i could go for that.
    Thanks all.
    All the best
    Max

    Shifters, cassette and mechs front and rear need to be the same. Suggest you get Veloce mechs to go with your shifters.
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    Spatulala wrote:
    keef66 wrote:
    Spatulala wrote:
    "I'm sorry but it's this kind of bs that annoys me when it comes to biking, to suggest that a cheaper groupset actually does a better job than a more expensive well engineered version"

    That kind of bs would annoy me too, if anyone had ever actually said it. Actually there is a very good reason to run 105 instead of Dura Ace. I've just bought a replacement chain and cassette for a shade over £30.

    I'm currently shoppin for a replacement 105 chain and cassette. Where did you buy from and how much over £30 is a shade??

    Sorry missed this one, prob too late but the cheapest was Wiggle (a first for me). Merlin had combined cassette and chain deals, but Wiggle worked out cheaper, think it was £34 something inc free delivery.

    That's OK; not too late at all, I've been spending on Assos bibshorts and a Garmin Touring instead.

    Wiggle's good; I get cashback through work :D
  • Tiltzey Boy
    Tiltzey Boy Posts: 120
    I recently upgraded my daily commuter (2010 Giant Defy 3) from Sora (9 speed/Standard Double) to 10 spd 105/Tiagra mix.

    The shifters, front/rear mechs, chain and cassette are all 105, and the crankset/chainrings are Tiagra.

    I noticed the difference in smoothness and preciseness of shifting, quieter running, and all round much better feeling, plus the "tidier" cables on the bars that someone mentioned earlier.
    Basically the difference felt like night and day to me, and considering I got the whole groupset cobbled together by buying off the classifieds on here and a bargain brand new crankset (£30) on the Bay, it cost a grand total of around £200, which at the time was way cheaper than buying the whole thing new from the likes of Merlin/Wiggle etc.

    What I'm trying to say, is that if you hunt around a bit and go for some second hand bits (especially shifters - being the most expensive part), you can get a great groupset together for not a lot of money!

    I'm just sayin'!!!!!!!!!

    :D
    Scott CR1 Pro (Build in progress!!)
    Giant Defy 3
  • Justlearning1965
    Justlearning1965 Posts: 81
    Thank for the help. Really appreciate it.
    I will indeed go for the campag veloce rear mech.
    The price of the 10 speed stuff, Seems to be dropping daily.
    All the best
    Max
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Tiltzey Boy wrote:
    I noticed the difference in smoothness and preciseness of shifting, quieter running, and all round much better feeling, plus the "tidier" cables on the bars that someone mentioned earlier.

    I wonder how much of the above, tidier bars excepted, would have applied if you'd replaced your old Sora with a new Sora groupset of exactly the same spec.... :wink:
    Faster than a tent.......
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    Rolf F wrote:
    Tiltzey Boy wrote:
    I noticed the difference in smoothness and preciseness of shifting, quieter running, and all round much better feeling, plus the "tidier" cables on the bars that someone mentioned earlier.

    I wonder how much of the above, tidier bars excepted, would have applied if you'd replaced your old Sora with a new Sora groupset of exactly the same spec.... :wink:
    Agreed!
    I think the difference between groupsets is often overstated. I've just switched from old 9 speed Tiagra on my old bike to new 11speed Ultegra 6800 on my new one. It's a bit smoother and more precise feeling. There's a noticeable improvement in the chainring changes. However even this jump in levels isn't such a big difference in performance that it would significantly change you ride experience. Night and day seems an overstatement of yhe difference between any of the groupsets once you get to Sora and above.

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