Upgrading 8 speed 2300 to 10 speed - Where do I start ??

slowbike

NewTTer wrote:

chrisgal wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it I don't think anyone else took it as sarcasm apart from the poster.

Not really your place to comment is it

It's everyone's place to comment - that's why it's called a forum ...

but as this is detracting from the original topic why don't we just forget about it and carry on?

NewTTer

markhewitt1978 wrote:

Because it is pretty amazing, just over an hour to change an entire groupset is the speed you would expect from a pro mechanic with all the exact tools just to hand.

Its a bicycle not a Saturn V rocket
Chain breaker remove old chain
Fit RD 1 bolt to remove old, 1 both to pit on new
Fit FD as above
Fit front brake as above
Fit rear brake as above
2 undoes with crank puller to remove old chainset
Bottom bracket 2 undoes one either side to remove old, then 2 to fit new
Depending on chainset assume Shimano HT, 2 allen screws and shimano preload bolt
Fit new chain
Strip off bar tape
2 bolt undoes for STI removal
2 bolt tightens to fit new STI's
Cable up with new inners and outers
Adjust Gears and brakes
Re do Bar tape.

NewTTer

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

chrisgal wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it I don't think anyone else took it as sarcasm apart from the poster.

Not really your place to comment is it

It's everyone's place to comment - that's why it's called a forum ...

but as this is detracting from the original topic why don't we just forget about it and carry on?

So practice what you preach

NewTTer

OP if you get stuck give me a shout, I will help out if I can

slowbike

NewTTer wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

chrisgal wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it I don't think anyone else took it as sarcasm apart from the poster.

Not really your place to comment is it

It's everyone's place to comment - that's why it's called a forum ...

but as this is detracting from the original topic why don't we just forget about it and carry on?

So practice what you preach

So so touchy ...

chrisgal

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

chrisgal wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it I don't think anyone else took it as sarcasm apart from the poster.

Not really your place to comment is it

It's everyone's place to comment - that's why it's called a forum ...

but as this is detracting from the original topic why don't we just forget about it and carry on?

So practice what you preach

So so touchy ...

lol…….prozac anyone????

NewTTer

Chrisgal and Slowbike a little bit of advice;
Better to just let people THINK you are a useless pair of clowns, rather than keep making posts on a public forum and dispelling all myth!

slowbike

NewTTer wrote:

Chrisgal and Slowbike a little bit of advice;
Better to just let people THINK you are a useless pair of clowns, rather than keep making posts on a public forum and dispelling all myth!

You better stop then ....

chrisgal

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

Chrisgal and Slowbike a little bit of advice;
Better to just let people THINK you are a useless pair of clowns, rather than keep making posts on a public forum and dispelling all myth!

You better stop then ....

…….another keyboard warrior that needs to relax :shock:

Colinthecop

Lots of people offering help, which is good to see, if I pop down to Essex will someone fit a new groupset with me as it'll be my first time...?

I can bring beer and a selection of illegal drugs - but they're probably best consumed afterwards.

8)

fatsmoker

Colinthecop wrote:

I can bring beer and a selection of illegal drugs - but they're probably best consumed afterwards.

Is that what happens to all the gear you confiscate from scallywags?

pinno

fatsmoker wrote:

Colinthecop wrote:

I can bring beer and a selection of illegal drugs - but they're probably best consumed afterwards.

Is that what happens to all the gear you confiscate from scallywags?

Yay, some action.

nathancom

chrisgal wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

Chrisgal and Slowbike a little bit of advice;
Better to just let people THINK you are a useless pair of clowns, rather than keep making posts on a public forum and dispelling all myth!

You better stop then ....

…….another keyboard warrior that needs to relax :shock:

I think you two need to get off @NewTTer's back. It can only be jealousy that makes you post like this????

NewTTer, don't take this stuff man, give as good as you get.

chrisgal

nathancom wrote:

chrisgal wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

Chrisgal and Slowbike a little bit of advice;
Better to just let people THINK you are a useless pair of clowns, rather than keep making posts on a public forum and dispelling all myth!

You better stop then ....

…….another keyboard warrior that needs to relax :shock:

I think you two need to get off @NewTTer's back. It can only be jealousy that makes you post like this????

NewTTer, don't take this stuff man, give as good as you get.

I thought common manners was the issue but there you go jealousy it is then. :?

NewTTer

nathancom wrote:

chrisgal wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

Chrisgal and Slowbike a little bit of advice;
Better to just let people THINK you are a useless pair of clowns, rather than keep making posts on a public forum and dispelling all myth!

You better stop then ....

…….another keyboard warrior that needs to relax :shock:

I think you two need to get off @NewTTer's back. It can only be jealousy that makes you post like this????

NewTTer, don't take this stuff man, give as good as you get.

But ask yourself are these sort of idiots really worth it?, no not really and everyone can see what wasters they are, as you have

slowbike

Oh do carry on with the personal insults.

It's not like you have a history of doing that at all.

Your fuse must be extremely short - do you get angry whilst riding too?

I just suggested to you that Chrisgal has a right to comment despite your protest and all of a sudden I am the waster?

I had thought you'd seen sense and dropped it - but obviously you've less sense than I had credited you with. Ohbwepl - no helping some ppl.

NewTTer

Slowbike wrote:

Oh do carry on with the personal insults.

It's not like you have a history of doing that at all.

Your fuse must be extremely short - do you get angry whilst riding too?

I just suggested to you that Chrisgal has a right to comment despite your protest and all of a sudden I am the waster?

I had thought you'd seen sense and dropped it - but obviously you've less sense than I had credited you with. Ohbwepl - no helping some ppl.

Yawn

ugo.santalucia

You all chill out and go back to the topic if there is anything to add for the benefit of the OP...
The "trolls" stop trolling and mr "My Nemesis" stop insulting other users

repeatoffender

I found a groupset on Ribble really cheap. Depends how much you want to spend?

Kieran_Burns

NewTTer wrote:

Its a bicycle not a Saturn V rocket
Chain breaker remove old chain
Fit RD 1 bolt to remove old, 1 both to pit on new
Fit FD as above
Fit front brake as above
Fit rear brake as above
2 undoes with crank puller to remove old chainset
Bottom bracket 2 undoes one either side to remove old, then 2 to fit new
Depending on chainset assume Shimano HT, 2 allen screws and shimano preload bolt
Fit new chain
Strip off bar tape
2 bolt undoes for STI removal
2 bolt tightens to fit new STI's
Cable up with new inners and outers
Adjust Gears and brakes
Re do Bar tape.

To be fair, it's quite clear that you've never actually swapped a complete groupset before if you think that is the list of tasks.

Using your post as a template let me give an accurate version

Unpack everything in the kitchen
Watch small important part ping off under the fridge
Move fridge, get shouted at by wife, clean everything around fridge, order replacement small pinging part

Look for chain breaker, order new chain breaker, find old chain breaker, cancel order for new new chain breaker
Chain breaker remove old chain
Lift old chain from new trainers that were white, put to one side
Fit RD 1 bolt to remove old, put to one side
Look for extender bar cursing forgetting to use copper slip the last time.
1 bolt to put on new
Remove RD, copper slip bolt, re-fit. Feel smug
Stop feeling smug, wash hands remember to put on gloves...

Fit FD as above
Wonder why it is so hard to remember to remove the cable from the FD...
Put to one side
Remove FD, wrap tape around frame to protect
Remove FD, use copper slip.
Fit FD, fit cable.
Remove cable... brake levers... swear several times

Fit front brake as above
Fit rear brake as above
Remove front brake, realise it is rear.
Agonise for 30 minutes wondering why....

2 undoes with crank puller to remove old chainset

Bottom bracket 2 undoes one either side to remove old, then 2 to fit new
Order cheap BB removal tool thinking the expensive park tools option is a waste
Remove new BB, Fit large poster on wall saying: COPPER SLIP
Fit new BB
Depending on chainset assume Shimano HT, 2 allen screws and shimano preload bolt
Look at preload bolt. Look at tools. Look online at park tools BB removal tool. Swear. Order tool
Wonder what the weird shaped bit of plastic on crank is for, conclude it's packing material and dispose
Fit chainset
Remove chainset, re-fit with cranks OPPOSITE each other...
Remove chainset, burn new poster
Fit chainset
Empty bin looking for essential spacer
Fit new chain
Lie chain on big ring, feed chain through cassette, lie chain on big ring, lie chain on big ring, liegoddamnflamingchainthatwillnotsitsoddingstill on big ri....
Strip off bar tape
2 bolt undoes for STI removal
put to one side
2 bolt tightens to fit new STI's
Fit new STIs... agonise for 30 minutes wondering if they are aligned properly, adjust at least 10 times, cursing not doing one at time.
Cable up with new inners and outers
Look at cables. Look at STI levers. Look at cables. Spend 5 minutes poking cables into various parts of the levers to see if this is where they come out. Replace split cables.
Swap brake and gear cables, hoping no-one noticed

Lie chain on big ring, feed chain one handed through cassette and RD. Link chain and happily spin. Wonder what noise from RD is. Break chain and fit UNDER RD guide

Adjust Gears and brakes
Set gears PERFECTLY, feel smug. Run RD through entire travel. Extract chain from gap between cassette and frame. Reset limiter screw. No gears work. Use barrel adjuster, work out how to refit barrel adjuster. Rentension cable, then use barrel adjuster
Re do Bar tape
Wrap bar tape, notice gap, unwrap bar tape, wrap bar tape, have gap noticed by someone else, unwrap bar tape, wrap bar tape. Look at odd length of bar tape. Look at instructions, unwrap bar tape. Fit length of tape to levers. Wrap bar tape. Unwrap bar tape. Tape cables to bar in correct position and wrap bar tape

Fit pedals
Remove pedals from old chainset wishing you had done so when it was on the bike
Remember copper slip without prompting
Take bike for test ride. No gears work. Attempt to adjust gears, all index perfectly. Having done nothing take bike for test ride, all gears work.

Look at floor of garage and realise that 'one side' was the entire garage floor and it is now covered in small dirty bike parts. Some of which will never be found....

pinno

Spot on Keiran. +++1

ballysmate

Kieran_Burns wrote:

NewTTer wrote:

Its a bicycle not a Saturn V rocket
Chain breaker remove old chain
Fit RD 1 bolt to remove old, 1 both to pit on new
Fit FD as above
Fit front brake as above
Fit rear brake as above
2 undoes with crank puller to remove old chainset
Bottom bracket 2 undoes one either side to remove old, then 2 to fit new
Depending on chainset assume Shimano HT, 2 allen screws and shimano preload bolt
Fit new chain
Strip off bar tape
2 bolt undoes for STI removal
2 bolt tightens to fit new STI's
Cable up with new inners and outers
Adjust Gears and brakes
Re do Bar tape.

To be fair, it's quite clear that you've never actually swapped a complete groupset before if you think that is the list of tasks.

Using your post as a template let me give an accurate version

Unpack everything in the kitchen
Watch small important part ping off under the fridge
Move fridge, get shouted at by wife, clean everything around fridge, order replacement small pinging part

Look for chain breaker, order new chain breaker, find old chain breaker, cancel order for new new chain breaker
Chain breaker remove old chain
Lift old chain from new trainers that were white, put to one side
Fit RD 1 bolt to remove old, put to one side
Look for extender bar cursing forgetting to use copper slip the last time.
1 bolt to put on new
Remove RD, copper slip bolt, re-fit. Feel smug
Stop feeling smug, wash hands remember to put on gloves...

Fit FD as above
Wonder why it is so hard to remember to remove the cable from the FD...
Put to one side
Remove FD, wrap tape around frame to protect
Remove FD, use copper slip.
Fit FD, fit cable.
Remove cable... brake levers... swear several times

Fit front brake as above
Fit rear brake as above
Remove front brake, realise it is rear.
Agonise for 30 minutes wondering why....

2 undoes with crank puller to remove old chainset

Bottom bracket 2 undoes one either side to remove old, then 2 to fit new
Order cheap BB removal tool thinking the expensive park tools option is a waste
Remove new BB, Fit large poster on wall saying: COPPER SLIP
Fit new BB
Depending on chainset assume Shimano HT, 2 allen screws and shimano preload bolt
Look at preload bolt. Look at tools. Look online at park tools BB removal tool. Swear. Order tool
Wonder what the weird shaped bit of plastic on crank is for, conclude it's packing material and dispose
Fit chainset
Remove chainset, re-fit with cranks OPPOSITE each other...
Remove chainset, burn new poster
Fit chainset
Empty bin looking for essential spacer
Fit new chain
Lie chain on big ring, feed chain through cassette, lie chain on big ring, lie chain on big ring, liegoddamnflamingchainthatwillnotsitsoddingstill on big ri....
Strip off bar tape
2 bolt undoes for STI removal
put to one side
2 bolt tightens to fit new STI's
Fit new STIs... agonise for 30 minutes wondering if they are aligned properly, adjust at least 10 times, cursing not doing one at time.
Cable up with new inners and outers
Look at cables. Look at STI levers. Look at cables. Spend 5 minutes poking cables into various parts of the levers to see if this is where they come out. Replace split cables.
Swap brake and gear cables, hoping no-one noticed

Lie chain on big ring, feed chain one handed through cassette and RD. Link chain and happily spin. Wonder what noise from RD is. Break chain and fit UNDER RD guide

Adjust Gears and brakes
Set gears PERFECTLY, feel smug. Run RD through entire travel. Extract chain from gap between cassette and frame. Reset limiter screw. No gears work. Use barrel adjuster, work out how to refit barrel adjuster. Rentension cable, then use barrel adjuster
Re do Bar tape
Wrap bar tape, notice gap, unwrap bar tape, wrap bar tape, have gap noticed by someone else, unwrap bar tape, wrap bar tape. Look at odd length of bar tape. Look at instructions, unwrap bar tape. Fit length of tape to levers. Wrap bar tape. Unwrap bar tape. Tape cables to bar in correct position and wrap bar tape

Fit pedals
Remove pedals from old chainset wishing you had done so when it was on the bike
Remember copper slip without prompting
Take bike for test ride. No gears work. Attempt to adjust gears, all index perfectly. Having done nothing take bike for test ride, all gears work.

Look at floor of garage and realise that 'one side' was the entire garage floor and it is now covered in small dirty bike parts. Some of which will never be found....

arthur_scrimshaw

To add to Keiran's list (when I'm doing this) measure cable outers, re measure cable outers. Re re measure outers, cut outers. Fit outers, realise that the outers are too short.

markhewitt1978

Post of the year! Pretty much sums up my experience of bike maintenance too!

pinno

markhewitt1978 wrote:

Post of the year! Pretty much sums up my experience of bike maintenance too!

Ah but it's all fun. I'd rather be searching for that pinging bit under the fridge and incurring the wrath from the OH than actually pay someone to do it.

Kieran_Burns

pinarello001 wrote:

markhewitt1978 wrote:

Post of the year! Pretty much sums up my experience of bike maintenance too!

Ah but it's all fun. I'd rather be searching for that pinging bit under the fridge and incurring the wrath from the OH than actually pay someone to do it.

I found a dead mouse when I went looking, naturally the pinging bit was lodged by its arse.

Apologies for the somewhat fractured original post.. I did kind of rush it and miss some important parts out: such as the cable outers as mentioned, running the cables under the BB while crossing them, then missing the bb guide, fixing the cable when the STIs aren't in the lowest postion, adjusting the brake blocks when you've just greased something, resting your hand on the white saddle after you've just greased something, resting your hands on the white bar tape after you've just greased something.

I've not even mentioned the fun and games over swapping the rear cassette, oh the fun you can have with a chain whip and a seized retaining nut. Not to mention the single step rings that you just know you put in the wrong order, AFTER you do all the rest, and what is this extra black ring for?

pinno

Kieran_Burns wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

markhewitt1978 wrote:

Post of the year! Pretty much sums up my experience of bike maintenance too!

Ah but it's all fun. I'd rather be searching for that pinging bit under the fridge and incurring the wrath from the OH than actually pay someone to do it.

I found a dead mouse when I went looking, naturally the pinging bit was lodged by its arse.

Apologies for the somewhat...something.

I've not even...ring for?

You got serious street cred from that post, now you're just milking it

Kieran_Burns

pinarello001 wrote:

Kieran_Burns wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

markhewitt1978 wrote:

Post of the year! Pretty much sums up my experience of bike maintenance too!

Ah but it's all fun. I'd rather be searching for that pinging bit under the fridge and incurring the wrath from the OH than actually pay someone to do it.

I found a dead mouse when I went looking, naturally the pinging bit was lodged by its arse.

Apologies for the somewhat...something.

I've not even...ring for?

You got serious street cred from that post, now you're just milking it