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fcukwitfcukwit Posts: 63
edited June 2014 in Amateur race
Sorry if this has been done, checked search but that came back with all sorts of boll#cks...

Raced on GP4000s last season and got on well with them. I split a couple of almost new ones in a few races (just luck, as I had trained on previous gp 4000s for well over a season). Just went on Wiggle to get a new set and noticed that the new ones 4000 II s are extortionately expensive for what looks like no real difference. I know the old 4000s can still be had, but it got me thinking about trying some different tyres, strictly for racing. Anyone used the PRO 4, as they can be had for about £45 a pair and seem to have good reviews? Or any others I should look at testing? I race circuits but mainly road, most of which are the usual UK censored surfaces.
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  • adamleechadamleech Posts: 45
    I raced last year on on Schwarble Ultremo ZX 23mm on Mavic Kysrium Equipe's no punctures or worries. Stuck some Conti 4000 s 25's for winter and raced down at Brighton on them and they went fine. Have just upgraded wheels to the Shamal Ultra's as my race wheels and gone for tubs. Not decided what tubs I'll use though yet. I'd return to the Schwarbles though if this helps?
  • antflyantfly Posts: 3,448
    Very happy with my pro 4 on the front, it corners very well, with conti on the back {I think contis roll slightly faster} but if it was for racing maybe try the pro4 comp.
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    Stick with the gp4000 I reckon, it really is a great all round tyre that you can depend on.
    Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com
  • LegendLustLegendLust Posts: 1,022
    Get some Veloflex open tubulars for racing
  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    Why?

    You can't win a race if you don't get to the finish, veloflex (I bought some but decided not to bother) are very thin, and I wouldn't think you'd get long out of them on british roads in the wet etc.
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  • How about a pair of GP attack2/force2?
    Just had a pair delivered from Germany for 59quid
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  • markos1963markos1963 Posts: 3,724
    Corsa Open CX, lovely riding tyre with loads of grip in corners. They come up slightly big which is good as it improves rolling resistance. I use 25mm on my RR bike as I have the clearance.
  • fcukwitfcukwit Posts: 63
    cheers for all the suggestions fellas
  • LegendLustLegendLust Posts: 1,022
    okgo wrote:
    Why?

    You can't win a race if you don't get to the finish, veloflex (I bought some but decided not to bother) are very thin, and I wouldn't think you'd get long out of them on british roads in the wet etc.

    Well you should have bothered. I race on their tubs and train on their open tubulars, I admit I opted for their more 'robust' choices but have only suffered one puncture in 2 seasons. And wear rate is pretty good.
  • racingcondorracingcondor Posts: 1,434
    Go with the Pro4. I used them for a while and they grip well wet or dry, give a slightly better ride than the Conti and punture resistance seems to be up there with the GP4000S.

    Much as I love the ride on Vittoria and Veloflex I wouldn't expect them to last in the wet on UK roads.
  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    markos1963 wrote:
    Corsa Open CX, lovely riding tyre with loads of grip in corners. They come up slightly big which is good as it improves rolling resistance. I use 25mm on my RR bike as I have the clearance.

    Again though, not very robust and outright dangerous in the wet. Really awful in the wet.
    Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 6,027
    I had a pair of Vittoria Open Corsa something or other, gum wall, they were fragile but I couldn't have any complaints about the grip. I don't think you can go wrong with ProRace though, good mixture of grip, low rolling resistance and reasonably long lasting for a race tyre.

    The only one I'd avoid is the Schwalbe Ultremo.
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  • ProssPross Posts: 23,901
    okgo wrote:
    markos1963 wrote:
    Corsa Open CX, lovely riding tyre with loads of grip in corners. They come up slightly big which is good as it improves rolling resistance. I use 25mm on my RR bike as I have the clearance.

    Again though, not very robust and outright dangerous in the wet. Really awful in the wet.

    Really? I've used mine for 12 months, all weathers, racing, training and commuting. They've done about 3,000 miles and look virtually brand new and I've never had a visit from the fairy despite weighing over 80kg and riding typical GB roads. I may have just got lucky as it's the first pair I've owned but they have been far more durable than the Pro 3s I used previously. As for the wet, I've never had a problem, they've been no worse than the Pro 3s or any other tyre I've used in the last 25 years. I reckon with a lot of products someone makes a comment about them online and it gets treated as gospel.
  • Guys, any thoughts on Continental Ultrasports please? Looking for cheap but decent set of racing/training tyres for my 17 year old son as furnishing the ever burgeoning sets of wheels is becoming a little expensive...
  • Had veloflex clinchers last year for racing..very fast tyre and very grippy...downside is they were worn out after 1000 mls,opted for the schwalbe zx this year,so far very good.
  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    Pross wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    markos1963 wrote:
    Corsa Open CX, lovely riding tyre with loads of grip in corners. They come up slightly big which is good as it improves rolling resistance. I use 25mm on my RR bike as I have the clearance.

    Again though, not very robust and outright dangerous in the wet. Really awful in the wet.

    Really? I've used mine for 12 months, all weathers, racing, training and commuting. They've done about 3,000 miles and look virtually brand new and I've never had a visit from the fairy despite weighing over 80kg and riding typical GB roads. I may have just got lucky as it's the first pair I've owned but they have been far more durable than the Pro 3s I used previously. As for the wet, I've never had a problem, they've been no worse than the Pro 3s or any other tyre I've used in the last 25 years. I reckon with a lot of products someone makes a comment about them online and it gets treated as gospel.

    I've ridden them at speed in the wet. They're no good. It's also popular opinion because many others have found it to be true. 3000 miles and they look brand new LOL I can only assume that is a joke. They start cutting after a few hundred miles from what I've seen. I'm in no rush to get another set.
    Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com
  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    Guys, any thoughts on Continental Ultrasports please? Looking for cheap but decent set of racing/training tyres for my 17 year old son as furnishing the ever burgeoning sets of wheels is becoming a little expensive...

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    Vittoria rubino pro slick are fairly good all round and not too expensive. I've raced tight crit circuits on them without issue in corners.
    Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com
  • LegendLustLegendLust Posts: 1,022
    okgo wrote:
    Guys, any thoughts on Continental Ultrasports please? Looking for cheap but decent set of racing/training tyres for my 17 year old son as furnishing the ever burgeoning sets of wheels is becoming a little expensive...

    censored .

    Vittoria rubino pro slick are fairly good all round and not too expensive. I've raced tight crit circuits on them without issue in corners.

    How many tyres have you used in your 2 seasons of racing? Cos you seem to get through a lot
  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    I have 3 bikes, and race two of them, and on English roads. I get through lots of tyres - I've been riding for 4 or so years I didn't start racing the day I got a road bike. Off the top of my head I think I've used 9 different types of tyre since I started riding and that includes training and commuting tyres - Including the two I've given a opinion on above so I think I'm qualified to comment.
    Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 6,027
    edited April 2014
    okgo wrote:
    Guys, any thoughts on Continental Ultrasports please? Looking for cheap but decent set of racing/training tyres for my 17 year old son as furnishing the ever burgeoning sets of wheels is becoming a little expensive...

    censored .

    Vittoria rubino pro slick are fairly good all round and not too expensive. I've raced tight crit circuits on them without issue in corners.

    Well it's all subjective but I binned a pair before they were worn out (which admittedly looked like it would take a lot of miles) because the grip was so bad in greasy conditions - I would rather race on gatorskins than a pair of ProSlicks.

    Ultrasport are OK as a cheap race tyre, not very long lasting or tough but fairly grippy.

    edit - turns out mine were Ultra Race not Ultra Sport
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  • markos1963markos1963 Posts: 3,724
    Guys, any thoughts on Continental Ultrasports please? Looking for cheap but decent set of racing/training tyres for my 17 year old son as furnishing the ever burgeoning sets of wheels is becoming a little expensive...

    Very poor tyres and certainly not good enough for racing. Look around for any cheap deals on older quality tyres( i.e. 2013 stock when the 2014 model is released)
  • markos1963markos1963 Posts: 3,724
    okgo wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    markos1963 wrote:
    Corsa Open CX, lovely riding tyre with loads of grip in corners. They come up slightly big which is good as it improves rolling resistance. I use 25mm on my RR bike as I have the clearance.

    Again though, not very robust and outright dangerous in the wet. Really awful in the wet.

    Really? I've used mine for 12 months, all weathers, racing, training and commuting. They've done about 3,000 miles and look virtually brand new and I've never had a visit from the fairy despite weighing over 80kg and riding typical GB roads. I may have just got lucky as it's the first pair I've owned but they have been far more durable than the Pro 3s I used previously. As for the wet, I've never had a problem, they've been no worse than the Pro 3s or any other tyre I've used in the last 25 years. I reckon with a lot of products someone makes a comment about them online and it gets treated as gospel.

    I've ridden them at speed in the wet. They're no good. It's also popular opinion because many others have found it to be true. 3000 miles and they look brand new LOL I can only assume that is a joke. They start cutting after a few hundred miles from what I've seen. I'm in no rush to get another set.

    Well I raced the LMTT yesterday in wet conditions with some 40mph downhill technical turns on a mix of tarmac and concrete and mine were rock solid grip wise. Maybe in 25mm they offer more but the compound would still be the same. Perhaps it's a matter of confidence.
  • ProssPross Posts: 23,901
    okgo wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    markos1963 wrote:
    Corsa Open CX, lovely riding tyre with loads of grip in corners. They come up slightly big which is good as it improves rolling resistance. I use 25mm on my RR bike as I have the clearance.

    Again though, not very robust and outright dangerous in the wet. Really awful in the wet.

    Really? I've used mine for 12 months, all weathers, racing, training and commuting. They've done about 3,000 miles and look virtually brand new and I've never had a visit from the fairy despite weighing over 80kg and riding typical GB roads. I may have just got lucky as it's the first pair I've owned but they have been far more durable than the Pro 3s I used previously. As for the wet, I've never had a problem, they've been no worse than the Pro 3s or any other tyre I've used in the last 25 years. I reckon with a lot of products someone makes a comment about them online and it gets treated as gospel.

    I've ridden them at speed in the wet. They're no good. It's also popular opinion because many others have found it to be true. 3000 miles and they look brand new LOL I can only assume that is a joke. They start cutting after a few hundred miles from what I've seen. I'm in no rush to get another set.

    I'll take a photo of them if you want, they are immaculate unlike the rest of my bike.
  • fcukwitfcukwit Posts: 63
    I agree with the posts saying steer clear of ultrasports - no good.
    Job to beat the Conti four seasons for general all round training tyre though - some race on them, don't think I would have any concerns about racing on them either
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 6,027
    What this thread shows is that tyre choice is very subjective and manufactureres probably change compounds year to year so tyre x one year may have been poor 4-5 years back but it may be totally different now. If you stick to the top end race rubber of any major brand you should get good grip and rolling resistance. Some top end tyres are a bit fragile but if ou find that to be the case just don't go back to them.

    Now what about latex inner tubes, worth it or not?
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  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    They do feel very different (in a good way) to butyl, that should be the motivator rather than weight (you can get lighter butyl tubes) - but obviously you do have to pump them up before each ride as they lose PSI quite quickly.
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  • ozzzyosborn206ozzzyosborn206 Posts: 1,340
    I use pro4s as do most people i train with, grip is good in wet and dry, are cheap and last a good amount of time, no reason to bother trying anything else so can't comment on the others you have mentioned that said I have used Vitoria tubs and they are useless in the wet and wore much quicker than conti competitions, have just got some conti attacks(or is it force the 24mm ones) for my carbon wheels that get used once in every blue moon but only TT'd on them so hard to rate them so far
  • sungodsungod Posts: 12,690
    re the vittoria cx in the wet, it's not necessarily subjective...

    the previous version with the sio2 compound was reportedly (try google) not so good in the wet

    whereas the current compound, isogrip, seems fine
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • okgookgo Posts: 4,368
    Yes. They're are hundreds of people saying they were no good. It's a known thing. But that's interesting if they've changed the compound to make them better.
    Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com
  • racingcondorracingcondor Posts: 1,434
    sungod wrote:
    re the vittoria cx in the wet, it's not necessarily subjective...

    the previous version with the sio2 compound was reportedly (try google) not so good in the wet

    whereas the current compound, isogrip, seems fine

    This. I hated the CXII in the wet. Really like the Vittoria tubs I'm now riding (Corsa SC and SR depending on wheels). Wet or dry they're still damn fast and now they seem to have decent wet grip, probably not Conti wet grip good but good enough.
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