Deep section wheels

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  • term1te
    term1te Posts: 1,462
    My summer "race" wheels are Planet X 50mm carbon tubulars, the ones with the "Guru" flowers on the rim, nothing stealth about them at all. They are very fast, but quite a harsh ride, which could be more to do with the 140psi tubs. Riding down a long hill at speed the road surface changed to recently re-surfaced tar and chips, except they'd used pebbles. Thought I was going to get white finger syndrome or lose my arms completely.

    They do make a nice noise, more of a schwalp schwalp schwalp, particularly in quiet underpasses.

    No evidence of problems with the braking surface, I use Swissstop yellow pads. They seem pretty robust too. In a bit of a pile up I got a pedal or something in the front wheel, damaged two spokes, one with a real kink in it. The wheel went 5mm + out of true, but kept going for another 100km with the brakes opened. No damage to the rim and it went back true when I replaced the two spokes.
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  • charlie_potatoes
    charlie_potatoes Posts: 1,921
    martinperry wrote:

    Theyre not mine!
    I just snapped the photo as I was riding past a tramp :D

    :mrgreen:
    "You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    Has anyone got experience or opinions regarding the Cero and Trigon wheels being sold by Cycle Division?

    Trigon 58mm clinchers, 1630g ,£600
    http://www.cycledivision.co.uk/product- ... -pid8.html

    Cero 50mm clinchers, 1430g, £700
    http://www.cycledivision.co.uk/product- ... id138.html
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    While I'm asking for opinions on the deep section Cycle Division wheels I may as well poll your opinions on their shallower wheels too!

    Cero AR30 Superlight Alloy Clincher, 1395g, £350
    http://www.cycledivision.co.uk/product- ... id133.html

    I'm expecting a new bike next week and considering selling the supplied Ksyrium Elites unused and replacing with one of these 3 wheels.... or I might just stick with the supplied wheels and get deep wheels at some point later (purely for the looks of course ;)).
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    Ai_1 wrote:
    While I'm asking for opinions on the deep section Cycle Division wheels I may as well poll your opinions on their shallower wheels too!

    Cero AR30 Superlight Alloy Clincher, 1395g, £350
    http://www.cycledivision.co.uk/product- ... id133.html

    I'm expecting a new bike next week and considering selling the supplied Ksyrium Elites unused and replacing with one of these 3 wheels.... or I might just stick with the supplied wheels and get deep wheels at some point later (purely for the looks of course ;)).

    Keep the Ksyrium... I mean... you really want to downgrade?
    left the forum March 2023
  • shipley
    shipley Posts: 549
    I have 3 pairs of Chinese import carbon wheels. 2 x 50mm sets and 1 x 80mm set. They are fast, make a great noise and have been utterly reliable. All are clinchers and I have put well over 1000 miles on each. The 80s are affected by side winds but make a fantastic noise but even the 50s sound great when rolling. I have had them up and down the Alps without any problems.

    All are matt black, feel very fast and for the sake of £300 are fabulous value as far as I am concerned.
  • Flambes
    Flambes Posts: 191
    I know by linking to some factory built wheels on this forum, the gods of handbuilt wheels will kill my hamster and put stick insects into my All Bran, but I quite like these:

    http://www.swissside.com/hadron

    I have Swiss Side Francs and can't fault them at all, so hopeful these will be good as well.
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  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    Flambes wrote:
    I know by linking to some factory built wheels on this forum, the gods of handbuilt wheels will kill my hamster and put stick insects into my All Bran, but I quite like these:

    http://www.swissside.com/hadron

    I have Swiss Side Francs and can't fault them at all, so hopeful these will be good as well.

    Clincher alu rim with a carbon fairing that weigh 1700g, where do I sign up?
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • drplumbster
    drplumbster Posts: 83
    Just buy a decent set of handbuilt alloy wheels, they are cheaper, last longer and are much much safer! A simple build using sapim spokes on some velocity rims (or equivalent, H Plus etc) with cheap hubs (Novatec are fine) will cost around £300. It's a no brainer !
  • inigopete
    inigopete Posts: 15
    drplumbster wrote:
    Just buy a decent set of handbuilt alloy wheels, they are cheaper, last longer and are much much safer! A simple build using sapim spokes on some velocity rims (or equivalent, H Plus etc) with cheap hubs (Novatec are fine) will cost around £300. It's a no brainer !

    Hard to argue with this - I've seen Spin hubs built with Sapim CX-Ray spokes on Velocity A23 rims for under 1500g, under £400. Alloy braking surfaces significantly more reliable in the wet, and the pads are cheaper too...
  • charlie_potatoes
    charlie_potatoes Posts: 1,921
    drplumbster wrote:
    Just buy a decent set of handbuilt alloy wheels, they are cheaper, last longer and are much much safer! A simple build using sapim spokes on some velocity rims (or equivalent, H Plus etc) with cheap hubs (Novatec are fine) will cost around £300. It's a no brainer !

    2 full pages before the inevitable stock reply :roll:
    So a bit of progress being made then :lol:
    "You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul
  • drplumbster
    drplumbster Posts: 83
    Charlie do you say this because you agree with this or because you don't? My sarcasm radar might be a little off?

    As someone you races regularly it actually took me a while to move back to alloy wheels for racing (especially crits) I know I know.....
  • charlie_potatoes
    charlie_potatoes Posts: 1,921
    drplumbster wrote:
    Charlie do you say this because you agree with this or because you don't? My sarcasm radar might be a little off?

    As someone you races regularly it actually took me a while to move back to alloy wheels for racing (especially crits) I know I know.....

    I was being sarcastic but not in a nasty way :)

    I have several different sets of wheels and they all have good and bad points.
    FWIW I have a pair of Planet X 52mm clinchers which I am really liking at the moment. I might even use them for Ride London but they won't be coming with me to the Alps.

    I was making the observation that it is impossible to ask advice on here about deep section wheels without being advised to buy hand built alloy wheels instead.
    "You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul
  • drplumbster
    drplumbster Posts: 83
    Obviously all wheels have pros and cons but personally I just can't wrap my head around why people who ride on UK roads (full of pot holes!) in UK weather would want to spend over £500 on carbon wheels, often well over £1000! when you can buy a really good set of alloys for £300-£400, especially clinchers! Tubs are a different story but latest research suggest the rolling resistance is no different, in fact it is even better with clinchers!
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    drplumbster wrote:
    Obviously all wheels have pros and cons but personally I just can't wrap my head around why people who ride on UK roads (full of pot holes!) in UK weather would want to spend over £500 on carbon wheels, often well over £1000! when you can buy a really good set of alloys for £300-£400, especially clinchers! Tubs are a different story but latest research suggest the rolling resistance is no different, in fact it is even better with clinchers!

    I've heard that the deep section carbon wheels track better on the flat and are better for keeping speed up.
    There must be something in it otherwise the Pro's wouldn't use them and neither would the TTers.

    I don't understand this thought that the UK is one big pothole and it's constantly raining. Yes, it rains, but we get a fair amount of good weather too - why not have something for the good weather. Potholes come and go - usually you can see where they are. The last time I hit a pothole big enough to cause damage was 2 years and many thousand miles ago - I got a snake bite.

    If we took the advice of all the negative thinkers on here we'd all be riding around on supermarket specials at <£100 because anything more expensive wouldn't be noticeably better for riding comfort or performance.

    So - why do we buy all this rubbish expensive kit. Because we can afford it? Because it does make a difference - even if it's marginal? Most of all - because we enjoy the experience - and what's the point to life if you don't at least enjoy it!
  • Strith
    Strith Posts: 541
    drplumbster wrote:
    Obviously all wheels have pros and cons but personally I just can't wrap my head around why people who ride on UK roads (full of pot holes!) in UK weather would want to spend over £500 on carbon wheels, often well over £1000! when you can buy a really good set of alloys for £300-£400, especially clinchers! Tubs are a different story but latest research suggest the rolling resistance is no different, in fact it is even better with clinchers!

    What research? Is this actual research or some journos opinion. I'm genuinely curious, got any links please?
  • How Far is too Far
    How Far is too Far Posts: 534
    I have one road bike set up with Fulcrum Zeros and another with Fulcrum Red Wind xlr 50mm.

    When riding each bike the bike with 50mm wheels seems to require less effort to keep it rolling at good speed. On the same route I get aprox 0.5mph better ave speed over a 40ish miles route with 2000ish ft climbed. This info is from a Garmin and off Strava.

    So for me I think 50mm wheels are faster than normal wheels on an average ride. Maybe on a very hilly ride it would be the other way around.
  • sub55
    sub55 Posts: 1,025
    drplumbster wrote:
    Obviously all wheels have pros and cons but personally I just can't wrap my head around why people who ride on UK roads (full of pot holes!) in UK weather would want to spend over £500 on carbon wheels, often well over £1000! when you can buy a really good set of alloys for £300-£400, especially clinchers! Tubs are a different story but latest research suggest the rolling resistance is no different, in fact it is even better with clinchers!

    I'm sure everything you've said is perfectly correct , but you got to admit it would be as boring as fcuk.
    If people only ever spent their money on what makes sense , we would all live in shoe box shaped houses , drive round in a little car made by kia and have a degree in economics. Get out there and enjoy yourself.
    constantly reavalueating the situation and altering the perceived parameters accordingly
  • ai_1
    ai_1 Posts: 3,060
    drplumbster wrote:
    Obviously all wheels have pros and cons but personally I just can't wrap my head around why people who ride on UK roads (full of pot holes!) in UK weather would want to spend over £500 on carbon wheels, often well over £1000! when you can buy a really good set of alloys for £300-£400, especially clinchers! Tubs are a different story but latest research suggest the rolling resistance is no different, in fact it is even better with clinchers!
    Different riders have very different priorities. What you're saying will make some sense for those with similar priorities to yourself but there are plenty of people for whom your comments will be way off the mark.
    If you want to do long miles on mixed terrain and road surfaces in all weathers and speed is not of primary importance then sure, carbon deep section wheels are not the sensible solution. However if you are racing on flatter terrain with reasonable surfaces and if performance is the primary goal, especially for duathlon, triathlon or TT, then deep section wheels are a very sensible place to look for some benefits if you have the money to spend. There's also the cohort who are primarily interested in having the most fashionable or most blingy bike possible. For them supposed performance improvements are as important as real ones and appearance and bragging is really the most important factor...I've seen discussions on here where the design of the decals got more attention than the number of spokes, the weight or the type of bearing. That's not to say I'm impervious to some bling envy too.
  • duckson
    duckson Posts: 961
    Shipley wrote:
    I have 3 pairs of Chinese import carbon wheels. 2 x 50mm sets and 1 x 80mm set. They are fast, make a great noise and have been utterly reliable. All are clinchers and I have put well over 1000 miles on each. The 80s are affected by side winds but make a fantastic noise but even the 50s sound great when rolling. I have had them up and down the Alps without any problems.

    All are matt black, feel very fast and for the sake of £300 are fabulous value as far as I am concerned.

    Which supplier?
    Or even better a link to the wheels you bought? (i know things move on and they might not be selling them now)
    Cheers, Stu

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