Brailsford has resigned
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Yeah would be nice if he raced Trentino or Romandie.Contador is the Greatest0
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He was also blessed on the track thanks to the National lottery funding, with a budget and infrastructure which dwarfed his competitors. On the road with Sky, his budget was also 'top of the tree'. Yes he had to go out and attain that success but the financial advantages cannot be overlooked and dismissed either when drawing conclusions and comparisons.Joelsim wrote:A legend.
Whether you like his tactics at Sky or not, DB has led GB to the top of the world. I sincerely hope that it was clean.0 -
awavey wrote:its been kind of buried in the news coverage for Sir Dave is it worth noting Dr Steve Peters is leaving as well, in an almost well Daves swapping jobs so you need to go now as well manner, though I dont know if its just the media have been so focussed on Daves side theyve missed the new job opportunity (as opposed to the ongoing multi tasking roles he already did) Steve is off to, but its notable he's said hes staying on till theres a succession/support process left, so its not necessarily a planned departure.
though Ive always been uncomfortable with the way the inner chimp stuff is portrayed as a cure, when its more like a temporary sticking plaster, thats ready to go pop in a lot of cases.
also interesting to note Bradleys comments on it that he thinks all is not well in the GB squad environment at the moment.
Steve Peters has been doing 1 day a week for GB and Team Sky, since post-London 2012 when he went to work for LFC. Everyone was expecting this to happen at some point as he does more and more with other sports and athletes.
Still going to continue to support Team Sky, though.
The mutterings Wiggins is referring to, are mainly down to DaveB not having been around the Velodrome etc, from what I've heard - though Blazing Saddles is in a much better position to confirm. Needs a firm hand on the tiller like any organisation.0 -
Speaking as somebody who uses the Chimp Paradox I have to admit it isn't a temporary sticking plaster but a way of managing your emotions. There is a whole company that works with different organisations including BC and Tae Kwon Do to work with the athletes.
I wouldn't just look at the emotional bundle that is Victoria Pendleton and think that is the only example. She quite clearly has some deep rooted issues that come to the top when put under stress. Compare that to Sir Chris Hoy who looks like he just breezes through life. I am sure he has had doubts about his ability and performance but he doesn't show it on the outside.
Jody Cundy let his chimp get out of control in 2012 so the lovely Vicky isn't the only one. I am sure you could poke Jo Rowsell for a week with a stick and she would remain cool. Poke Cavendish with a stick and well expect a reaction.
It's not right to assume that Dr Steve Peters is some sort of "Cyclist Whisperer" who says a few words and it's resolves itself. It is a constant battle to keep you chimp under control when you have to.
I speak as someone who has had breakdowns in the past.
What is encouraging is that Sir Dave leaves behind an organisation in better shape than the one he joined.0 -
US team and French team have bigger budgets iirc. Not sure about the Germans and the Aussies who are also big players on the track stage.Top_Bhoy wrote:
He was also blessed on the track thanks to the National lottery funding, with a budget and infrastructure which dwarfed his competitors. On the road with Sky, his budget was also 'top of the tree'. Yes he had to go out and attain that success but the financial advantages cannot be overlooked and dismissed either when drawing conclusions and comparisons.Joelsim wrote:A legend.
Whether you like his tactics at Sky or not, DB has led GB to the top of the world. I sincerely hope that it was clean.
The French budget tragically did not stretch to the extra-round French wheels that BC managed to get hold of. Shame that!
You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
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Has no one heard of the 'inner game' series of books? Gallwey used the concept of 'Self 1' (The conscious mind) and 'Self 2' (the sub-conscious 'doer' mind). He explained the conflict between the two selfs during sport and sounds very similar to the chimp thing.
Gallway published during the mid 80's.0 -
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US team and French team have bigger budgets iirc. Not sure about the Germans and the Aussies who are also big players on the track stage.Top_Bhoy wrote:
He was also blessed on the track thanks to the National lottery funding, with a budget and infrastructure which dwarfed his competitors. On the road with Sky, his budget was also 'top of the tree'. Yes he had to go out and attain that success but the financial advantages cannot be overlooked and dismissed either when drawing conclusions and comparisons.Joelsim wrote:A legend.
Whether you like his tactics at Sky or not, DB has led GB to the top of the world. I sincerely hope that it was clean.
The French budget tragically did not stretch to the extra-round French wheels that BC managed to get hold of. Shame that!
http://inrng.com/2012/08/british-cycling-funding/The result of this is a British cycling programme funded at £26.39m ($40m / €33m) for the Olympic cycle of 2009-2013 or £6.5 million per year. By contrast the French federation’s annual budget is €15 million ($18.5 m) per year, which covers everything from head office to grassroots programmes as well as the elite programme. USA Cycling’s total budget is $11.8 million, again for everything.
While their accuracy isn't certain, I don't think there are too many reasons to be sceptical of the quoted figures.0 -
I've heard about similar work done by Daniel Kahneman (System 1 & System 2). In fact there was a very good episode of Horizon about it earlier in the year.Dezza wrote:Has no one heard of the 'inner game' series of books? Gallwey used the concept of 'Self 1' (The conscious mind) and 'Self 2' (the sub-conscious 'doer' mind). He explained the conflict between the two selfs during sport and sounds very similar to the chimp thing.
Gallway published during the mid 80's.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I think tampering with minds is borderline unethical. I don't mean the the random motivational stuff that may or may not work, delivered by an amateur manager. I mean the systematic application of science, or at least highly effective techniques, is just asking to be abused any fanatical cult leader working at a cycling team by day....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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RichN95 wrote:I've heard about similar work done by Daniel Kahneman (System 1 & System 2). In fact there was a very good episode of Horizon about it earlier in the year.
Yup, I recommend Thinking, Fast and Slow if anyone is interested in such things. It's sometimes heavy going but fascinating.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Macaloon wrote:I think tampering with minds is borderline unethical. I don't mean the the random motivational stuff that may or may not work, delivered by an amateur manager. I mean the systematic application of science, or at least highly effective techniques, is just asking to be abused any fanatical cult leader working at a cycling team by day.
You could always say that drinking anything but water during a race is unethical. :roll:
It's hardly brainwashing. Even Coppi needed to be talked into continuing after a crash in Le Tour. By all account despite finishing the stage he still need to be convinced to start the next days stage.
In every sport Psychology is used by professionals and amateurs.
Or maybe some people want the rise of British Cycling to be down to something underhand because the don't believe that it has been a combination of hard work, quality equipment, looking after the athletes and good fortune.0 -
DK - Read from here onwards. Might clear things up!
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coriordan wrote:DK - Read from here onwards. Might clear things up!
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Ok!
So where do we stand on Beetroot Juice?
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Der Kaiser wrote:Or maybe some people want the rise of British Cycling to be down to something underhand because the don't believe that it has been a combination of hard work, quality equipment, looking after the athletes and good fortune.
Bang on.
In the past, British cycling only produced the occasional oddball/maverick individual - Simpson, Burton, Millar, Obree, Boardman, Cooke, etc. These were an expression of exactly how many top level cyclists you'd expect from a country where "pluck, grit, application and determination" were your sole weapons against an obscure and minority culture with f@ck all funding.
Now that it has been given a proper name and funding, British Cycling has developed a system for generating World Class riders and teams. Not only that, but many of these new generation individuals seem quite "normal": Geraint, Stannard, Kennaugh, Trott, Armitstead, etc.
What a turn-up for the books it all is.0 -
Der Kaiser wrote:Macaloon wrote:I think tampering with minds is borderline unethical. I don't mean the the random motivational stuff that may or may not work, delivered by an amateur manager. I mean the systematic application of science, or at least highly effective techniques, is just asking to be abused any fanatical cult leader working at a cycling team by day.
You could always say that drinking anything but water during a race is unethical. :roll:
It's hardly brainwashing. Even Coppi needed to be talked into continuing after a crash in Le Tour. By all account despite finishing the stage he still need to be convinced to start the next days stage.
In every sport Psychology is used by professionals and amateurs.
Or maybe some people want the rise of British Cycling to be down to something underhand because the don't believe that it has been a combination of hard work, quality equipment, looking after the athletes and good fortune.
It's OK, chief, I'm benign. I didn't mention any Feds or Teams and I'm not making any simplistic arguments about cheating. I'm merely suggesting that if psy ops become more potent, one downside is vulnerable riders are at more risk from unscrupulous team leaders....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
