Are these Tubs any good - complete newbie to tubs!
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dennisn wrote:bernithebiker wrote:By the way, you didn't answer my question - are you telling us that all tubs grip the same in the wet?
No, I'm not telling you that. Tubulars vary. We all know that.
So it's quite possible then that Vittoria Corsas (pre-Isogrip) might be less grippy in the wet than other tubulars.
That's all I'm looking to point out here.
I choose to believe that a different tyre may have gripped better in that situation. You can think different. You are clearly a cycling god that has never come off, so I bow to your wisdom.
As for cowardly, please, maybe you should get a grip.0 -
bernithebiker wrote:So it's quite possible then that Vittoria Corsas (pre-Isogrip) might be less grippy in the wet than other tubulars.
The older, pre Isogrip, Vittoria Evo CX does have a poor reputation for wet weather grip. There is loads on the web about this!"an original thinker… the intellectual heir of Galileo and Einstein… suspicious of orthodoxy - any orthodoxy… He relishes all forms of ontological argument": jane90.0 -
bernithebiker wrote:dennisn wrote:bernithebiker wrote:By the way, you didn't answer my question - are you telling us that all tubs grip the same in the wet?
No, I'm not telling you that. Tubulars vary. We all know that.
So it's quite possible then that Vittoria Corsas (pre-Isogrip) might be less grippy in the wet than other tubulars.
That's all I'm looking to point out here.
As for cowardly, please, maybe you should get a grip.
Yes, quite possible. Thing is, you knew that going into the wet curve yet you ignored what you knew and pushed anyway. I don't follow how that crash was not your fault. I can see how it can happen. You're riding / racing with friends, everybody is pushing it a bit or a lot, and the championship of the world depends on who comes out of that curve first. All I'm saying is you're blaming a tire for your own poor judgement. H*ll, everybody does that. No big deal.0 -
dennisn wrote:bernithebiker wrote:dennisn wrote:bernithebiker wrote:By the way, you didn't answer my question - are you telling us that all tubs grip the same in the wet?
No, I'm not telling you that. Tubulars vary. We all know that.
So it's quite possible then that Vittoria Corsas (pre-Isogrip) might be less grippy in the wet than other tubulars.
That's all I'm looking to point out here.
As for cowardly, please, maybe you should get a grip.
Yes, quite possible. Thing is, you knew that going into the wet curve yet you ignored what you knew and pushed anyway. I don't follow how that crash was not your fault. I can see how it can happen. You're riding / racing with friends, everybody is pushing it a bit or a lot, and the championship of the world depends on who comes out of that curve first. All I'm saying is you're blaming a tire for your own poor judgement. H*ll, everybody does that. No big deal.
You're kind of repeating yourself Dennis. It's a trait of old age.
To make you happy; I was going way to fast, I have no idea what I'm doing on a bike, and I lost it on a wet bend. There, you can sleep better now.
If I were to repeat that same incident and had a free choice of tyre, I would be interested to do so on one of the grippiest tubs out there, as opposed to one of the slippiest. Maybe I would still have gone down. But maybe not. We'll never know. But to improve my chances in future slippy situations, I'll be using a different tub.
Why do you think that when Vittoria brought out their new model CX, they called it ISOGRIP? Not Isospeed, or Isocomfort or IsoDennis. ISOGRIP. I think they're trying to tell us something, don't you?*
*In case you still don't get it, they are responding to the well known lack of wet grip of the previous model, by pointing out that they now have a special new compound specifically designed to improve wet grip.0 -
bernithebiker wrote:Why do you think that when Vittoria brought out their new model CX, they called it ISOGRIP? Not Isospeed, or Isocomfort or IsoDennis. ISOGRIP. I think they're trying to tell us something, don't you?*
"... trying to tell us something...?" No, I don't think so. I think they are trying to sell you a tire with a sort of fancy name. You're simply proof that advertising works and that most people love a fancy sounding name. Iso grip? Give me a break. What does the Iso part mean? And Grip? Every tire has grip. Some more than others. You sound like the dream person for these manufacturers. Simply come up with a fancy name and you're gonna buy it. :roll:0 -
dennisn wrote:bernithebiker wrote:Why do you think that when Vittoria brought out their new model CX, they called it ISOGRIP? Not Isospeed, or Isocomfort or IsoDennis. ISOGRIP. I think they're trying to tell us something, don't you?*
"... trying to tell us something...?" No, I don't think so. I think they are trying to sell you a tire with a sort of fancy name. You're simply proof that advertising works and that most people love a fancy sounding name. Iso grip? Give me a break. What does the Iso part mean? And Grip? Every tire has grip. Some more than others. You sound like the dream person for these manufacturers. Simply come up with a fancy name and you're gonna buy it. :roll:
You're in danger of looking a bit silly here Dennis.
Most normal people know that you can formulate a tyre compound in different ways; soft, squidgy and grippy, OR, hard, stiff (ooer) and not so grippy.
The former wears quickly, the latter less so. Remember Formula 1 pitstops where they change to wets?
As with many things, it's a compromise. The best CRR is probably not the best wearing or the best gripping. The best gripping is probably not the best CRR or best wearing, etc. etc. You see where I'm going here?
So the old CX was leaning too much towards wear and/or Crr and not so much grip. Which people noticed. So now they're adding in more grip. Capiche?
Have a read of this;
http://www.vittoria.com/tech/compound/0 -
bernithebiker wrote:You're in danger of looking a bit silly here Dennis.
Oh, sounding / looking silly has never been an issue with me. Silly comments? We all make them. Silly questions? There are none. When I ask a question on this forum I am truly interested in the answers. When I make a comment it's only what I think. Not what everyone thinks. i.e. when I say advertising is ALL about selling product and very little about truth, well, that's just the way I think.
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