Groupset / Wheel Advice

twgh

Thanks for all your responses.

I got in touch with Ugo and he is going to build me some Archetypes laced to DA9000 with Dt swiss spokes - this should match the DA9000 Groupset beautifully.

Anyone on here had a similar wheelset built my Ugo that they would care to say a few words about?

Grill

He built my 6800 hubs on Archetypes. Great wheelset.

pitchshifter

+1 for Ugo.

3 wheelsets and they have all been great.

cycleclinic

For spoking on the rear ugo will do race both sides most likely (maybe he won't). I persoanlly have had no issues with light 80kg or lighter riders and Laser spokes both sides on the rear with Archetype 28H rims and hubs that give decent bracing angles like DA 9000. You can use Race spokes DS of couse it only adds 20g and it will make the wheel stiffer.

Brass nipples make sense, alloy get used to add a bit of colour for vanity purposes (let's be honest) the weight saving on a 52 spoke wheel set is 35g over brass - so small.

Weight wise 24F/28R archetype DA9000 hubs and Laser spokes/brass nipples weighs 1630g and with race spokes DS 1650g so on that basis even if it not needed race spokes DS it is. Cost will depend on the builder though. £600 is a bit steep mind for that price Sapim CX-rays are probably used.

twgh

I did ask for laser front and back but Ugo suggested race.

Ideally I would like the wheelset to come in at 1600g but not if it means losing stiffness. I am 77kg at the moment and would hope to be down to 75kgs come May when I ride the wheels. I haven't been over 80kgs since I took up cycling.

twgh

I also assume that no one would suggest a 24/24 build to try and save a little weight?

ugo.santalucia

My take on SRAM, for what is worth:

Having joined the mad world of indexed gears after the other players, they have to "eat the crumbs" in terms of technology. In order to come to the market with their own system that does not infringe Shimano IP, they basically have to make do with solutions which have been discarded by others, who would have otherwise protected them.
The double tap is not particularly clever and the fact that it's not reliable either suggests it is intrinsically a bad idea.
People still buy SRAM stuff, essentially 'cause they pump hard cash in PRO races and because they play the "lightest group set" card, which of course is a hollow statement, I can machine a bit of alloy from their groupset tomorrow and make the lightest groupset ever... there is always something that can be made lighter and worse.
So why buy SRAM? No idea.... but hey oh, that's me having only tried SRAM and never actually owned it

600 pounds for Archetype on Dura Ace? Bonkers... :shock:

bendertherobot

My take on SRAM? Ugo's right in terms of the mechanism. What else COULD they do? They could have followed Microshift but that's bonkers complicated!

But, in finding a way round the other two's patents, IMO they nailed it. I couldn't possibly swap back.

On top of that I run Apex in some utterly crap weather and it's done thousands of miles. Rain, sun, snow, ice, hail, and typhoon. Flawless every time. Never had a single issue with the quality.

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

My take on SRAM? Ugo's right in terms of the mechanism. What else COULD they do? They could have followed Microshift but that's bonkers complicated!

But, in finding a way round the other two's patents, IMO they nailed it. I couldn't possibly swap back.

On top of that I run Apex in some utterly crap weather and it's done thousands of miles. Rain, sun, snow, ice, hail, and typhoon. Flawless every time. Never had a single issue with the quality.

Well, I am glad it works well for you. Being on discs I have to say SRAM levers have a more favourable lever throw but the number of problems with these levers and the number of SRAM related recalled products does not look good

bendertherobot

It's better to recall than to hide. But, even so, all the big players have recently. TRP with the Spyre, Shimano with the CX. Perhaps they were quieter about it?

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

It's better to recall than to hide. But, even so, all the big players have recently. TRP with the Spyre, Shimano with the CX. Perhaps they were quieter about it?

TRP is part of SRAM no? Zipp is part of SRAM and kept their issues quiet