Which wheels should i buy from these options?

neeb

thecycleclinic wrote:

They are all round, all low spoke count all very similar. Ignore the marketing especialy campagnolo's which use terms like reactivity which is term used in chemitry I would rather any wheel not be reactive.

Buy the ones that are cheapest or the ones you like the look for the most.

Well, nearly 200g weight difference is not to be completely sneezed at...

Bobbinogs

neeb wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

They are all round, all low spoke count all very similar. Ignore the marketing especialy campagnolo's which use terms like reactivity which is term used in chemitry I would rather any wheel not be reactive.

Buy the ones that are cheapest or the ones you like the look for the most.

Well, nearly 200g weight difference is not to be completely sneezed at...

Nope, Rider + Bike = ~100kg compared to ~99.8 kg. Compelling argument

Sandy muir

Look guys it just vanity! We all love our bikes and if we fell good about spending copius cash on wheels we dont need then so what. Plenty smokers and bevvy merchants who waste their hard earned and make their way to an early grave.

A good bike is a great investment in health !

Fulrum Quattro, cheaper and easy on the eye. they look fantastic on my Roubaix

Bobbinogs

Sandy muir wrote:

Look guys it just vanity! ...

Fulrum Quattro, cheaper and easy on the eye. they look fantastic on my Roubaix

Common sense at last. Quattros it is then

neeb

Bobbinogs wrote:

neeb wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

They are all round, all low spoke count all very similar. Ignore the marketing especialy campagnolo's which use terms like reactivity which is term used in chemitry I would rather any wheel not be reactive.

Buy the ones that are cheapest or the ones you like the look for the most.

Well, nearly 200g weight difference is not to be completely sneezed at...

Nope, Rider + Bike = ~100kg compared to ~99.8 kg. Compelling argument

Who said the OP was obese??

If you are in half-decent condition you will notice 200g difference in wheel weight in the way the bike rides. 100g, possibly not, but 200g yes.

Camcycle1974

Bobbinogs wrote:

neeb wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

They are all round, all low spoke count all very similar. Ignore the marketing especialy campagnolo's which use terms like reactivity which is term used in chemitry I would rather any wheel not be reactive.

Buy the ones that are cheapest or the ones you like the look for the most.

Well, nearly 200g weight difference is not to be completely sneezed at...

Nope, Rider + Bike = ~100kg compared to ~99.8 kg. Compelling argument

love it. Peoples sense of perspective can be somewhat skewed. why focus on the big picture when you can worry over the minutiae? I bet those 200g are in the rims though!

neeb

Camcycle1974 wrote:

love it. Peoples sense of perspective can be somewhat skewed. why focus on the big picture when you can worry over the minutiae? I bet those 200g are in the rims though!

If the big picture is as broad as it's being painted here, why worry at all? All these wheels are round, as has been pointed out. But if you're wanting the best value ones, it's the zondas. If you're wanting the cheapest, it's the ones you already have..

sparklehedgehog

neeb wrote:

Bobbinogs wrote:

neeb wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

They are all round, all low spoke count all very similar. Ignore the marketing especialy campagnolo's which use terms like reactivity which is term used in chemitry I would rather any wheel not be reactive.

Buy the ones that are cheapest or the ones you like the look for the most.

Well, nearly 200g weight difference is not to be completely sneezed at...

Nope, Rider + Bike = ~100kg compared to ~99.8 kg. Compelling argument

Who said the OP was obese??

If you are in half-decent condition you will notice 200g difference in wheel weight in the way the bike rides. 100g, possibly not, but 200g yes.

To be fair I need to lose a decent amount of weight but adore my bike and want a pair of wheels that it deserves if that makes sense. The axis are horrible even compared to my mavic aksiums on my boardman team carbon and my fulcrum racing 7's that are on my felt z95.

Yes I should go further, yes I should be lighter. Both will come ASAP trust me, I can go further but time is my biggest issue hence I tend to do lots of shorter rides and ride hard whilst doing them. I am getting there after 10 years of zero exercise and weight gain. I did 7 miles in 17 minutes the other day which for me is very good (sure plenty of people will laugh at that) but I'm trying and love the sport. Surely the more the merrier and who cares about money when it's mine?!

Just wanted advice from people with more knowledge than me that was all. I accept my weight should be down drastically and I'm on the case

Bobbinogs

Bloke, I think we are all saying splash the cash...just buy something that makes you smile so that you won't be disappointed because shooting for performance benefits is a bit like chasing the rainbow (and we all know what what is like, eh Joaquim).

neeb

Go for it! You will actually notice good wheels more on short fast rides than on longer slower rides, especially if it's at all rolling. 7 miles in 17 minutes is very good going by the way, nobody is going to be laughing at that! And if you are doing regular 30 mile rides at a good effort you will be getting more out of it in terms of fitness than people who poodle along for twice that distance.

Buying nice stuff tends to make you ride more, which is reason enough in itself. And the better the upgrade the more likely you are to actually notice the difference..

Camcycle1974

sparklehedgehog wrote:

neeb wrote:

Bobbinogs wrote:

neeb wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

They are all round, all low spoke count all very similar. Ignore the marketing especialy campagnolo's which use terms like reactivity which is term used in chemitry I would rather any wheel not be reactive.

Buy the ones that are cheapest or the ones you like the look for the most.

Well, nearly 200g weight difference is not to be completely sneezed at...

Nope, Rider + Bike = ~100kg compared to ~99.8 kg. Compelling argument

Who said the OP was obese??

If you are in half-decent condition you will notice 200g difference in wheel weight in the way the bike rides. 100g, possibly not, but 200g yes.

To be fair I need to lose a decent amount of weight but adore my bike and want a pair of wheels that it deserves if that makes sense. The axis are horrible even compared to my mavic aksiums on my boardman team carbon and my fulcrum racing 7's that are on my felt z95.

Yes I should go further, yes I should be lighter. Both will come ASAP trust me, I can go further but time is my biggest issue hence I tend to do lots of shorter rides and ride hard whilst doing them. I am getting there after 10 years of zero exercise and weight gain. I did 7 miles in 17 minutes the other day which for me is very good (sure plenty of people will laugh at that) but I'm trying and love the sport. Surely the more the merrier and who cares about money when it's mine?!

Just wanted advice from people with more knowledge than me that was all. I accept my weight should be down drastically and I'm on the case

There is nothing wrong with wanting something nice for your bike if it helps motivate you to ride more. I think what people are saying is just don't expect miracles performance wise. 7 miles in 17 minutes is far from shabby, no one laughing here. To put it in perspective I ride with someone who is 3 stone heavier than I am riding a Defy with R500 wheels. Because he trains more than I do he's still quicker, apart from up hills

Camcycle1974

Sorry about the rubbish quoting, not sure what happened there?

neeb

Camcycle1974 wrote:

Sorry about the rubbish quoting, not sure what happened there?

Probably missed out a "close quote" ( [/quote] ) somewhere. You know you can edit the post even after it is posted? Fiddle around with the quote thingies and keep hitting "preview" until it looks right..

ugo.santalucia

Edited... is it right now?

cycleclinic

200g difference is only noticeable if the difference in weight in the rims. If it is in the hubs it is not noticable.
So decidig on a wheel buy total wheel weight alone will get you nowwhere you have to know the rim weight, hubs weight and spoke/nipple weight. We know none of those things.

Camcycle1974

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Edited... is it right now?

Yep, thanks for being my editor

neeb

thecycleclinic wrote:

200g difference is only noticeable if the difference in weight in the rims. If it is in the hubs it is not noticable.
So decidig on a wheel buy total wheel weight alone will get you nowwhere you have to know the rim weight, hubs weight and spoke/nipple weight. We know none of those things.

Agreed, but as the rim depth of the quattros is 35mm and the Zondas have 26mm front and 30mm rear, I'd be prepared to bet that the majority of that extra weight is in the rims. The aero benefit of the slightly wider rims will be almost undetectable, while there will be slightly more trouble from crosswinds at the front.

Zondas are a light, all-round, high quality wheel that consistently test very stiff in Tour magazine. It's basically a version of the high-end Eurus and Shamal with steel spokes instead of alloy.

mugensi

I was in a similar position last year. In the end up i went with the Quattros purely on their looks, I could have bought a set of Elites at nealy 300g lighter (price wasnt really an issue) but loved the look of the quattros. The shimano hub quattros are 1810g (campag hub is 1710g) the wheels they replaced (Pro R35's) were 1920g so 110g difference but the quattros rolled much freer and accelerated quicker and in my opinion allowed me to climb easier too. Now maybe thats all a placebo effect and there is no real world difference but to me there is but more importantly they look bloody fantastic on my bike.

neeb

As Fulcrum are just Campagnolo wheels with different labels and slightly different spoke angles, I was curious what the equivalent of the Quattros were in the Campagnolo line - seems like the newer (35mm) Sciroccos are the same wheel (except with the G3 spoke pattern of course).

You can get the Campagnolo version for £170 - http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/a12064 ... cgodTXoAyA

Looks like you pay a premium for the Shimano version though, the cheapest deals are around £200.

Of course if you are running 11sp you could just get the Campagnolo version and use a Campagnolo cassette.

Sandy muir

MugenSi wrote:

I was in a similar position last year. In the end up i went with the Quattros purely on their looks, bloody fantastic on my bike.

Absolutely, another satisfied customer. I almost bought the Mavic cosmic elite but thought the Quattro with the 35mm deep rim was asthetically more pleasing.