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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    RichN95 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Problem is you still see their drivel when some well meaning person quotes them.

    People are hypocrites if they reply to him and at the same time complain about him. It really doesnt take much intelligence to understand the normal way of doing things will not work with him. Therefore the very simple solution is to 'foe' him and then not reply to him. If everyone did this then he would just be having a monologue with himself and would soon go away.

    There is no excuse.

    So those quoting and responding to him I am going to assume are happy to do to so and actually enjoying retorting and repeating themselves twenty times a day.
    People's resolve cracks though.

    It's like that time when you were adamant you wouldn't be posting a lovely picture of a horse. But then soon after posted a picture of a very lovely horse.

    It was a good horse... which then went on to become a forum legend
    @JaunePeril

    Winner of the Bike Radar Pro Race Wiggins Hour Prediction Competition
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Problem is you still see their drivel when some well meaning person quotes them.

    People are hypocrites if they reply to him and at the same time complain about him. It really doesnt take much intelligence to understand the normal way of doing things will not work with him. Therefore the very simple solution is to 'foe' him and then not reply to him. If everyone did this then he would just be having a monologue with himself and would soon go away.

    There is no excuse.

    So those quoting and responding to him I am going to assume are happy to do to so and actually enjoying retorting and repeating themselves twenty times a day.

    Possibly - but as a doctor once didn't tell me, you need to prod a tumour quite a lot before you can tell if it's malignant or benign.
    Then you have to tear a strip off of it and have it analysed.

    For tediousness to succeed, all that is needed is for good men and women to sit idly by and say nothing.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Stillnox wrote:
    Macaloon wrote:
    *For example you state above that Rogers was in the form of his life in 2012, when a glance at the points tables tells a different story.
    Why not get it from the horses mouth?
    Rogers comments on yesterday's stage
    “I posted some of the best numbers of my career on the final climb yesterday,” Michael Rogers told LeTour.fr this morning./quote]

    Fair enough. But for balance you could consider the quote in context with his overall season: 2009 - 833 pts, 2010 - 1040 pts, 2012 - 1074 pts. 2012 looks very similar to 2010.
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    On a positive note I'm glad to see that many people are fond of the forum as it was pre-trollfest!

    Big hug everyone!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Honestly, I turn my back on you lot for 5 minutes and look at the state of you!

    I kind of drifted away from posting after the Tour for a number of reasons...

    1. Everyone was getting all tetchy about people wanting to talk around things rather than recount what they'd just seen on the telly

    2. Some of the doping stuff was getting firstly, really oppositonal and secondly obsessively silly

    3. I had a couple of nasty injuries and a lot of stuff going on in real life and my attentions were everywhere but cycling for a while.

    I stick my head round the door and find that a new poster has refined everyones needling into a forum persona and fun chat is now banned?

    Looks like a flying visit.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    People who like to shout a lot about one issue can always be annoying, whatever the issue and whatever they’re shouting, at least to me and I suspect others too.

    Then throw in the fact that bring up the issue constantly, are seemingly dogmatic in terms of their issue, and whether intentional or not seem to belittle those who don’t agree with their issue, means you end up with really annoying people.
    Mañana
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    edited December 2013
    The last while of relative turmoil on these pages (perhaps not seen since festinagirl graced here with her sparkle?) seems to only have benefitted the organism - like a really good, er, purge....
    Stick around, disgruntledgoat (and sorry to hear about the real life issues for you) - Rumours of this subforum's death are greatly exaggerated: ironically (seeing as the stated agenda was to attack the apparent cliquey, pro Sky and British Cycling slant of this forum), there's probably a greater sense of goodwill and solidarity amongst many posters who actually hold wildly differing view about bike racing and all it's wonderous aspects...
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    The last while of relative turmoil on these pages (perhaps not seen since festinagirl graced these pages with her sparkle?) seems to only have benefitted the organism - like a really good, er, purge....
    Stick around, disgruntledgoat (and sorry to hear about the real life issues for you) - Rumours of this subforum's death are greatly exaggerated: ironically (seeing as the stated agenda was to attack the apparent cliquey, pro Sky and British Cycling slant of this forum), there's probably a greater sense of goodwill and solidarity amongst many posters who actually hold wildly differing view about bike racing and all it's wonderous aspects...


    Mostly it's good stuff. I'm moving to Ghent in February!

    The double concussion put a bit of a dent in my Cross season though (ie cancelled it)
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    Welcome back Goat.

    The chatty, informative, learned, and sometimes tetchy place we all know and love has been turned into an echo chamber of statements by a couple of new posters. Some threads, regardless of the OP, dissolved into a series of Sky doping conspiracies with no give and take, just I am right and everyone else is wrong. This for page after page, so some, myself included, are so dispirited by the constant drip feed of bile and accusations that we are contemplating giving this place a miss. At least until the racing starts again. But, even then, If a Sky rider wins, or indeed loses, a race it will be conclusive proof they are doping. :roll:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    What's going on?

    Best advice I can give it to share opinions and engage in debate but don't actually try to convert people or carry on going till everyone agrees with you. It's a forum, not a vehicle for people to cajole the world into their thinking.


    Pro racing is entertainment. It's not all that serious. Even on the internet.
    _
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Mostly it's good stuff. I'm moving to Ghent in February!
    Wat leuk!

    Welcome back and again sorry to hear about injuries.

    You might have noticed that this:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    there's probably a greater sense of goodwill and solidarity amongst many posters who actually hold wildly differing view about bike racing and all it's wonderous aspects...
    Is actually true! FF and RR are now friends :D
    mike6 wrote:
    ...we are contemplating giving this place a miss. At least until the racing starts again.
    31 days to go until the Tour Down Under Mike. 31 days. Hang in there.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Stillnox
    Stillnox Posts: 38
    Macaloon wrote:
    Fair enough. But for balance you could consider the quote in context with his overall season: 2009 - 833 pts, 2010 - 1040 pts, 2012 - 1074 pts. 2012 looks very similar to 2010.
    I dont remember if it was you I had some beef with on statistics in another thread but statistics are not always usefull: it is a matter of interpretation.

    Yes, his 2010 points on CQ - I assume - look very similar. I believe that was the year he came back from glandulan fever, or was that 2009, working with the late Aldo Sassi.

    Riding as lead man at HTC compared with super domestique doing dogs work in the mountains, and getting BIG results. One does not just come second at the Dauphiné Libere for instance.

    So, saying he was in the form of his life wasnt so farfetched. And, I do see your point, I just dont agree with it as a whole.
  • smokey_bacon
    smokey_bacon Posts: 1,639
    mike6 wrote:
    ...we are contemplating giving this place a miss. At least until the racing starts again.
    31 days to go until the Tour Down Under Mike. 31 days. Hang in there.[/quote]

    And it cant come quick enough!
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Above The Cows wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Mostly it's good stuff. I'm moving to Ghent in February!
    Wat leuk!

    Welcome back and again sorry to hear about injuries.

    You might have noticed that this:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    there's probably a greater sense of goodwill and solidarity amongst many posters who actually hold wildly differing view about bike racing and all it's wonderous aspects...
    Is actually true! FF and RR are now friends :D
    mike6 wrote:
    ...we are contemplating giving this place a miss. At least until the racing starts again.
    31 days to go until the Tour Down Under Mike. 31 days. Hang in there.


    Ta. Exciting but scary!

    FF and RR? The lion lies down with the lamb.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Welcome back Goat! Dont be Disgruntled though, and disappear on us again

    And FF has VERY kindly supplied me with some animal avi's. Which one will I choose....you have to hand around for that
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Stillnox wrote:
    So, saying he was in the form of his life wasnt so farfetched. And, I do see your point, I just dont agree with it as a whole.

    And I can see yours. Cheers.
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Welcome back indeed Goat

    One piece of advice as I finally leave NL - don't be offended when the Belgians/Dutch are miserable bu88ers to you - This time it really isnt you, it's them!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    ddraver wrote:
    Welcome back indeed Goat

    One piece of advice as I finally leave NL - don't be offended when the Belgians/Dutch are miserable bu88ers to you - This time it really isnt you, it's them!

    I've spent the last 3 months dealing with Belgian HR and Relocation people. Their shiftlessness is matched only by their incompetence.

    And yes, they do seem rather surly.

    Still, cycling is the national sport and the best beer in the world. So it's all good!
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    What is a "double concussion"? Is that when your head bounces...?

    I suspect a degree of concussion is a prerequisite for starting a cross race in the first place.
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Mostly it's good stuff. I'm moving to Ghent in February!
    Wat leuk!

    Welcome back and again sorry to hear about injuries.

    You might have noticed that this:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    there's probably a greater sense of goodwill and solidarity amongst many posters who actually hold wildly differing view about bike racing and all it's wonderous aspects...
    Is actually true! FF and RR are now friends :D
    mike6 wrote:
    ...we are contemplating giving this place a miss. At least until the racing starts again.
    31 days to go until the Tour Down Under Mike. 31 days. Hang in there.


    Ta. Exciting but scary!

    FF and RR? The lion lies down with the lamb.


    Will you become DisgruntledGhent?
    @JaunePeril

    Winner of the Bike Radar Pro Race Wiggins Hour Prediction Competition
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,337
    Coincidentally, another forum I frequent hs been soul-searching as result of one member's actions. Just for your amusement, from their parallel thread:

    "You are of course right that it is possible to not read posts. The problem with Kirk was that he was very gifted in turning threads into his own. He was an expert at turning things his way and I don't think he minded the flak because a response was better than none. He is known on TH more than any other because of this. He got what he wanted for a very long time ...he got the attention he seemed to crave. Ignoring him I suspect would have been the meanest thing you could do to him. Many people here tried to converse with him and try get him to engage but he would rarely answer a question or join the conversion.

    "There is no question that we here on TH have differing opinions and quite often we think we are opposed only to discover that once the semantics are out of the way that we are pretty close. Kirk when challenged on an idea would rarely try to explain his view ...he would then just change tack. Once he had stirred a thread to boiling he would leave seemingly successful in his intention. TH will have a huge hole without him and ultimately it may feel very flat to not have him stirring us up.

    "Yes it is easy not to read posts but when almost every thread in a forum is filled with what you are trying to avoid you have little option but to leave. An ignore button doesn't work because of the direction and response to the ignored post."
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    I've been on this forum for a few years now, I used to post a lot in the mountain bike section but there are some idiots on there who made me never want to post in there ever again (YeehaaMcGee anyone?)

    The pro race section has been great this season, most people on here have posted for a few years and know how it "works" I really enjoyed the Spoilers threads and if someone wants to post about rocks, cheese, horses etc that's great too, it would be a very dull forum if people just posted solely about the racing all the time.

    It seemed to be working pretty well all year, yeah there were a few people who were always banging on about the same thing but that seems to have calmed down a bit. UNTIL about a month ago where everything goes to pot on a certain David Walsh thread with one new guy who was the main contributor, after that Ugo showed up after getting a load of complaints and now we have the situation we are in. It doesn't take a master mind to work out there is a distinct correlation there.

    I don't have a problem with someone having a different opinion, the world would be very boring without different views but when people deliberately troll others on the internet it is just very sad. I'm sure if we met said culprit for a pint he would be relatively normal but put him in front of a keyboard and he feels the need to wind others up.

    Please can we just carry on as we were before all this silly business?
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    I think the thing people have to remember is the only thing people definitely have in common on here is they are interested in cycling in some way and the bulk of them cycles themselves.

    There's such a colourful cross section of personalities that is no different from a random selection of joe public in the street. There will be all sorts of people, with different ways of thinking, different preconceptions, different conclusions, it's just life.

    It is important that people can mess about, jest about things, just as it is important that people can discuss what they want to discuss. To not be this way it would be boring.

    We all find some people ridiculous, but just because concensus seems to focus in on a couple of people that does not make it worth trying to get rid of them. The best thing is purely obvious, if as individuals people decide to engage with particular posts and then find something irritating about the response they get, don't worry about it, just forget it and stop engaging. If as a person you can't do that on a 'post by post basis' and you're the kind of person who wants to judge someone and completely ignore everything by certain posters, then do it that way, and do it silently.

    It's all good fun at the end of the day, it's only strangers typing stuff to each other on the net and learning and keeping informed about things along the way.

    Don't take forums too seriously, if forums disappeared tomorrow the world wouldn't end for most of us, if you are too precious about forums perhaps it's best to chill out a bit.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Coincidentally, another forum I frequent hs been soul-searching as result of one member's actions. Just for your amusement, from their parallel thread:

    "You are of course right that it is possible to not read posts. The problem with Kirk was that he was very gifted in turning threads into his own. He was an expert at turning things his way and I don't think he minded the flak because a response was better than none. He is known on TH ..."

    Trumpeting Honkers?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Seems to me as if we are being moved from a forum which functioned fine on the absolute minimum
    of moderation, to one with enforced, aggressive, "easy option, one step" moderation that can only end up being counter productive.

    This section is the "pointy end" of any cycling forum.
    It's not needlepoint (or maybe it is :wink::lol: ) that is being debated, here.
    PRR draws from a more cosmopolitan base, so consequently opinions will be more diverse.
    There are times when exchanges will get heated. More often they can be defused with a posting of a gentle reminder at the time, or, in more extreme cases, by pm. Last resort should be the red card.

    The latest thread to cause moderators consternation had no warnings whatsoever, never mind towards specific offenders.
    It simply disappeared into cyberspace's black hole.
    Is this really good enough?
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    This section is the "pointy end" of any cycling forum.
    It's not needlepoint (or maybe it is :wink::lol: ) that is being debated, here.
    PRR draws from a more cosmopolitan base, so consequently opinions will be more diverse.

    This section could do with a bit less camaraderie and bullying, that's for sure. This forum aims to be open to new users and this section is a bit intimidating for a newcomer, I'm afraid. Despite the huge number of topics and comments, these are left by a handful of individuals... that's neither very healthy nor particularly useful to promote the publishing activity of the host.
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    There are times when exchanges will get heated. More often they can be defused with a posting of a gentle reminder at the time, or, in more extreme cases, by pm. Last resort should be the red card.

    The red card has not been used... various gentle reminders are dotted explicitly on these pages and warnings have been issues where appropriate.
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The latest thread to cause moderators consternation had no warnings whatsoever, never mind towards specific offenders.
    It simply disappeared into cyberspace's black hole.
    Is this really good enough?

    The thread was moved into the Bottom bracket because it did contain offensive material and the discussion had degenerated enough to fit nicely in the bottom bracket. The total disappearance of the thread was due to human error... I pressed the wrong button
    left the forum March 2023
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Snip
    Ugo while you're here, could you answer a question I asked earlier. How many complaints have you had about this forum in the past month and how does this compare to previous months? Because you seem to be putting the blame for current problems on features of this forum which have been around for a long time, without comment from any mod, but are now suddenly relevant.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    RichN95 wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Snip
    Ugo while you're here, could you answer a question I asked earlier. How many complaints have you had about this forum in the past month and how does this compare to previous months? Because you seem to be putting the blame for current problems on features of this forum which have been around for a long time, without comment from any mod, but are now suddenly relevant.

    I don't keep stats, but over the past 2 weeks or so every day there were reports, It could be that previously they were dealt by Rick quickly as it could be that there were no reports. Listen, it goes in waves... there is the BB wave, then there is another one...
    In one of the Swiss corners they give you mitigating circumstances if you murder someone during a phoen episode (that's a warm wind that comes from the mountains, like a Chinook), because it is recognised to cause mental instability... on a social media it happens the same... for a period of time everybody seems to act irrationally, then it all quiets down for a while.... in the specific case you need an injection of UCI action, to stop talking about doping issues.
    Anyway, Rick is going to take care of this section now, so I will ignore the reports coming from here and everybody is happy
    left the forum March 2023
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    edited December 2013
    RichN95 wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Snip
    Ugo while you're here, could you answer a question I asked earlier. How many complaints have you had about this forum in the past month and how does this compare to previous months? Because you seem to be putting the blame for current problems on features of this forum which have been around for a long time, without comment from any mod, but are now suddenly relevant.

    My view is that the JTL hearing won't occur to the new year. Walsh's book reviews have died down and not much news on the Sky front for a while.

    The emotion will cease to exist. There's just not the heat in the Rogers issue as there is in JTL. Both rode for Sky but appear to have tested positive when not at Sky. That tells you that issue really is around British/Sky riders and suspected doping.

    I wouldn't worry too much looking for smoking guns or subversive activities from other forums. Its just not there.

    At the end of the day we're just talking about the news not making it.

    I'd say things will move on and will be forgotten as time goes on and the new topic de jour comes along.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,312
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    This section is...blah blah blah

    This section could...
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    There are times...more blah, less bling

    The red card has not been used...
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The latest thread...

    The thread was moved into the Bottom bracket because it did contain offensive material and the discussion had degenerated enough to fit nicely in the bottom bracket. The total disappearance of the thread was due to human error... I pressed the wrong button

    Yes, i'm really pi$$ed at you Ugo for 'accidentally' deleting that thread before it got to BB.

    BTW fellas, having read all the posts here, I still don't know what you are bitchin about and you do take yourselves far too seriously. Maybe if one or two of you (no names) would get off your arrogant high horses and be a little more accomodating and open minded as this is a clique part of the BR forums. Even the Noork supports (Crudcatchers), have a sense of humour.

    It is Christmas soon, lighten up and the Tour Down Under is not far away, then ther Milan San Remo and it is back to business. The cycle review of the year is on sale now from all good newsagents - get one and something off the top shelf too, christ you needs it.
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