Scottish Independence

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  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    daviesee wrote:
    TheCoo'sTail wrote:
    As much as I want independence it's just not going to happen IMO. Speaking to those around me I am usually in the minority. My prediction is the YES vote will be lucky to achieve 40% of the vote, mark my words. :wink:
    Aw.
    Dont let facts get in the way of a heated debate.
    I was looking forward to having fun for the next 9 months.
    I don't think there's going to be much actual debate, most people have staunch views and aren't prepared to listen to the other side. The politicians will try all their tricks and voters will listen to the bits of each argument they like and ignore the bits they don't. There won't be any actual evidence though.

    I'm predicting a highish turn-out (65-75%) and an overwhelming vote in favour of independence. Then all the Scottish MPs and journalists will get kicked out because they won't be English or Welsh, and they won't be EU citizens so they will be illegal immigrants. It will be nice to have England and Wales ruled by the English and Welsh again. Looking forward to the new flag.

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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    GiantMike wrote:
    I'm predicting a highish turn-out (65-75%) and an overwhelming vote in favour of independence. Then all the Scottish MPs and journalists will get kicked out because they won't be English or Welsh, and they won't be EU citizens so they will be illegal immigrants. It will be nice to have England and Wales ruled by the English and Welsh again. Looking forward to the new flag.
    I am willing to place money on that not happening.
    If you speak to the people actually voting instead of the media, things are not as they would appear.

    So you are stuck with the flag.
    And the Scots.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    daviesee wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    I'm predicting a highish turn-out (65-75%) and an overwhelming vote in favour of independence. Then all the Scottish MPs and journalists will get kicked out because they won't be English or Welsh, and they won't be EU citizens so they will be illegal immigrants. It will be nice to have England and Wales ruled by the English and Welsh again. Looking forward to the new flag.
    I am willing to place money on that not happening.
    If you speak to the people actually voting instead of the media, things are not as they would appear.

    So you are stuck with the flag.
    And the Scots.
    No frickin' way!! They can't dangle the carrot of freedom in my face then take it away.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    GiantMike wrote:
    No frickin' way!! They can't dangle the carrot of freedom in my face then take it away.
    :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol:
    This is what makes it so damned funny!
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    at last years etape, of all of the locals i spoke to no one was in favour which surprised me, always had it in my head that scots were in the main keen on the idea, not a very scientific survey i know, but the hatred towards Salmond especially from business owners was eye opening.
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    I have just had a great idea. Assuming the referendum vote is in favour of independence, the English/Welsh should invade Scotland the very next day. It won't be a Eurpoean country, won't be part of NATO and as such won't have any international protection from strong allies. And the Scottish troops will be mostly spread around the (old) UK and any English/Welsh troops in Scotland will provide a useful 'in-theatre' presence.
  • TheCoo'sTail
    TheCoo'sTail Posts: 113
    bianchimoon wrote:
    at last years etape, of all of the locals i spoke to no one was in favour which surprised me, always had it in my head that scots were in the main keen on the idea, not a very scientific survey i know, but the hatred towards Salmond especially from business owners was eye opening.


    Salmond is a chump! IF, and it's a huge IF, we did become independent we wouldn't have to put up with him fo too long.
    At the erse end o' a coo!
  • TheCoo'sTail
    TheCoo'sTail Posts: 113
    GiantMike wrote:
    I have just had a great idea. Assuming the referendum vote is in favour of independence, the English/Welsh should invade Scotland the very next day. It won't be a Eurpoean country, won't be part of NATO and as such won't have any international protection from strong allies. And the Scottish troops will be mostly spread around the (old) UK and any English/Welsh troops in Scotland will provide a useful 'in-theatre' presence.

    Now this I like, I would look forward to this! :wink:
    At the erse end o' a coo!
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    GiantMike wrote:
    I have just had a great idea. Assuming the referendum vote is in favour of independence, the English/Welsh should invade Scotland the very next day. It won't be a Eurpoean country, won't be part of NATO and as such won't have any international protection from strong allies. And the Scottish troops will be mostly spread around the (old) UK and any English/Welsh troops in Scotland will provide a useful 'in-theatre' presence.
    But all Americans have a Scottish granny.
    Still fancy your chances?
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • andyk19
    andyk19 Posts: 170
    TheCoo'sTail wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    at last years etape, of all of the locals i spoke to no one was in favour which surprised me, always had it in my head that scots were in the main keen on the idea, not a very scientific survey i know, but the hatred towards Salmond especially from business owners was eye opening.


    Salmond is a chump! IF, and it's a huge IF, we did become independent we wouldn't have to put up with him fo too long.

    This I do find quite interesting. It would seem that much of what is in the SNP 'prospectus for independence' is simply SNP policy, straight from their manifesto. As such whether much of it would happen should Scotland choose independence is dependent on the SNP continuing to win elections, which to me is rather large assumption. Of course I don't know for certain, but it wouldn't surprise me if a proportion of those who would vote for independence (and may have previously voted SNP to obtain this) would not choose to vote for the SNP in an independent Scotland.
  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    Absolutely and those who are thinking of voting No because they don't like Salmond are missing this point entirely. Post-independence then Labour, Liberals, and even Tories will come back stronger and form a real alternative to the SNP.
  • RideOnTime
    RideOnTime Posts: 4,712
    och aye the noo

    I'm not sure what this means but it sounds relevant. :D
  • TheCoo'sTail
    TheCoo'sTail Posts: 113
    markhewitt1978 wrote:
    Absolutely and those who are thinking of voting No because they don't like Salmond are missing this point entirely. Post-independence then Labour, Liberals, and even Tories will come back stronger and form a real alternative to the SNP.

    Exactly, we would be governed by any bunch of thieving buggers of our choice.
    At the erse end o' a coo!
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    daviesee wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    I have just had a great idea. Assuming the referendum vote is in favour of independence, the English/Welsh should invade Scotland the very next day. It won't be a Eurpoean country, won't be part of NATO and as such won't have any international protection from strong allies. And the Scottish troops will be mostly spread around the (old) UK and any English/Welsh troops in Scotland will provide a useful 'in-theatre' presence.
    But all Americans have a Scottish granny.
    Still fancy your chances?
    Are you talking about Supergran?

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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    GiantMike wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    I have just had a great idea. Assuming the referendum vote is in favour of independence, the English/Welsh should invade Scotland the very next day. It won't be a Eurpoean country, won't be part of NATO and as such won't have any international protection from strong allies. And the Scottish troops will be mostly spread around the (old) UK and any English/Welsh troops in Scotland will provide a useful 'in-theatre' presence.
    But all Americans have a Scottish granny.
    Still fancy your chances?
    Are you talking about Supergran?

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    No but I suppose she would have some powers.
    Have you ever tried arguing with a Scottish granny?
    It is not to be recommended.
    Especially if she sets her boys on you. :shock:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    I cycled to that spot on Sunday :D
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    TheCoo'sTail wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    at last years etape, of all of the locals i spoke to no one was in favour which surprised me, always had it in my head that scots were in the main keen on the idea, not a very scientific survey i know, but the hatred towards Salmond especially from business owners was eye opening.


    Salmond is a chump! IF, and it's a huge IF, we did become independent we wouldn't have to put up with him fo too long.

    Which, of course, is exactly why one politician we can be certain doesn't want independence is Salmond. He will either enjoy an everlasting and glorious career irritating people over the prospect of an independent Scotland or he will lead an independent Scotland for four years before being ignominiously kicked out for not making good on his promises. It would be the Nick Clegg factor x 100.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • RideOnTime
    RideOnTime Posts: 4,712
    GiantMike wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    TheCoo'sTail wrote:
    As much as I want independence it's just not going to happen IMO. Speaking to those around me I am usually in the minority. My prediction is the YES vote will be lucky to achieve 40% of the vote, mark my words. :wink:
    Aw.
    Dont let facts get in the way of a heated debate.
    I was looking forward to having fun for the next 9 months.
    I don't think there's going to be much actual debate, most people have staunch views and aren't prepared to listen to the other side. The politicians will try all their tricks and voters will listen to the bits of each argument they like and ignore the bits they don't. There won't be any actual evidence though.

    I'm predicting a highish turn-out (65-75%) and an overwhelming vote in favour of independence. Then all the Scottish MPs and journalists will get kicked out because they won't be English or Welsh, and they won't be EU citizens so they will be illegal immigrants. It will be nice to have England and Wales ruled by the English and Welsh again. Looking forward to the new flag.

    England+and+Wales+and+Northern+Ireland+Flag.jpg


    All other things being equal but I don't like the look of that flag. Stay with us you Scots have your Iron-bru, Haggis and your funny random money that looks like you've printed it yourselves in the front parlour. But for the sake of the flag....
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Rolf F wrote:
    Which, of course, is exactly why one politician we can be certain doesn't want independence is Salmond. He will either enjoy an everlasting and glorious career irritating people over the prospect of an independent Scotland or he will lead an independent Scotland for four years before being ignominiously kicked out for not making good on his promises. It would be the Nick Clegg factor x 100.
    If, and I do mean if, it were to happen, I think he would stand down and let Nicola take charge.
    Face it, after achieving a lifetime goal the only way his career could go would be down.
    Especially with all those promises to keep.
    He would do a Blair and get out at the right time.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    Turkeys and Christmas. Cut northern Ireland loose too, the rep can have it. Keep the taffs though, nice accent.
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    the playing mantis wrote:
    Turkeys and Christmas. Cut northern Ireland loose too, the rep can have it. Keep the taffs though, nice accent.
    Fair point, but then they do have Charlotte Church to balance it out.
  • Cycling Solicitor
    Cycling Solicitor Posts: 27
    If Scotland gains independence and can't join the EU immediately Scottish citizens living in England won't be EU nationals. I think that means that under the Immigration Rules they won't be permitted to live and work here...just a thought.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Cycling Solicitor wrote:
    If Scotland gains independence and can't join the EU immediately Scottish citizens living in England won't be EU nationals. I think that means that under the Immigration Rules they won't be permitted to live and work here...just a thought.
    Instantly curing the English unemployment and solving Scotlands skill shortage.

    Win win.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    id be happy to keep the scots if they wernt so left wing.

    im sure we would kick the scots out and let every other f888er with no self support in instead. as we do now.
  • bdu98252
    bdu98252 Posts: 171
    Given how long it took to get hamza the pirate out the country I will sleep easy as a scot in england. Any other petty laws standing in the way of scottish independance that the voters should take seriously.
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    bdu98252 wrote:
    Given how long it took to get hamza the pirate out the country I will sleep easy as a scot in england. Any other petty laws standing in the way of scottish independance that the voters should take seriously.
    Hamza wasn't able to be deported because he would be tried by Jordan (the country, not the vacuous nork b1tch) using evidence obtained under torture and I think they have the death penalty too.

    Scotland doesn't torture people (other than the bagpipes) and doesn't have the death penalty (other than the [insert your own racial stereotype about how crap Scotland is here]).

    I can just imagine the vans driving round Westminster with slogans like '14 illegal MPs arrested in the last month' while offering Tunnocks goodies to those repatriated.
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    GiantMike wrote:
    bdu98252 wrote:
    Given how long it took to get hamza the pirate out the country I will sleep easy as a scot in england. Any other petty laws standing in the way of scottish independance that the voters should take seriously.
    Hamza wasn't able to be deported because he would be tried by Jordan (the country, not the vacuous nork b1tch) using evidence obtained under torture and I think they have the death penalty too.

    So what?
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    Though we (the Govt) wanted him deported, the Human Rights legislation we signed up to stops us from deporting somebody to their death.
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    Exactly why we should never have signed up and or why it needs massive revision. I don't care if Abu hamzas dies. He promotes terrorism against the country he chose to live in and the killing of British people, yet people wring their hands about what will happen to him when kicked out of the country he hates and promotes jihad against.
  • MaxwellBygraves
    MaxwellBygraves Posts: 1,353
    the playing mantis wrote:
    Exactly why we should never have signed up and or why it needs massive revision. I don't care if Abu hamzas dies. He promotes terrorism against the country he chose to live in and the killing of British people, yet people wring their hands about what will happen to him when kicked out of the country he hates and promotes jihad against.

    The whole point of universal human rights legislation is that it applies to everyone equally, on the basis of being human, and cannot be removed to score political points or because we particularly dislike someone. Kinda revolves around holding others to the standards by which you yourself would wish to be held accountable to.

    By all means disagree with the idea and practice of human rights, but note that your right to do so is protected under Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the European Convention on Human Rights :wink:
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