Cipollini Bond - any reason why not?

Dazza993
Dazza993 Posts: 99
edited January 2014 in Road buying advice
Hi all,

I'm about the pull the trigger on a Cipollini Bond frameset, built up with Mavic R-Sys wheels and Ultegra 6800 group set (apologies to those whom think that anything other than Campag on an Italian bike is tantamount to treason)

Does anyone have any horror stories of why this might be a bad idea.

No plans to race on it, just fancy a really nice bike for fine weather riding duties with a few Sportives thrown in for good measure.

The fact that they're quite a rare sight, combined with the fact it is 100% made in Italy really appeals to me.

Quite a looker too.

I'd also considered a Lapierre Xelius/Sensium or Canynon Utlimate CF SLX but the Cipollini has the bigger wow factor (IMHO)

All comments positive / negative are welcomed.
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Previously : Lapierre Zesty 514 / Boardman CX Team / Cube Agree GTC Pro / Specialized FSR XC Pro '07
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Go for it. But you have to get the flouro yellow frameset...
  • jewbs
    jewbs Posts: 139
    i test rode a bond and although they are great to look at and well made i found the ride just a little too harsh for me. It was very stiff and i felt that after a couple of hours riding i would really feel it. The lagos is meant to be more forgiving and again a beautiful bike but i think more expensive. Have you considered Scapin, i think they are 100% italian and rare and good looking.
  • A guy at work bought the RB1000 after test-riding the Bond as well. I can ask him some impressions if you'd like.

    Overall, there's never any downside to buying an over-the-top Italian machine - that's what the Countach, Aventador, F40, and Lancia Stratos have proven time and again.
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  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    No, because they're flippin' ugly?
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    Dazza993 wrote:
    Hi all,

    I'm about the pull the trigger on a Cipollini Bond frameset, built up with Mavic R-Sys wheels and Ultegra 6800 group set (apologies to those whom think that anything other than Campag on an Italian bike is tantamount to treason)

    Does anyone have any horror stories of why this might be a bad idea.

    No plans to race on it, just fancy a really nice bike for fine weather riding duties with a few Sportives thrown in for good measure.

    The fact that they're quite a rare sight, combined with the fact it is 100% made in Italy really appeals to me.

    Quite a looker too.

    I'd also considered a Lapierre Xelius/Sensium or Canynon Utlimate CF SLX but the Cipollini has the bigger wow factor (IMHO)

    All comments positive / negative are welcomed.

    You lucky, lucky bastard! Of course pull the trigger, Italian style and focused geometry, what's not to like. Looking for a MC, you obviously know it's a race focused bike and expect it not to be a comfortable tourer so I can't see that a firm ride is going to surprise you. Am I jealous? Of course I am.
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • Thanks for the updates so far. Keep 'em coming.

    I have test ridden one at the LBS who stock them. It was running on 50mm deep FF aero rims and whilst stiff didn't feel that harsh or uncomfortable (and that was around the Team Valley which has some appalling tarmac).

    Colour wise - the blue one's my favourite. Yes I like something a bit different but flouro yellow - a bit OTT for me.

    I think likening it to the Italian exotic cars is very appropriate - you wouldn't buy one for comfort, practicality or economy. I've just bought an Boardman Team CX for winter cycling duties if I want sensible ride.

    As for Giant Man's comment of "No, because they're flippin' ugly?" - it's all in the eye of the beholder.

    I'm picking up the wheels tomorrow, so will probably pop into the LBS and give them the green light to order the groupset and proceed with the build.
    ________________________________________
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool...
    Current : Cipollini Bond & Jamis Renegade Elite
    Previously : Lapierre Zesty 514 / Boardman CX Team / Cube Agree GTC Pro / Specialized FSR XC Pro '07
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    smidsy wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D

    I know. I'm more than happy with the Basso but the likes of Cipo and Scapin are like the big brother of our Bassos. It's like having a top of the range Rolex when someone walks in the room wearing a Patek Phillippe. :D

    (For those who know nothing about wrist watches, the Patek would be the most desirable out of the two.)
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • I took a look at the Scapin website - yes v. nice bikes too. The Etika RC with the Orange/Black paintjob looks fab.
    Geometry wise - it doesn't look a million miles away from the Bond.

    A tad more pricey but might try and see if there's a local dealer. Early investigations suggest not.
    ________________________________________
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool...
    Current : Cipollini Bond & Jamis Renegade Elite
    Previously : Lapierre Zesty 514 / Boardman CX Team / Cube Agree GTC Pro / Specialized FSR XC Pro '07
  • trek_dan
    trek_dan Posts: 1,366
    Where on Team Valley sells Cipollini? Is that the new-ish Storck concept store?
  • on-yer-bike
    on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    Dont they have very short headtubes so that even the pros have to use spacers?
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  • andyrr
    andyrr Posts: 1,822
    Dont they have very short headtubes so that even the pros have to use spacers?

    Not always it seems :
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/442619469597915968/
    pretty big saddle - stem drop.
  • greeny12
    greeny12 Posts: 759
    I had a sniff around Cipo bikes for my last build, but sadly they don't do any frames big enough for me. I like 'em.

    Just one thought, given you're spending serious £££ on the frame and wheels, why go Ultegra and not D-A on the gruppo? Seems a little like spoiling the ship for a ha'peth of tar...
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  • trek_dan wrote:
    Where on Team Valley sells Cipollini? Is that the new-ish Storck concept store?

    Team Cycles on 2nd Avenue http://www.teamcycles.org/shop/index/Bike+Frames

    I spotted the existence of Storck store when looking for a Scapin dealer. Storck seems to be on the 'marina' just off Scotswood brige.

    The head tube on the large Bond frame is 152mm - that's not that short (is it?). I know some of the other Cipo frames such as the RB1000 are decidely more agressive.
    ________________________________________
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool...
    Current : Cipollini Bond & Jamis Renegade Elite
    Previously : Lapierre Zesty 514 / Boardman CX Team / Cube Agree GTC Pro / Specialized FSR XC Pro '07
  • greeny12 wrote:
    I had a sniff around Cipo bikes for my last build, but sadly they don't do any frames big enough for me. I like 'em.

    Just one thought, given you're spending serious £££ on the frame and wheels, why go Ultegra and not D-A on the gruppo? Seems a little like spoiling the ship for a ha'peth of tar...

    If only D-A was a ha'peth more than Ultegra. D-A is almost twice the cost but neither twice as good nor half the weight.
    ________________________________________
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool...
    Current : Cipollini Bond & Jamis Renegade Elite
    Previously : Lapierre Zesty 514 / Boardman CX Team / Cube Agree GTC Pro / Specialized FSR XC Pro '07
  • There is a Bond medium frameset on discount to £1,000 from £2.5k at my local bike shop
    My classifieds feedback thread for reference

    http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40046&t=12946446
  • greeny12
    greeny12 Posts: 759
    Dazza993 wrote:
    greeny12 wrote:
    I had a sniff around Cipo bikes for my last build, but sadly they don't do any frames big enough for me. I like 'em.

    Just one thought, given you're spending serious £££ on the frame and wheels, why go Ultegra and not D-A on the gruppo? Seems a little like spoiling the ship for a ha'peth of tar...

    If only D-A was a ha'peth more than Ultegra. D-A is almost twice the cost but neither twice as good nor half the weight.

    It looks more than twice as good though :wink:
    My cycle racing blog: http://cyclingapprentice.wordpress.com/

    If you live in or near Sussex, check this out:
    http://ontherivet.ning.com/
  • My next frame will defo be a Cipollini, I've a 40th coming up too so definitely a possibility, love to know where that discounted Bond is though?
    Cipollini Bond
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  • saprkzz
    saprkzz Posts: 592
    philthy3 wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D

    I know. I'm more than happy with the Basso but the likes of Cipo and Scapin are like the big brother of our Bassos. It's like having a top of the range Rolex when someone walks in the room wearing a Patek Phillippe. :D

    (For those who know nothing about wrist watches, the Patek would be the most desirable out of the two.)

    Depends on the person buying it.. I would rather a Rolex over any Patek! Thank god for multiple brands!! :D
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    saprkzz wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D

    I know. I'm more than happy with the Basso but the likes of Cipo and Scapin are like the big brother of our Bassos. It's like having a top of the range Rolex when someone walks in the room wearing a Patek Phillippe. :D

    (For those who know nothing about wrist watches, the Patek would be the most desirable out of the two.)

    Depends on the person buying it.. I would rather a Rolex over any Patek! Thank god for multiple brands!! :D

    Clearly you have no taste in Swiss watches.
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • saprkzz wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D

    I know. I'm more than happy with the Basso but the likes of Cipo and Scapin are like the big brother of our Bassos. It's like having a top of the range Rolex when someone walks in the room wearing a Patek Phillippe. :D

    (For those who know nothing about wrist watches, the Patek would be the most desirable out of the two.)

    Depends on the person buying it.. I would rather a Rolex over any Patek! Thank god for multiple brands!! :D

    I'm with saprkzz - and go with the Rolex over the Patek. Rolex's are bomb proof (IMHO & experience). :)

    On the Cipo front. I collected my Mavic R-Sys wheels and tried them on the frame set - OMG - what a looker.
    I've got to decide on the final finishing kit - bars, stem and possibly saddle.
    I was taking a liking to the FSA K-Wing carbon bars & matching stem. I like a wide flat bar top which the FSA K-Wings appear to give. Also like the 3T Ergonova bars too, but prefer the carbon weave appearance of the FSA stuff to match the frame.
    Any yays, nays or alternate suggestions for bars/stems?
    ________________________________________
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool...
    Current : Cipollini Bond & Jamis Renegade Elite
    Previously : Lapierre Zesty 514 / Boardman CX Team / Cube Agree GTC Pro / Specialized FSR XC Pro '07
  • IrishMac
    IrishMac Posts: 328
    If you go for a fizik saddle, get this:

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/fizik-seatpost-ring/

    Looks class, marks your saddle height and stops water/grit etc getting into frame :)

    I like the look of FSA stuff, don't really like 3T, I just think it's a bit bland.

    This might be of interest to you :D

    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/05/bikes-of-the-bunch-cipollini-bond/

    Have a look at these cables too,look cool and help with shifting/braking

    http://jagwire.com/products/v/road_elite_link_shift

    Hope this helps.
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  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    I have the FSA Plasma integrated carbon bars on my Basso and find the comfort of the flat tops a benefit. Vibration is minimal and nowhere near as bad as when I was using aluminium bars and stem.
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    Dazza993 wrote:
    saprkzz wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D

    I know. I'm more than happy with the Basso but the likes of Cipo and Scapin are like the big brother of our Bassos. It's like having a top of the range Rolex when someone walks in the room wearing a Patek Phillippe. :D

    (For those who know nothing about wrist watches, the Patek would be the most desirable out of the two.)

    Depends on the person buying it.. I would rather a Rolex over any Patek! Thank god for multiple brands!! :D

    I'm with saprkzz - and go with the Rolex over the Patek. Rolex's are bomb proof (IMHO & experience). :)

    Patek's are bomb proof and increase their value with age. A Rolex loses value and are on the whole garish looking things designed for drug dealers. :lol:
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • glasgowbhoy
    glasgowbhoy Posts: 1,341
    philthy3 wrote:
    Dazza993 wrote:
    saprkzz wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D

    I know. I'm more than happy with the Basso but the likes of Cipo and Scapin are like the big brother of our Bassos. It's like having a top of the range Rolex when someone walks in the room wearing a Patek Phillippe. :D

    (For those who know nothing about wrist watches, the Patek would be the most desirable out of the two.)

    Depends on the person buying it.. I would rather a Rolex over any Patek! Thank god for multiple brands!! :D

    I'm with saprkzz - and go with the Rolex over the Patek. Rolex's are bomb proof (IMHO & experience). :)

    Patek's are bomb proof and increase their value with age. A Rolex loses value and are on the whole garish looking things designed for drug dealers. :lol:

    I think you'll find that the current demand for used Rolex, especially older models, is very high and prices are on the increase.
  • Dazza993 wrote:
    trek_dan wrote:
    Where on Team Valley sells Cipollini? Is that the new-ish Storck concept store?

    Team Cycles on 2nd Avenue http://www.teamcycles.org/shop/index/Bike+Frames

    I spotted the existence of Storck store when looking for a Scapin dealer. Storck seems to be on the 'marina' just off Scotswood brige.

    The head tube on the large Bond frame is 152mm - that's not that short (is it?). I know some of the other Cipo frames such as the RB1000 are decidely more agressive.

    Whats Team valley cycles like? I've not been in yet. its opposite the tyre shop isn't it?

    The storck place is on the little business park behind the metro centre. Its not the easiest to find (looks like an office unit) but the lads I spoke to were canny when I was looking at MTB's

    its here: http://www.storck-bicycle.cc/dealer-location/storck-store-gateshead
  • Cipollini, Bond, Rollex, Patek Phillipe??? all summed up here!

    http://vimeo.com/48071362

    With a bit more self confidence that man could go far.
  • dBritain wrote:

    Whats Team valley cycles like? I've not been in yet. its opposite the tyre shop isn't it?

    Yes opposite TyreSpot on 2nd Avenue and it's very good. A large, 2 storey showroom, with a decent selection of MTB, Cross and road bikes fro Lapierre, Ghost, Whyte, BH and a few other. Nice to have a choice of some less mainstream brands.

    Very helpful staff to. Worth a look if it's not too far out of your way.
    ________________________________________
    Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool...
    Current : Cipollini Bond & Jamis Renegade Elite
    Previously : Lapierre Zesty 514 / Boardman CX Team / Cube Agree GTC Pro / Specialized FSR XC Pro '07
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    philthy3 wrote:
    Dazza993 wrote:
    saprkzz wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    philthy3 wrote:
    Am I jealous? Of course I am.

    Why - you have a Basso :D

    I know. I'm more than happy with the Basso but the likes of Cipo and Scapin are like the big brother of our Bassos. It's like having a top of the range Rolex when someone walks in the room wearing a Patek Phillippe. :D

    (For those who know nothing about wrist watches, the Patek would be the most desirable out of the two.)

    Depends on the person buying it.. I would rather a Rolex over any Patek! Thank god for multiple brands!! :D

    I'm with saprkzz - and go with the Rolex over the Patek. Rolex's are bomb proof (IMHO & experience). :)

    Patek's are bomb proof and increase their value with age. A Rolex loses value and are on the whole garish looking things designed for drug dealers. :lol:

    I think you'll find that the current demand for used Rolex, especially older models, is very high and prices are on the increase.

    In any jewellers around here, used Rolex are as cheap as £2k and I think you'll find that if you speak to any horologist, they will tell you a PP is in a different league to any Rolex as are Vacheron Constantine, Tourbillon etc. There are Swiss watches and then there are Swiss watches just as there are Italian bikes and then there are Italian bikes.
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • meesterbond
    meesterbond Posts: 1,240
    philthy3 wrote:
    In any jewellers around here, used Rolex are as cheap as £2k and I think you'll find that if you speak to any horologist, they will tell you a PP is in a different league to any Rolex as are Vacheron Constantine, Tourbillon etc. There are Swiss watches and then there are Swiss watches just as there are Italian bikes and then there are Italian bikes.


    If you see a £2k Rolex then I'd buy it, assuming it's real - there are only a few that ever go down that cheap... none of the Subs or Explorers.

    PP are a level (or two) removed though. There are 3 (argueably 5) manufacturers in the top tier and if you've ever held one, it's pretty easy to see why. The attention to detail is beyond obsessive. A Tourbillon is a type of compilication though - not a manufacturer.

    Just to get back on topic - if that Bond was a swiss watch it would probably be a Hublot or Frank Muller. A Pegoretti or similar handmade, understatedly elegant steel frame would be closer to a Patek.