Dog Attacks

kajjal

Cygnus wrote:

Doctor House wrote:

Siberian Huskies seem to be the new chav dog. I'm sure someone will quickly come along and say "I've got a Siberian Husky and I'm not a chav". I'm not saying you are. When I drive through the minky part of town on the way home I see people with Siberian Huskies where it used to be people with Rottweilers, then people with Pit Bulls. It seems to be fashionable on the estate. Along with Staydry jackets.

Not quite, but I do know someone with a Siberian Husky and she's not a chav She got her dog off one of her friends because that friend couldn't look after it or something, so now it's her dog and she's sensible with it.

But I now see lots of people with Huskies and most of them can't control them, some of them use them as status dogs and there is one group of lads I always see with a Husky, the Husky always pulls on the lead and goes berserk when it sees another dog, I always have to cross the road when I'm with my dog. They clearly can't control it but they want everyone to see them with a Husky.

Huskies are very powerful working dogs and should not be family pets. They are destructive, difficult to train and will continually push you. Fine in the right environment but not as a pet normally.

GiantMike

If a dog attacks anybody the owner should be put down.

If the owner doesn't pick its crap up, the dog should be put down.

If a cyclist jumps a red light, their bike should be taken off them.

Etc

daviesee

GiantMike wrote:

If a dog attacks anybody the owner should be put down.

If the owner doesn't pick its crap up, the dog should be put down.

If a cyclist jumps a red light, their bike should be taken off them.

Etc

Nice manifesto. When are you standing?

GiantMike

DeVlaeminck wrote:

The dog that killed this girl appears to be an American Bulldog not a bull mastiff - my father in law has one and imo they are (along with pitbulls) not suitable for most owners - including most that think they are knowledgeable.

So, not suitable for any owners then.

There should be 1 breed of dog allowed in the UK. Some pathetic little pansy thing that's scared of cats and sheep and has a mouth so small it couldn't actually attack anything.

the playing mantis

rjsterry wrote:

the playing mantis wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

the playing mantis wrote:

The whole point is capabilities. A leopard could probably make a good pet in the right hands. So long as dogs that have a lineage of aggression/protection and have the means ( power, strength, big jaws) to do serious damage are kept as pets, such tragedies will re occur. Simple as that.

yes yes - we all know that but what to do about it ? or like Baby P lets just wait until the next death ?

Until we have a rigorous license system, where licenses are refused and certain types of dogs put down - then kids will continue to die, and an increasing number of people will be injured - micro chipping, widening the range of banned breeds in its self, will do diddly.

People (and their children) sometimes need protecting from themselves, many people with dogs have absolutely no idea how vicious their little or not so little, fido can be.

How so what?

With a gun.
phase out these breeds. its the only way to be 100% sure.

harsh and cruel as most are probably lovely, but if you want 0 risk....

How so? If you could (a big if, granted) stop all breeding of certain breeds, they'd die out naturally in about 15 years. While we're at it, we could breed out all the deformities and defects that we've bred into various breeds.

guinea

Dog owners should be fully legally responsible for the actions of their pets.

If a dog poops in the street, the owner is charged as if they did it.
If a dog barks too loud, the owner is charged with disturbance of the peace.
If a dog bites a kid, the owner is charged with assault or worse.

If a dog humps a stranger's leg...

slowbike

MattC59 wrote:

Though tragic, what person in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to buy a bull mastiff, from a rescue home when they have a four year old daughter ?!?!

Owners should be licensed and assessed as to whether they are suitable and have a suitable environment for the animal.

It would be fine if you had the space to keep them separate for any time they weren't supervised - well - that and the understanding of the breed and knowledge/experience to deal with them.

I was under the impression that rescue centres did evaluate the home before placing the dog - perhaps that's not always the case or situation changed between evaluation and this event.

slowbike

Kajjal wrote:

Cygnus wrote:

Doctor House wrote:

Siberian Huskies seem to be the new chav dog. I'm sure someone will quickly come along and say "I've got a Siberian Husky and I'm not a chav". I'm not saying you are. When I drive through the minky part of town on the way home I see people with Siberian Huskies where it used to be people with Rottweilers, then people with Pit Bulls. It seems to be fashionable on the estate. Along with Staydry jackets.

Not quite, but I do know someone with a Siberian Husky and she's not a chav She got her dog off one of her friends because that friend couldn't look after it or something, so now it's her dog and she's sensible with it.

But I now see lots of people with Huskies and most of them can't control them, some of them use them as status dogs and there is one group of lads I always see with a Husky, the Husky always pulls on the lead and goes berserk when it sees another dog, I always have to cross the road when I'm with my dog. They clearly can't control it but they want everyone to see them with a Husky.

Huskies are very powerful working dogs and should not be family pets. They are destructive, difficult to train and will continually push you. Fine in the right environment but not as a pet normally.

A friend of mine (definitely not a chav) has a husky - they are destructive and continually push - as a visitor to the home she was constantly after attention from me and I had to be very firm with her so we could carry on with the jazz rehearsals. I wouldn't have said my friend was in control - he had influence, but that was about it. Absolutely no way I would trust her. But then he didn't have any children to worry about either ...

kajjal

Slowbike wrote:

Kajjal wrote:

Cygnus wrote:

Doctor House wrote:

Siberian Huskies seem to be the new chav dog. I'm sure someone will quickly come along and say "I've got a Siberian Husky and I'm not a chav". I'm not saying you are. When I drive through the minky part of town on the way home I see people with Siberian Huskies where it used to be people with Rottweilers, then people with Pit Bulls. It seems to be fashionable on the estate. Along with Staydry jackets.

Not quite, but I do know someone with a Siberian Husky and she's not a chav She got her dog off one of her friends because that friend couldn't look after it or something, so now it's her dog and she's sensible with it.

But I now see lots of people with Huskies and most of them can't control them, some of them use them as status dogs and there is one group of lads I always see with a Husky, the Husky always pulls on the lead and goes berserk when it sees another dog, I always have to cross the road when I'm with my dog. They clearly can't control it but they want everyone to see them with a Husky.

Huskies are very powerful working dogs and should not be family pets. They are destructive, difficult to train and will continually push you. Fine in the right environment but not as a pet normally.

A friend of mine (definitely not a chav) has a husky - they are destructive and continually push - as a visitor to the home she was constantly after attention from me and I had to be very firm with her so we could carry on with the jazz rehearsals. I wouldn't have said my friend was in control - he had influence, but that was about it. Absolutely no way I would trust her. But then he didn't have any children to worry about either ...

Thats the main problem you are either in control of your dog or you are not. If you are not sure then you are definately not in control. Terriers like ours are potentially very stubborn and wilful dogs but unlike Huskies are easy to train and once they know their place in the pack they are content enough. Most dogs have a very good read on how you view them.

ilm_zero7

I have a Staffie - lovely dog - soft as shit, never bitten me, and loves playing rough and chewing hands etc. there is a sign on the gate, as i know if someone comes into the garden, un-escorted he may go for them and ask questions later - that is a very small part of why we have and love the chap...

if he bites someone whilst in a public place, thats a wholly different issue, and would i leave him alone with a 4 yr old NO!.... i am not sure the dog is to blame any more than the owner, or indeed the parent of the child - who was negligent !

izza

If you're cycling between Redbourn way - beware the duck.

Way more viscous than any dog I have petted and came straight for me on my bike. I was warned prior to going down the lane in question as he is well known for attacking/biting.

A license wouln't work there........... orange sauce maybe.

Mikey23

Wouldn't a duck peck?

kajjal

izza wrote:

If you're cycling between Redbourn way - beware the duck.

Way more viscous than any dog I have petted and came straight for me on my bike. I was warned prior to going down the lane in question as he is well known for attacking/biting.

A license wouln't work there........... orange sauce maybe.

Or pancakes with hoisin sauce

Graeme Jones

It was not a bullmastiff it was an American Bulldog all press photos showed one white dog that killed the girl and there is no such thing as a white bullmastiff.
The American bulldog can be easily mistaken for a pit or a staffie.
The Daily mail printed photos of a dogue de Bordeaux which wasn't involved but even more powerful.

I have two boxers and a 2 year old and they are never left with my son and are not aloud too close giving the boundaries.
I can't help but feel that the adult it charge is ultimately to blame and will live life with the guilt

Cygnus

Graeme Jones wrote:

It was not a bullmastiff it was an American Bulldog all press photos showed one white dog that killed the girl and there is no such thing as a white bullmastiff.
The American bulldog can be easily mistaken for a pit or a staffie.
The Daily mail printed photos of a dogue de Bordeaux which wasn't involved but even more powerful.

I have two boxers and a 2 year old and they are never left with my son and are not aloud too close giving the boundaries.
I can't help but feel that the adult it charge is ultimately to blame and will live life with the guilt

Agreed, but I doubt we'll get to hear the true story.

daviesee

Cygnus wrote:

Graeme Jones wrote:

It was not a bullmastiff it was an American Bulldog all press photos showed one white dog that killed the girl and there is no such thing as a white bullmastiff.
The American bulldog can be easily mistaken for a pit or a staffie.
The Daily mail printed photos of a dogue de Bordeaux which wasn't involved but even more powerful.

I have two boxers and a 2 year old and they are never left with my son and are not aloud too close giving the boundaries.
I can't help but feel that the adult it charge is ultimately to blame and will live life with the guilt

Agreed, but I doubt we'll get to hear the true story.

Well. As the dog was stabbed to death, I doubt we will ever hear his version of events.

MattC59

daviesee wrote:

Cygnus wrote:

Graeme Jones wrote:

It was not a bullmastiff it was an American Bulldog all press photos showed one white dog that killed the girl and there is no such thing as a white bullmastiff.
The American bulldog can be easily mistaken for a pit or a staffie.
The Daily mail printed photos of a dogue de Bordeaux which wasn't involved but even more powerful.

I have two boxers and a 2 year old and they are never left with my son and are not aloud too close giving the boundaries.
I can't help but feel that the adult it charge is ultimately to blame and will live life with the guilt

Agreed, but I doubt we'll get to hear the true story.

Well. As the dog was stabbed to death, I doubt we will ever hear his version of events.

"She just looked so tasty m'lud."

giant_man

As always, it's the owners, not the dog at fault.

You don't keep a dog of that size in a flat ffs. They only had the dog (what was it?) a month or two, no relationship between dog and owner built up in that time. People just will not learn ...

DIESELDOG

I feel I have to put in my twopenneth worth. I have 2 dogs. JRT's. Prior to having these 2 wonderful little bundles of joy (read 2 x PITA's) I had a Staffy.

My daughter was born when my Staffy was about 12 months old. My ex FIA stated that the dog HAD to go! After telling him in a few choice words that the dog was in the home first so he could bog off with his thoughts. That Staffy had such a close bond with my daughter it was fabulous. Did I leave them together? No. Because no matter how well behaved you think your beloved pooch is, there is always the risk that one day it may be in a bad mood.

Now the interesting part from my perspective. I had to have my Staffy put down when she was 13 1/2 due to terminal cancer. After about 3 months of being without a dog, (in my entire life), I approached a local rescue centre, I was flatly REFUSED a dog because my daughter was 13. I didn't even get the chance of a home check.

So I went to a breeder. My point here is with regards to the "rescue" centre that thought it okay to re-home a dog of such breeding (really unknown at this point), to such a family? As in one with a 4 year old etc.

Just my twopenneth worth on what us a truly horrific incident.

Love n Hugs,

DD

Cygnus

daviesee wrote:

Cygnus wrote:

Graeme Jones wrote:

It was not a bullmastiff it was an American Bulldog all press photos showed one white dog that killed the girl and there is no such thing as a white bullmastiff.
The American bulldog can be easily mistaken for a pit or a staffie.
The Daily mail printed photos of a dogue de Bordeaux which wasn't involved but even more powerful.

I have two boxers and a 2 year old and they are never left with my son and are not aloud too close giving the boundaries.
I can't help but feel that the adult it charge is ultimately to blame and will live life with the guilt

Agreed, but I doubt we'll get to hear the true story.

Well. As the dog was stabbed to death, I doubt we will ever hear his version of events.

I'm referring to the mother.

Lookyhere

Reading through some of this thread reminds me of the NRA in america when there is another college shooting "its not the gun, its the owner" sort of thing

Just as most folk have no idea what goes on to get their nice rump steak, they also have no idea about dogs, this is why, to protect children if nothing else (and there are far more reasons to have one), there needs to be a robust licensing system, whose ultimate aim would be to make sure no one can own these types of dog.
but the dog owning lobby is too powerful and it wont happen, these deaths seem to be joked about and somehow blame is attached to the owner, the child or a passing bus - the system is totally wrong that folk can just go out and obtain, without a single check, a dog that can rip an adult or a child to pieces.

the playing mantis

people are stupid,

clearly a strong, historically aggressive dog with big strong jaws, however docile/soppy has the potential to be more dangerous than a spaniel or labradoodle.... its not rocket science

TINA (a is for argument in this case though)

badgerbeaver

This is a question of Responsibility.

If your actions result in you harming another person, you should face legal consequence. If you discharge a weapon you face consequences.

The law should reflect, in the case of dog ownership, that some people are prepared to take responsibility for their dogs. The law should also reflect that in the case of harm, owners should be held 100% accountable.

So, if you don't think you can control your dog, you should be prepared to go to jail. Some people will still take that risk, in the same way that some people still go out on a Saturday night, get drunk and go fighting, in the full knowledge that they could end up in prison or hospital or both.

If the urban yoof wants attack dogs, then let them. But know that any harm done by them will land them in prison just as surely as wielding a knife.

Which obviously means - we on't eradicate the problem if we took this approach, because no matter you do, there are ar53holes everywhere. But I tell you waht, I'd think twice about getting a dog. I'd think carefully about training and the type of dog, and I am pretty sure I wouldn't take a chance with a rescue dog in the shape of a mature bull mastiff.

Faced with the prospect of such responsibility and consequences, I wonder how sentimental dog owners and prospective dog owners would really be.

Would you go to prison for the sake of Fido?

desweller

the playing mantis wrote:

people are stupid,

clearly a strong, historically aggressive dog with big strong jaws, however docile/soppy has the potential to be more dangerous than a spaniel or labradoodle.... its not rocket science

TINA (a is for argument in this case though)

Except some spaniel breeds have a genetic predisposition to going into brief, blind rages. You wouldn't think it to look at them, would you?

The problem is that dogs are living, thinking, feeling things. They can do something unpredictable for some reason you don't know about; it can happen with any breed. And if they do, then they pretty much all have the potential to be lethal as far as children are concerned.

Licensing and compulsory training classes and testing in order to obtain and retain the licence would definitely help though.

the playing mantis

I'm well aware of spaniel rage, it's why my family don't have solids. However, please find me a report of a spaniel killing a someone.

Pointless comments. Fighting breeds tales of woe are ten a penny, spaniels are not. A squirrel can ho mental and give you a nasty laceration.

daviesee

daviesee wrote:

I get the feeling that nothing I say will change your mind so I am done, but I am willing to bet that another sad story is repeated in less than a year. And those owners will say that the dog was nice and friendly.

Sad to see that I was right.
http://news.sky.com/story/1180595/dog-a ... m-injuries

jordan_217

Slowbike wrote:

MattC59 wrote:

Though tragic, what person in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to buy a bull mastiff, from a rescue home when they have a four year old daughter ?!?!

Owners should be licensed and assessed as to whether they are suitable and have a suitable environment for the animal.

It would be fine if you had the space to keep them separate for any time they weren't supervised - well - that and the understanding of the breed and knowledge/experience to deal with them.

I was under the impression that rescue centres did evaluate the home before placing the dog - perhaps that's not always the case or situation changed between evaluation and this event.

I used to do voluntary work at Wood Green animal shelter in Cambs. Mostly dog walking and kennel cleaning. I was amazed to learn that someone who I would class as responsible and capable would have rehoming applications declined because they would be leaving the dog for x hours while they were at work. Yet, the scrotes who I wouldn't trust with a burned turd were happily accepted because they didn't work and could 'look after' the dog all day. You just had to look and listen to these people to know the dog would end up back at the shelter within weeks. (which they usually did!)

When the dog in question was a breed such as a Japanese Akita I just cringed. IME, there's a direct relationship between the dogs that are more likely to do damage and Mr The Big Man who walks likes he's carrying carpets...

kajjal

The dogs and guns comparison is not valid. If I pull the trigger on a gun it will fire, dogs however well trained are independent living animals and unlike a gun can get scared, angry, happy, sad etc. For dogs it is about good training , socialisation and choosing an appropriate breed. Even then the unexpected can happen, to remove all risk the only option is to ban all dog ownership which for me is a massive over reaction.

Most incidents come from irresponsible owners with inappropriate dogs.

sungod

kill all the horses

feed them to the dogs

then kill all the dogs

feed them to the cats

cats are fluffy, lovable and cool

problem solved

daviesee

sungod wrote:

kill all the horses

feed them to the dogs

then kill all the dogs

feed them to the cats

cats are fluffy, lovable and cool

problem solved

Nice to know that pussy is the solution.