Diane Abbott Sacked

simonhead
simonhead Posts: 1,399
edited October 2013 in Commuting chat
Shees been given the boot from the shadow cabinet, not sure if its a good or bad thing but seems a reaction to her disagreeing with the party line.
I cant stand her.
Thoughts?
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  • roger_merriman
    roger_merriman Posts: 6,165
    Not seen the why but she has said some cras and raceist comments over the years. Most mp's are dull she's not dull but she hardly seems nice either.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Possibly suits her so she can concentrate on This Week, that show after Question Time?

    She seems to get on surprisingly well with Michael Portillo. :?
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    daviesee wrote:
    She seems to get on surprisingly well with Michael Portillo.

    They went to the same school apparently. They were a good double act on This Week until she got ambitious. This Week is a place for ex-ministers and more independent minded MPs, Question Time is for Ministers and Spokesmen, Have I got News For You is for wannabe Ministers.
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Always knocking the black (wo)man down.... what oh, sorry this isn't Bottom Bracket.

    OK, seriously, I liked Diane Abbott for trying; she was a woman, a black woman, an MP and on the Shadow Cabinet. Some, if not all of that, will mean nothing to many of you and others will find it marginally offensive but to mean it was inspiring to witness. However, having said that, how she went about things and spreading 'the message' (black empowerment/awareness/etc message) appeared dated. Like she needed to be in the 80s or 90s or something.

    Time has moved on and the 'black identity/culture' has all but and mostly integrated within British Culture - what with the 2nd - 4th generation offspring of the Carribbean/African who landed migrants decades ago. In short many of the things faced by the youth of today are shared challenges over and above ethnicity and race (which is why I'm so aware of racism received from some Eastern Europeans ilPrincipe).

    I much prefer Chuka Umunna who is simply there on merit for his talents and lets that do the talking as part of ethnic awareness as oppose to the ramrod that was Mrs Abbott.

    I ramble.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,683
    Diane Abbott has had to overcome many hurdles to get where she is, many more than most of her colleagues. For example, she's had to earn promotion despite talking absolute hogwash the great majority of the time.

    She's a flagrant self-publicist. What odds are Paddy Power giving for an appearance on Strictly next year?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,683
    mrfpb wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    She seems to get on surprisingly well with Michael Portillo.

    They went to the same school apparently. They were a good double act on This Week until she got ambitious. This Week is a place for ex-ministers and more independent minded MPs, Question Time is for Ministers and Spokesmen, Have I got News For You is for wannabe Ministers.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    That would be the socialist Mp who sent her son to a private school whist publicly espousing the view that they should be abolished.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    First Aspect wrote:
    Diane Abbott has had to overcome many hurdles to get where she is, many more than most of her colleagues. For example, she's had to earn promotion despite talking absolute hogwash the great majority of the time.

    She's a flagrant self-publicist.     What odds are Paddy Power giving for an appearance on Strictly next year?

    So unlike your typical cabinet minister then!
  • simonhead
    simonhead Posts: 1,399
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Always knocking the black (wo)man down.... what oh, sorry this isn't Bottom Bracket. .

    Was there any need for that? It may have been a comment in jest but is the sort of comment that gives people the wrong idea about BB.
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  • notsoblue
    notsoblue Posts: 5,756
    Diane Abbott is a terrible terrible politician. Total hypocrite who lacks any integrity. I'm glad shes no longer in a position of influence in the Labour party...

    I was at an Any Questions? a little while back where she appeared on the same panel as Nigel Farrage, and she managed to speak less sense about multculturalism in Britain than him.
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  • notsoblue
    notsoblue Posts: 5,756
    simonhead wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Always knocking the black (wo)man down.... what oh, sorry this isn't Bottom Bracket. .

    Was there any need for that? It may have been a comment in jest but is the sort of comment that gives people the wrong idea about BB.
    Gives you the right idea about DDD though...
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  • antfly
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    People have short memories. She was in Blair's first cabinet and out at the first reshuffle so it's a case of history repeating..
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  • stu-bim
    stu-bim Posts: 384
    notsoblue wrote:
    Diane Abbott is a terrible terrible politician. Total hypocrite who lacks any integrity.

    Sounds like some of the most successful politicians
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,660
    Good, She is everything that is wrong with British Politics.

    If I thought people could be adult about it I'd say she needs a slap (and I'd put here way before Jeremy Hunt or Michael Gove who would be second and third), but DDD is going to get all faux-feminazi so i wont...
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  • spen666
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    Rod Liddle says she is Britain's mostaccomplished black politician.


    That set me wondering, who is/ was the most successful black politician we have had in the UK.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    spen666 wrote:
    Rod Liddle says she is Britain's mostaccomplished black politician.


    That set me wondering, who is/was the most successful black politician we have had in the UK.
    Diane Abbott.
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  • spen666
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    DonDaddyD wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    Rod Liddle says she is Britain's mostaccomplished black politician.


    That set me wondering, who is/was the most successful black politician we have had in the UK.
    Diane Abbott.

    If she is the most successful black politician, it is a poor indictment of eeither or both of the black politicians and our society. Her achievements are being sacked from cabinet and shadow cabinet and being a hypocrit in sending her child to a private school at the same time as campagaining against people having the right to send their children to such schools.

    In the USA they have a black president. We seem to have had few black politicians even to become cabinet ministers, let alone achieve immediately recogniseable success.
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  • jedster
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    "I much prefer Chuka Umunna who is simply there on merit for his talents and lets that do the talking as part of ethnic awareness as oppose to the ramrod that was Mrs Abbott"

    I think he is a very talented guy. But I find it utterly absurd and a mark of a lot that is wrong with Brtish politics that he and Milliband think that 3 years working as an employment lawyer qualifies him to be head of the DTI (shadow obviously but presumably chosen because he could be the minister if they win). In politics today you do the internships, research positions, a bit of student politics and your political colleagues think you know enough about the world to run the country. Ridiculous. If you are a star at Sandhurst and do a great job of leading your first platoon they dont make you an admiral...
  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    jedster wrote:
    "I much prefer Chuka Umunna who is simply there on merit for his talents and lets that do the talking as part of ethnic awareness as oppose to the ramrod that was Mrs Abbott"

    I think he is a very talented guy. But I find it utterly absurd and a mark of a lot that is wrong with Brtish politics that he and Milliband think that 3 years working as an employment lawyer qualifies him to be head of the DTI (shadow obviously but presumably chosen because he could be the minister if they win). In politics today you do the internships, research positions, a bit of student politics and your political colleagues think you know enough about the world to run the country. Ridiculous. If you are a star at Sandhurst and do a great job of leading your first platoon they dont make you an admiral...


    Its the way the civil service works. You move to completely different departments to get promotion.

    There is no reward for knowledge or experience in a subject matter.

    They work on the basis, its the same skills needed to head the NHS as to head the MoD etc.

    No wonder we are in the state we are in. We actively discourage specialisation in civil service
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  • tailwindhome
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    spen666 wrote:
    Her achievements are being sacked from cabinet and shadow cabinet

    Surely her achievements would include being in the cabinet and shadow cabinet.

    Few political careers don't end in sacking or rejection at the ballot box.
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  • spen666
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    TailWindHome wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    Her achievements are being sacked from cabinet and shadow cabinet

    Surely her achievements would include being in the cabinet and shadow cabinet.

    Few political careers don't end in sacking or rejection at the ballot box.


    It was the fact she has been sacked TWICE that I was commenting on.

    I agree that most politicians are sacked or voted out
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    spen666 wrote:
    jedster wrote:
    "I much prefer Chuka Umunna who is simply there on merit for his talents and lets that do the talking as part of ethnic awareness as oppose to the ramrod that was Mrs Abbott"

    I think he is a very talented guy. But I find it utterly absurd and a mark of a lot that is wrong with Brtish politics that he and Milliband think that 3 years working as an employment lawyer qualifies him to be head of the DTI (shadow obviously but presumably chosen because he could be the minister if they win). In politics today you do the internships, research positions, a bit of student politics and your political colleagues think you know enough about the world to run the country. Ridiculous. If you are a star at Sandhurst and do a great job of leading your first platoon they dont make you an admiral...


    Its the way the civil service works. You move to completely different departments to get promotion.

    There is no reward for knowledge or experience in a subject matter.

    They work on the basis, its the same skills needed to head the NHS as to head the MoD etc.

    No wonder we are in the state we are in. We actively discourage specialisation in civil service
    ^^^^
    THIS.

    Very much this. :cry:
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  • DonDaddyD
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    If you asked me to name three black politicians I would say:

    Chuka Umunna
    Diane Abbott
    Derek (Laud) who was in Big Brother - he wasn't a MP but he had political associations with the Conservatives.

    It is a sorry state of affairs that the 'Boys Club' has yet to be penetrated by an real measure of ethnic diversity.

    That said and with more thought, Diane Abbott was great in her time, not as a politician but as a Black person who 'made it' and she is a woman to boot. Think about it, in the 80s - 90s when you had Brixton riots, stop and search and National Front/BNP and proper Tories, black people needed a voice out there who spoke for the minority vote even if that meant at the expense of her own party policies.

    However, time has moved on and now in 2000 - 2010+ we have the national riots, stop and search and EDL/UKIP/proper Tories. Thing is, the 'black identity' has mostly integrated into British society. As oppose to Carribbeans living here and maintaining their cultural practices we have Black British culture (Black British is even a recognised demographic on the census) and Diane's brand of 'fight the power' appears to be more and more out of touch.

    At this stage I quite like her on the back benches where she can make the most noise and challenge all and sundry - that's where she is best placed. Not on the cabinet/shadow cabinet.
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  • spen666
    spen666 Posts: 17,709
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    ....

    It is a sorry state of affairs that the 'Boys Club' has yet to be penetrated by an real measure of ethnic diversity.....


    There seems to be more "penetration" by the people of Asian origin.

    Which sets me asking why given the number of black people andthe length of time they have been present in significant numbers in the UK they seem to have made less impact on central government politics.
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  • BigJimmyB
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    You forget Bernie Grant....
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    spen666 wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    ....

    It is a sorry state of affairs that the 'Boys Club' has yet to be penetrated by an real measure of ethnic diversity.....


    There seems to be more "penetration" by the people of Asian origin.

    Which sets me asking why given the number of black people andthe length of time they have been present in significant numbers in the UK they seem to have made less impact on central government politics.
    Disparaging stereotypes and prejudices born from that.

    I.e:

    Asian - good at school, maths, great grades would make a great Doctor, generally harmless.

    Black person - athletics, dancer, good at sport, aggressive, attitude problem, gonna be late every day and never let em near the wife, she might not come back.

    None of the above is true, but dare I say these - no matter how minor - are many of the perceived obsticles that a person may need to overcome. I'm beginning to sound like Diane Abbott. But generally the rule is true in other industries as well, I've worked in the NHS for 7 - 8 years and I have only ever seen one black person who is an Executive Director - and it is something the NHS, in general, acknolwedge.
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Brixton riots - 1981
    Diane Abbott MP - 1987.

    Just saying....
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    daviesee wrote:
    Brixton riots - 1981
    Diane Abbott MP - 1987.

    Just saying....
    Oh shut up. We are having a serious conversation here and this isn't the thread to start nitpicking and point scoring. I used the example of the Brixton riots to paint a picture of what it was like when Abbott was around and the type of thing she would be speaking against.

    If you can't play nice, contribute in a constructive way and stick to the tone of the thread then might I suggest heading back to Bottom Bracket. I'm particpating there too.
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    You made an incorrect link between the two and I simply pointed it out.
    It was unnecessary as the rest of the statement would have sufficed.

    Take the hit and play nice.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    edited October 2013
    there were Brixton riots in 1981 and 1995, so before and during Diane Abbott's time as an MP.

    You will note that I actually wrote "Think about it, in the 80s - 90s when you had Brixton riots, stop and search and National Front/BNP and proper Tories, black people needed a voice out there who spoke for the minority vote even if that meant at the expense of her own party policies." So the link is not incorrect.


    Furthermore, as a black person whose family - not just my parents but my Grandparents, uncles and aunts on both sides - grew up in Brixton I know that the riots, as well as the SUS laws, to have played a significant role in the issue of black people in British society during the 80s and 90s. In addition I know that Diane Abbott has mentioned or referenced those issues on several occassions. Not least of which when we had the recent youth riots and before that in relation to the Broadwater Farm Riot.

    So again, enough with the point scoring, this isn't the thread for it.

    So I don't see the link as incorrect.

    Now had I said that Diane Abbott was an MP during the 1981 Brixton riots that would have been incorrect. But I didn't.
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