"Out Of Order" ?? - You Decide...

davis

Probably went a little too far... but I've gone red mist over less, honestly, which I'm not really proud of.

greg66_tri_v2.0

Il Principe wrote:

Shoulda taken a pic of her with iPad on lap and sent it to the Police. But I understand the red mist to an extent.

Taken a picture with an iPhone?

Kind of like an iBattle.

Trouble is, they weren't in the right place. The only place for a good iBattle is the 'iGh Street (see what idid there? Didya, didya, didya? Good, wonnit? )

Bustacapp

Pufftmw wrote:

Came down Bayswater Road to Lancaster Gate. I positioned myself clearly in the middle of left hand lane and was slowing down to stop at the lights. Woman in a Golf type car undertakes on my left and forces me into the next lane :shock: :shock:

Pull up beside her and bang on her window and shout that that was dangerous driving. She opens the window, so I tell her again. She denies it and then I see her iPad on her lap with her emails showing, so it had obviously recently been looked at. Whilst driving, I don't know but still against the law & coupled with her forcing me into another lane, I flipped a bit, accused her of not paying attention, grabbed the iPad and pushed it into the passenger footwell, then took her keys out the ignition and lobbed them over to the side of the road & said she shouldn't be driving.

Rode off & stopped at the still red lights. She runs up and grabs me and starts having a shout at me! Another cyclist has seen what has happened, so he's trying to calm her down. She wants to call the police and for me to apologise for shouting at her & pick her keys up - like NFW. Eventually some distraught passerby hands her the keys and I apologise for throwing her keys away & she lets go of me.

Other cyclist says that she was dangerous but I was "Out of Order". Was I? Thanks for stopping by the way.

(B1tch scratched me too - stings like hell!)

It would have been enough to call her a c@nt to her face. Instead you made yourself look like a complete loser by going ape and then apologising to her further on down the road.

Bustacapp

junglist_matty wrote:

If I was the other cyclist I'd have thrown you off your bike then make you apologise!

DonDaddyD wrote:

If I was the driver I would have kicked the OPs ass.

If it was Ms DDD and I was in the car, I'd have kicked the OPs ass.

However, I've been the OP and shouted at a driver for doing this; upon seeing the driver turn round and reveal that she was a beautiful amazon, complete with Liz Hurley accent telling me "I am sorry but I do not believe I did cut you up", I got an erection so happily rode off with my bike leaning unnaturally to the left...

That's how the story should have went.

notsoblue

iPete wrote:

You need to download some zen.

BelgianBeerGeek

If it's any help, I don't see you have done anything wrong.

She is clearly dangerous and next time she's driving around London reading her emails it could be anyone else.

Bikequin

Should have taken a D-lock to the iPad.

sketchley

hmm. Probably an over reaction, although I've lost it a few times when someones dangerous driving has put me in danger of getting hurt, intential or othrwise. If the opportunity arrose in such circumstance I might well be tempted to throw keys. If you look at this another way if someone say almost hit you with a baseball bat (arguabally less dangerous than a car) even as an "accident" while playing with a mate, would you be out of order to grab the bat off them and throw it away. Probably not.....

The real question here for me is what would the appropriate reaction be? Personally in the past I've ended up stood in front of a car in similar circumstances, demanding the driver appologies for driving agressively and dangerously before I'd move. Took 15 mins to get one but I did, the passenger didn't help much. I've also flagged down a policeman on more than one occasion to point out the driver all over the road either using a phone or an iPad. This morning I was passed by a blue fiesta with two blokes in the front drinking what look liked Tennants Super, unfortunately not a copper in sight.....

graeme_s-2

junglist_matty wrote:

If I was the other cyclist I'd have thrown you off your bike then make you apologise!

Yeah, this situation really sounds like it needed a 3rd person losing their temper and over reacting :roll:

junglist_matty

Graeme_S wrote:

junglist_matty wrote:

If I was the other cyclist I'd have thrown you off your bike then make you apologise!

Yeah, this situation really sounds like it needed a 3rd person losing their temper and over reacting :roll:

tongue in cheek mate, tongue in cheek :roll:

asprilla

Massive over reaction and I, for one, would have applauded you had I been there to witness it.

cookeeemonster

Asprilla wrote:

Massive over reaction and I, for one, would have applauded you had I been there to witness it.

+1

Just to reemphasise she was driving a one ton killing machine whilst looking down at her ipad and almost seriously injuring/killing someone.

But it makes a nice change from idiots on phones though :P

Team4Luke

could have just looked down on her and filmed her with a helmet camera then took to Police.
I'm currently discussing with the Police this classic style of aggressive behaviour, like what you describe and all the rest we put up with, passing close, pulling out on us etc etc and guess what they have no interest in observing this behaviour while out and about, no training on the matter neither is given.
This a dangerous drive, if drunk you would be within your rights to stop her and remove keys, so I agree removing keys, spot on.
Now go to Jail for theft of said keys while she goes about and kills someone.

t4tomo

Pufftmw wrote:

Came down Bayswater Road to Lancaster Gate. I positioned myself clearly in the middle of left hand lane and was slowing down to stop at the lights. Woman in a Golf type car undertakes on my left and forces me into the next lane :shock: :shock:
)

if there is room for a golf to undertake then clearly you weren't in the middle of the left lane, you were too far over to the right.

This whole sorry tale could have been avoided with better road positioning.

graeme_s-2

junglist_matty wrote:

Graeme_S wrote:

junglist_matty wrote:

If I was the other cyclist I'd have thrown you off your bike then make you apologise!

Yeah, this situation really sounds like it needed a 3rd person losing their temper and over reacting :roll:

tongue in cheek mate, tongue in cheek :roll:

If someone had misunderstood my tongue in cheek comment on a forum I'd have hunted them down like a dog and made them apologise!

Pufftmw

t4tomo wrote:

Pufftmw wrote:

Came down Bayswater Road to Lancaster Gate. I positioned myself clearly in the middle of left hand lane and was slowing down to stop at the lights. Woman in a Golf type car undertakes on my left and forces me into the next lane :shock: :shock:
)

if there is room for a golf to undertake then clearly you weren't in the middle of the left lane, you were too far over to the right.

This whole sorry tale could have been avoided with better road positioning.

I was positioned about where the red arrowhead is, heading in that direction to the red lights - she chose to cut in at the last moment...



But you are right, if she had made the effort to move across in time and not at the last moment (no indication either), then it wouldn't have happened

andyb78

My 2p worth....

It's completely understandable, but ultimately you're not going to gain anything from it, apart from personal satisfaction maybe? Will it change her view of how she drives or her perception (used in a loose way in both senses!) of cyclists?

I got knocked off last summer by the driver of a ratty BMW who lost control trying to power into a different lane as the inside one became a bus lane. About 20 mph, clipped in, and over the front of the handlebars I went. First thought - "$heit - is the bike alright?" Second thought, "bergger, that hurt a bit." Said driver then got out of his car, with a claw hammer, and started to remonstrate with me over damaging his car. At this point, red mist descended, I removed the hammer from the fella and told him in no uncertain terms to Foxtrot Oscar before he needed his hammer surgically removed from a particular orifice. He did this. Don't want any "cool story bro!" memes or anything for this - wasn't at all proud of what happened and how I behaved (a bit ashamed really), but I think it's a good illustration of how coming into a situation at a certain level can escalate it, with the other party responding in kind, when normally they wouldn't take that cause of action. My missus asked me when I got home why I didn't call the police - I responded that, in the state I was in, they were far more likely to arrest me that the person who could have killed me. I really thing that adrenalin plays a massive part in situations like this though!

Glad you're OK though and there's no lasting damage.

cornerblock

junglist_matty wrote:

If I was the other cyclist I'd have thrown you off your bike then make you apologise!

That's if you'd stopped at the lights!

Edit: As you may already have been told.

daddy0

I have stopped motorists in similar circumstances, I try to remain calm and talk to them like human beings, but if the survival adrenalin kicks in and the driver is aggressive I can't help but fight fire with fire and break out my vast vocab of swearies. I have often thought to myself after the fact "I wish I'd just taken their keys and dropped them down a drain", but never actually done it.

In one similar(ish) incident I kept control and reported a driver to the police, but it was a complete waste of time - although please don't let this stop anyone from doing so in the future. My experience with the police has given me a much more vigilante attitude TBH, which in turn makes me sympathise with the OP who is my new hero. :twisted:

t4tomo

Pufftmw wrote:

t4tomo wrote:

Pufftmw wrote:

Came down Bayswater Road to Lancaster Gate. I positioned myself clearly in the middle of left hand lane and was slowing down to stop at the lights. Woman in a Golf type car undertakes on my left and forces me into the next lane :shock: :shock:
)

if there is room for a golf to undertake then clearly you weren't in the middle of the left lane, you were too far over to the right.

This whole sorry tale could have been avoided with better road positioning.

I was positioned about where the red arrowhead is, heading in that direction to the red lights - she chose to cut in at the last moment...



But you are right, if she had made the effort to move across in time and not at the last moment (no indication either), then it wouldn't have happened

Ah thats the middle lane of 5 not the left hand lane.

Yes you over reacted a bit and you defo shouldn't have stopped at the red light

bushu

i've always said & not going to change for a while, if they start arguing, give them a slap!
You can't argue with a fucking idiot..

bushu

more upset you apologised and the other cyclist not pointing out the mistake nevermind joining in with her, and if it was a bloke then he gets hit before he gets out of the car I aint dancing on these SPD-SL catching the twats once they've realised they can't fucking bully or intimidate out of their metal boxes :evil:

anewman

The Dunning-Kruger effect. (The driver).

MrSweary

Asprilla wrote:

Massive over reaction and I, for one, would have applauded you had I been there to witness it.

This.

itboffin

Zen fella for your own sanity if anything else, cycling in London or any major city you've gotta chill

Plus that sort of behaviour won't make the drivers actions seem wrong to her in fact she'll no doubt be telling everyone how she was assaulted on the way to work.

Tut! finger wag and eye rolling should be the commuters weapons of choice

oh and beer of course 8)

First.Aspect

I have a go at motorists occasionally. I even might be described as grumpy.

However, to be honest, you are guilty of road rage.

I would tend to take the view that if you are sufficiently out of control to reach into a car like that, getting all grabby, its not too far of a step to take a swipe at someone. What would you have done if she'd pushed you away? Do you think it would have escalated further?

I also wonder, how bloody angry do you get when cycling? Its worth not being angry as all hell when you are on the road, no matter what conveyance you are operating.

vitesse169

BelgianBeerGeek wrote:

If it's any help, I don't see you have done anything wrong.

She is clearly dangerous and next time she's driving around London reading her emails it could be anyone else.

^^This^^

Just look at the replies that say "I've lost it with these drivers" - "I can understand why", etc,etc. Then gone on to say you over reacted.
The point is this tart is driving without due care and attention. EVERY driver knows that using mobile phones/ipad/reading papers/maps IS illegal/dangerous/NOT to be done behind the wheel of a car. Why should she sail thru life doing this daily (probably) for years until she kills/maims another vulnerable road user - then pleads momentary lapse of attention etc and is v sorry.
We are here because 25 years ago some pinko bedwetter decided to have non competitive sports at school 'cos we're all winners then... crap - it's now a chalkboard.... crap... he/she is an underachiever.... crap...
We make excuses and apologise for all wrongdoing in this country now and wonder why we have ended where we are....!

Rant over, not sorry for it as it needed saying....... (hides from incoming....)

greg66_tri_v2.0

vitesse169 wrote:

^^This^^

Just look at the replies that say "I've lost it with these drivers" - "I can understand why", etc,etc. Then gone on to say you over reacted.
The point is this tart

At which point I stopped reading, because nothing sensible was going to follow.

cje

A definite over-reaction, but you're only human and these things happen. I try to keep cool when encountering poor driving, as arguing / fighting at the road side is never a good look.

Keeping calm and saying something like "Seeing as you've got your browser open, you might want to search for a driving school" would probably have made her feel a bit stupid and perhaps taught her a lesson.

vermin

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

vitesse169 wrote:

^^This^^

Just look at the replies that say "I've lost it with these drivers" - "I can understand why", etc,etc. Then gone on to say you over reacted.
The point is this tart

At which point I stopped reading, because nothing sensible was going to follow.

That's hardly the spirit. Have you never heard of have-a-go heros? We're all vigilantes now. It's the wild west and I'm the Sundance Kid. :roll: