Which Wheels - CERO AR30 or Mavic Ksyrium Elite

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  • dstev55
    dstev55 Posts: 742
    To be honest I would imagine what they have put on their website applies to 99% of wheels, it's just that most manufacturers know they will last well past the warranty period without any maintenance so don't state things like that.

    I think if there were problems with them you'd at least see the odd bad review.

    Plus at £280 I believe their performance is so good I'd be quite happy to pay the same again for another set in 2-3 years time if needs be.
  • Rigga
    Rigga Posts: 939
    I am tempted by these but fulcrum racing 3s with Conti gp4000s tyres are only £335 at merlin and every now and again they reduce them more to £305 which is what I'm waiting for.
  • jonnyc1973
    jonnyc1973 Posts: 45
    They are back up to 380. :(
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    Maybe they think the phoney review a few posts ago is going to make everyone want to buy them at that price...
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  • warrior4life
    warrior4life Posts: 925
    I've owned AR30's for a few years and they're phenomenal when it comes to performance.
    I don't jet wash them and I strip and service the hubs after a lot of wet riding, its pretty easy. Cassette off and then 2 x5mm allen keys.
    They aren't as durable as Mavic or Shimano but they're way easier to service and bearings are cheap.
    There seem to be a lot of this style of hub around nowadays, they don't weigh much and they work well you just have to look after them a little more. I clean my bike properly every couple of weeks and an extra 10 mins on the wheels is no big deal to me. They easily knock over 10 mins off my 40 mile route so it all ads up.
    If you're a bike gypo and not in to maintenance then probably not for you.
  • Bobbinogs
    Bobbinogs Posts: 4,841
    How do you service a cartridge based hub though, particularly if you are only armed with a couple of allen keys? When I service a cup/cone hub I take the ball bearings out and clean them, clean and regrease the cups/cones and then reassembly...with a minor tweak to the preload adjustment after a ride or so.

    I thought cartridge hubs would be a case of pulling the bearings with an extractor, cleaning any gunk out, replacing the bearings if needed and then reinserting with the appropriate tool, with a minor adjustment to the preload afterwards. Hence, not a lot of servicing, more a case of periodic replacement using a few specialist tools. Am I wrong?
  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    antfly wrote:
    Maybe they think the phoney review a few posts ago is going to make everyone want to buy them at that price...

    If you do a simple google search you will find most reveiws are overwhelmingly positive on a variety of forums as well on the cycle division website - read this thread itself. I have had the wheels for 4 years and I have not had "issues" with the hubs that you allude to. You do not have the wheels and have not appeared to have ever ridden them, yet you have made some rather bizarre negative connotations. I would consider your posting on this thread to be more overwhelmingly of the shill variety than the post you refer to.
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    letap73 wrote:
    antfly wrote:
    Maybe they think the phoney review a few posts ago is going to make everyone want to buy them at that price...

    If you do a simple google search you will find most reveiws are overwhelmingly positive on a variety of forums as well on the cycle division website - read this thread itself. I have had the wheels for 4 years and I have not had "issues" with the hubs that you allude to. You do not have the wheels and have not appeared to have ever ridden them, yet you have made some rather bizarre negative connotations. I would consider your posting on this thread to be more overwhelmingly of the shill variety than the post you refer to.

    Do you believe it to be a genuine post from someone who joined the day before just to make that post and who will never post again ?
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  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    antfly wrote:
    letap73 wrote:
    antfly wrote:
    Maybe they think the phoney review a few posts ago is going to make everyone want to buy them at that price...

    If you do a simple google search you will find most reveiws are overwhelmingly positive on a variety of forums as well on the cycle division website - read this thread itself. I have had the wheels for 4 years and I have not had "issues" with the hubs that you allude to. You do not have the wheels and have not appeared to have ever ridden them, yet you have made some rather bizarre negative connotations. I would consider your posting on this thread to be more overwhelmingly of the shill variety than the post you refer to.
    Maybe you need to read the thread to see I am not a shill.
    Do you believe it to be a genuine post from someone who joined the day before just to make that post and who will never post again ?

    In your own words - "be skeptical of all the glowing reviews" you choose to ignore the positive reviews from other posters on this thread - the overwhelming ride experience appears to be very good - all the poster you refer to does is pretty much say what other posters have said. They have rated very highly in the cycling weekly group tests. From a google search for reviews here is the first result up:
    http://www.sportive.com/cero-ar30-super ... set-review
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    I am glad people are happy with their wheels but you didn't answer the question. It's clearly a shill and it's only right to point it out..
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  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    antfly wrote:
    I am glad people are happy with their wheels but you didn't answer the question. It's clearly a shill and it's only right to point it out..
    The guy has made 3 posts - 1 on these wheels, typing very little and effectively repeating other peoples experiences. He may make only 3 posts but there are lots of reasons he might do this e.g. bored on the internet sees Bike radar sees a few interesting threads makes a couple of comments and then never posts again. I have no idea whether he is a shill or not, if he is then he has not done a very good job.There is no evidence if the guy is a shill or not. But by all means you can choose to ignore the other positive posts and make unfounded claims.
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    Do me a favour...
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  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    antfly wrote:
    Do me a favour...

    I guess you won the argument by saying that :lol:

    This is the guys first post - I think he might have wanted to show off his very nice bike perhaps rather than being a paid shill for cycledivision:

    viewtopic.php?f=40044&t=13060598
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    They always make a couple of innocuous posts first, it makes it a tiny bit less obvious.
    You are starting to look quite evangelical about these wheels yourself. :wink:
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  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    antfly wrote:
    They always make a couple of innocuous posts first, it makes it a tiny bit less obvious.
    You are starting to look quite evangelical about these wheels yourself. :wink:


    True shilling is an art form, now that you recognise it here endeth the lesson :lol:
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    edited February 2016
    Trust nobody, kids... :o
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  • sebbyp
    sebbyp Posts: 106
    look like £380 to me?
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,035
    sebbyp wrote:
    look like £380 to me?
    jonnyc1973 wrote:
    They are back up to 380. :(
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  • Spartacus1981
    Spartacus1981 Posts: 254
    Dammmmitttt. I always leave these things too late.
  • Bobbinogs
    Bobbinogs Posts: 4,841
    Personally, I think I would currently opt for the new Mavics. The Cero AR24s are nice wheels but they really don't hold a line well and I am sure that most of that is down to the fact that a rim with an internal width of only 13.6mm just doesn't allow the tyre to be as it should, even when matched with some very nice rubber (Schwalbe Ones in my case). The AR30s run on similar rims so I am guessing that they may have similar properties in that they go straight nice and smoothly, climb really well but on descents (particularly technical ones) they seem to be very sketchy although the braking is good and even. Then again, it could well be the roads at the moment (February is never a good time for descending PBs) so it will be interesting to see how some new wider profile handbuilt wheels handle things, I have these on order as my new fancypants winter wheels :-)
  • warrior4life
    warrior4life Posts: 925
    Bobbinogs wrote:
    How do you service a cartridge based hub though, particularly if you are only armed with a couple of allen keys? When I service a cup/cone hub I take the ball bearings out and clean them, clean and regrease the cups/cones and then reassembly...with a minor tweak to the preload adjustment after a ride or so.

    I thought cartridge hubs would be a case of pulling the bearings with an extractor, cleaning any gunk out, replacing the bearings if needed and then reinserting with the appropriate tool, with a minor adjustment to the preload afterwards. Hence, not a lot of servicing, more a case of periodic replacement using a few specialist tools. Am I wrong?

    That's about right but there's no preload, you just tighten the end caps and you're good to go.
    When I service them I take the freehub off, wipe the inside out, remove the pawls and springs, clean them and pop it all back together. I find doing this keep them running smooth and I have no problems with bearings either, I avoid a jet wash, degreasers and hose pipe around the hubs and the bearings are still silky smooth.
    I had American classic Aero420's and Soul 2.0 wheels a few years ago and they were similar although American classic front hub was hard to stay on top of as the cartridge bearing was exposed to the elements.
    All these wheels are good and feel like they outperform Mavic and Shimano, I had the Dura Ace 7850cl and they felt noticeably slower than my American Classics. The AR30s feel exactly the same as the American classics.
    The only wheels I've had the felt quicker are Zipp 404s and Cero RC45's.
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    So which wheels are thy " easily 10 minutes faster than over 40 miles" ?
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  • warrior4life
    warrior4life Posts: 925
    antfly wrote:
    So which wheels are thy " easily 10 minutes faster than over 40 miles" ?

    Cosmic elites, and Kysriums. Standard go to mid level wheels. Got the Elites on a Scott Foil.
    No problems with any wheels, Mavic are great but the Cero wheels feel and are faster, like I said earlier I'm a little more careful with them and service them more often but its not a problem, I love tinkering with bikes.
    I'm not being negative about any other wheels I just think the Cero's are very good and so do many others.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    Two guys at my club have had to walk home after their cero freehubs stopped engaging.
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  • nicklong
    nicklong Posts: 231
    warrior4life wrote:
    I've owned AR30's for a few years and they're phenomenal when it comes to performance.
    ...
    I clean my bike properly every couple of weeks and an extra 10 mins on the wheels is no big deal to me. They easily knock over 10 mins off my 40 mile route so it all ads up.
    If you're a bike gypo and not in to maintenance then probably not for you.

    One of the daftest statements I've ever read. Assuming you roll at 20mph, the wheels make you 8.3% quicker!!!!

    Of course, your ratio of time outdoors riding : time indoors maintaining wheels is now tilted in the wrong direction. I'd rather spend an extra 10 minutes out riding...
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    gsk82 wrote:
    Two guys at my club have had to walk home after their cero freehubs stopped engaging.

    IF those were built on the Chosen hubs, I'd be surprised if the pawls stopped engaging, as they are pretty well engineered things, not dissimilar from Hope freehubs.

    IF those were built on a 10 speed older Bitex RAR hub, I am not surprised at all, as the spring/retainer is basically a rubber bands and when it fails there is no engagement. This has been corrected in the newer 11 speed ones, which have self sprung pawls and work much much better
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  • warrior4life
    warrior4life Posts: 925
    They're built on Chosen hubs.
  • Richard66
    Richard66 Posts: 11
    Just want to point out to "antfly" that I posted last week to give my honest opinion of my experience of the Cero AR30 wheels. Yes, I'm a newbie to posting but have visited the forum many times to get a feeling for people's opinions of kit etc. When I saw the question posted by the OP I felt qualified to comment. If you read the other comments, the vast majority are positive re. these wheels. If someone disagrees with my opinion that is fine and their perogative but don't insist that my post is fake just because it supports your view.
    P.S. I have also posted about Fizik R5B shoes and tht was another honest account of my experience with them...and not a glowing review
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    People can make up their own minds about you and your posts...apparently true shilling is an art form.
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  • dstev55
    dstev55 Posts: 742
    antfly wrote:
    People can make up their own minds about you and your posts...apparently true shilling is an art form.

    Some people just can't let things go, too many people like you on this forum unfortunately.

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