La Gazzetta on Horner

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Dude's putting all your token heroes to shame ... on and off the bike ...
    Exactly how is he putting Indiana Jones and Neil Armstrong to shame?
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  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    RichN95 wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Dude's putting all your token heroes to shame ... on and off the bike ...
    Exactly how is he putting Indiana Jones and Neil Armstrong to shame?

    He achieved his success at a younger age ... :wink:
  • adamfo
    adamfo Posts: 763
    Joelsim wrote:
    One minor point here is the date of the passport - March 2013. Was the Vuelta in March? Eh?

    Actually horner's site shows 5 lab results for the 2013 Vuelta period :idea:
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Crankbrother wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Dude's putting all your token heroes to shame ... on and off the bike ...
    Exactly how is he putting Indiana Jones and Neil Armstrong to shame?

    He achieved his success at a younger age ... :wink:
    No he didn't. Both Jones and Armstrong had their greatest achievements at the age of 38.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    RichN95 wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Dude's putting all your token heroes to shame ... on and off the bike ...
    Exactly how is he putting Indiana Jones and Neil Armstrong to shame?

    He achieved his success at a younger age ... :wink:
    No he didn't. Both Jones and Armstrong had their greatest achievements at the age of 38.

    I think we both know ... It takes either a pseudo-British passport or more info on blood values than Dracula's sommelier to verify your age/achievement ratio ...
  • vs
    vs Posts: 468
    Joelsim wrote:
    One minor point here is the date of the passport - March 2013. Was the Vuelta in March? Eh?

    :oops:
  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    RichN95 wrote:
    No he didn't. Both Jones and Armstrong had their greatest achievements at the age of 38.
    Hold on a second... I'm prepared to accept that Jones' greatest achievement was the recovery of the Holy Grail in 1938 (although one might argue that his earlier 1936 quest for the Ark of the Covenant was a more accomplished feat, especially given his lack of parental support and the bungling presence of Marion for that first endeavour). Either way, as Jones was born 1st July 1899... I would have him down at 39, given that the Grail was finally located in late July.

    Still I agree that Chris Horner's religious artifact palmares is woefully lacking, doped or not.

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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    edited September 2013
    Double post
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Joelsim wrote:
    vs wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    One minor point here is the date of the passport - March 2013. Was the Vuelta in March? Eh?

    :oops:

    Ah, I didn't scroll down to see all of them.

    Doesn't it seem a bit odd that his hematocrit was 10% lower in March than it was at the start of the Vuelta? A value of 45% is on the high side if you read Tyler's book.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    I would have thought if the values were suspect then the UCI would be looking into them already
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    sherer wrote:
    I would have thought if the values were suspect then the UCI would be looking into them already
    Unfortunately, unlike the internet, there are things may prevent them from bringing a case against Horner. Things like knowledge and understanding.
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  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    I still think it's curious that someone tried to test him the day after the Vuelta

    Ignoring the whereabouts hotels mix-up for a minute, what would they hope to see after he'd finished racing - do you dope the day after ?

    Or were they imagining he was juicing but getting through the in-comp stage-end tests he'd have had as race leader and stage winner and so on, so they had some new first thing in morning test for him when he surely wouldn't expect it ?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    andy_wrx wrote:
    I still think it's curious that someone tried to test him the day after the Vuelta

    Ignoring the whereabouts hotels mix-up for a minute, what would they hope to see after he'd finished racing - do you dope the day after ?

    Or were they imagining he was juicing but getting through the in-comp stage-end tests he'd have had as race leader and stage winner and so on, so they had some new first thing in morning test for him when he surely wouldn't expect it ?
    Or maybe they just wanted to be seen to be testing. It got leaked to the media awfully quickly.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,548
    andy_wrx wrote:
    I still think it's curious that someone tried to test him the day after the Vuelta

    Ignoring the whereabouts hotels mix-up for a minute, what would they hope to see after he'd finished racing - do you dope the day after ?

    Or were they imagining he was juicing but getting through the in-comp stage-end tests he'd have had as race leader and stage winner and so on, so they had some new first thing in morning test for him when he surely wouldn't expect it ?
    The post race test that never happened was conducted on behalf of USADA. The tests he'd have had as part of being the Vuelta leader and stage winner would've been done by the Spanish ADA and the results of those may not have been available to USADA.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    andy_wrx wrote:
    I still think it's curious that someone tried to test him the day after the Vuelta

    Ignoring the whereabouts hotels mix-up for a minute, what would they hope to see after he'd finished racing - do you dope the day after ?

    Agree - and unlikely to dope for the Madrid stage, so anything in him would have been at a higher level the day before.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    andy_wrx wrote:
    I still think it's curious that someone tried to test him the day after the Vuelta

    Ignoring the whereabouts hotels mix-up for a minute, what would they hope to see after he'd finished racing - do you dope the day after ?

    Agree - and unlikely to dope for the Madrid stage, so anything in him would have been at a higher level the day before.

    We all know you don't take dope the day before an important stage, right? If the rumours are right, you'd be using EPO to mask transfusions etc, so that would happen more regularly. And as they're looking for blood anomalies it's important to get that right - So that's what the ADA's will be looking for - more testing is more likely to get something
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Worth a read:
    http://bikerackheads.blogspot.com/2013/ ... gical.html
    Contador is the Greatest
  • mechanism
    mechanism Posts: 891
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Worth a read:
    http://bikerackheads.blogspot.com/2013/ ... gical.html

    I like the "I'm no expert in reading blood values..." but that's not going to stop me writing an article about it on the internet.
  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    Mechanism wrote:
    I like the "I'm no expert in reading blood values..." but that's not going to stop me writing an article about it on the internet.
    Thanks for that post, you've saved me clicking the link and wasting time reading yet more made-up nonsense on this subject.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    There is little opinion in that article. Just facts. Oh well.
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  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    frenchfighter wrote:
    There is little opinion in that article. Just facts. Oh well.
    <pauses for thought>
    ...
    Ah, I have seen the cunning trick you were trying there. No, I'm NOT going to click the link!

    :wink:
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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    frenchfighter wrote:
    There is little opinion in that article. Just facts. Oh well.

    It's interesting, but again the use of the word 'fact' is misplaced.

    There's lots of interpretation of raw data by a (self confessed) non-expert in the field.

    If an expert comes along and draws the same conclusions, more significance, but still only interpretation.

    Even the comments below show one very clear mis-interpretation of the data.

    The experts do actually have the data though so let's see what they come back with.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Horner has pulled out from all racing for the end of the season, apparently from broken ribs...

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  • kamil1891
    kamil1891 Posts: 658
    Now, another ~10 years of injuries, comes back at the age of ~50 to win the TdF. Seems legit.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Dodgy Geezer. Beating and cheating the system.

    Let's hope Mr Cookson brings in some more stringent measures than what are there at the moment. In my view it's almost impossible to get caught doping under the current system unless you're a complete idiot.

    The guy is taking the piss.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Joelsim wrote:
    In my view it's almost impossible to get caught doping under the current system unless you're a complete idiot

    Genuine question: how are you feeling about the JTL situation then?
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    The same as most I suspect. He appears to have been a naughty boy. And a stupid one too.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Worth a read:
    http://bikerackheads.blogspot.com/2013/ ... gical.html

    Loving the ad at the bottom from epoboost.com!
  • adamfo
    adamfo Posts: 763
    Simon E wrote:
    Mechanism wrote:
    I like the "I'm no expert in reading blood values..." but that's not going to stop me writing an article about it on the internet.
    Thanks for that post, you've saved me clicking the link and wasting time reading yet more made-up nonsense on this subject.

    There are some good links on that website. This one and others from the British Journal of Pharmacology are worth reading.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3372716/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2439521/

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