The UCI report leaked

dave_1

alleges a lot of corruption by Pat M
http://velonews.competitor.com/

drags in Contador too, not just LA. It the "before the cover up was completed" that worries me..hope ALberto not a willing party to the deal
http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/file ... cument.pdf

LA stuff no surprise but

"There is testimonial evidence that after the rider Alberto Contador failed a doping test in
2010, UCI tried to engage in a cover-up of the failed test in exchange for money. The witness who provided this testimony advised the efforts were not successful because the media became
aware of the story before the cover-up could be completed. The witness claims there are other
witnesses who can provide corroborative testimony."

ddraver

As Cillian Kelly says - it speaks volumes about McQuaid's character that none of the revelations are at all surprising

As our own Iain says - (I can't remember how he put it) Igor Marakov-Now there's a trusty, reliable source we can all believe in...

(and seriously Dave, the Contador allegation is the least surprising of the lot, that was obvious at the time)

Richmond Racer

Karsten Kroon claimed back in Mar 2012 that McQuaid had called Bert to tell him that he wanted to keep Bert's positive hushed up

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kroon-a ... s-problems

"Listen, a month after his positive control in the Tour of 2010, Alberto was personally called by UCI President Pat McQuaid, who told him he wanted to keep that quiet. But then it was leaked by the German television.”

blazing_saddles

Oh, I thought the idea of the Vrijman Report being proof read and edited by Lance's legal eagles quite a surprise.

I thought the it ( the strong rumour at least) fairly common knowledge that the UCI had tried to sit on Bertie's positive?
At that point in time, they hadn't been USADA'd and were still doing what they had done in the past.
No doubt another nice little earner for Pat.

Richmond Racer

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Oh, I thought the idea of the Vrijman Report being proof read and edited by Lance's legal eagles quite a surprise.

I thought the it ( the strong rumour at least) fairly common knowledge that the UCI had tried to sit on Bertie's positive?
At that point in time, they hadn't been USADA'd and were still doing what they had done in the past.
No doubt another nice little earner for Pat.

Yeah - but I think the allegation that it was in exchange for dosh, is a new one

Pross

I see PM's latest bid to get re-elected is to warn of the dangers that not having a UCI member on the IOC could have on cycling's representation at the Olympics. Now, I don't know much about the IOC but I assume Pat will stay on in his position there even if not elected so that sounds a lot like a threat by him that he wouldn't work in cycling's interests if he loses the UCI job.

iainf72

Kimmage's evidence didn't amount to a hill of beans for the attempt at a Swiss case.

This whole thing just feels like Makarov trying to be kingmaker for Cookson. He's got the financial means to keep anyone in check.

Richmond Racer

Pross wrote:

I see PM's latest bid to get re-elected is to warn of the dangers that not having a UCI member on the IOC could have on cycling's representation at the Olympics. Now, I don't know much about the IOC but I assume Pat will stay on in his position there even if not elected so that sounds a lot like a threat by him that he wouldn't work in cycling's interests if he loses the UCI job.

He has that position with the IOC because he's chief honcho for a sports governing body. No more honcho, I'd imagine goodbye IOC seat, and they'd elect someone else in his place, maybe from another sport.

Not that having him on the IOC has done diddly for more events on future Olympic programs this go around

jonomc4

Dave_1 wrote:

alleges a lot of corruption by Pat M
http://velonews.competitor.com/

Wow when you read that through it makes very scary reading Pat M is either having the biggest and most precise stitch up in history done on him - or basically he should be put in prison. No wonder he is fighting so hard to stay in control and manage this away.

mfin

Hmmmm... good stuff

vinnymarsden

I truly think If PMQ gets re-elected then there really is no credibility for the UCI...it needs a complete shakedown from top to bottom.....I'm not casting aspersions about PMQ, I don't know the guy, and I'm sure 95% of his intentions have been aimed at the good of cycling, but the reports "leaked" synopsis cannot make comfortable reading for anyone with the UCI's interests at heart...come the vote I think it's just time to put a new guy at the helm, thank PMQ for his work and move on.
There has been no quarter given, and neither should there have been to name/denounce the doping athletes, so now the hierarchy have got to take their turn in the dock...it's been an unpleasant couple of years for the UCI and personally I think PMQ should have stood down, but he doesn't seem that type of character...so here we are with a really toxic election, which really does just seem about clinging on to power as opposed to what's best for the UCI overall.
My 2pennorth FWIW.....

joelsim

I agree. Sepp Blatter would fit in well as a replacement.

goonz

Surely he must get out of the lime light now?

hstiles

jonomc4 wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

alleges a lot of corruption by Pat M
http://velonews.competitor.com/

Wow when you read that through it makes very scary reading Pat M is either having the biggest and most precise stitch up in history done on him - or basically he should be put in prison. No wonder he is fighting so hard to stay in control and manage this away.

Of course it's the mother of all stitch ups; it's being done by a Russian. They pretty much perfected the art of denouncing someone. Once the election is over and Cookson is declared president, McQuaid will be shipped off to the Gulag.

Richmond Racer

It really is one of those moments when McQuaid and Verbruggen should have learned from the Lance-Floyd lesson.....

Never hack off someone who really does have the power to bring you down

HUBRIS

mroli

Has anyone read McQuaid's letters to the Federations? Basically he says it was all a stitch up, not true and pretty much puts the blame at Cookson's door for it. Which is pretty much Pat just mudslinging as much as he can in response. He is the one tarnishing the UCI, not anyone else.

Bo Duke

There is no way such allegations can be made and not thoroughly investigated. The fact the Russian and US representatives raised these concerns is pretty indicative, these 2 nations hardly get along at the moment. Pat can send mudslinging letters however he'll fool no one unless he's paid them in advance.

Its good to air this corruption, the UCI like cyclists need to get their dirty washing out so when the new guy comes in it can be openly discussed, lessons learned and procedures put in place to ensure it can't happen again.

Sport like time, can't go backwards, but we can ensure the quality of the people employed to run sport is appropriate to the responsibility held, and accountable to a wider audience.

rob churchill

Richmond Racer wrote:

Pross wrote:

I see PM's latest bid to get re-elected is to warn of the dangers that not having a UCI member on the IOC could have on cycling's representation at the Olympics. Now, I don't know much about the IOC but I assume Pat will stay on in his position there even if not elected so that sounds a lot like a threat by him that he wouldn't work in cycling's interests if he loses the UCI job.

He has that position with the IOC because he's chief honcho for a sports governing body. No more honcho, I'd imagine goodbye IOC seat, and they'd elect someone else in his place, maybe from another sport.

Not that having him on the IOC has done diddly for more events on future Olympic programs this go around

And Verbruggen just lost his kushty little IOC job, which hardly suggests that the PMQ/Verbruggen team is held in much esteem round those parts.

ddraver

Bo Duke wrote:

There is no way such allegations can be made and not thoroughly investigated

Yeah let us know how you get on with that....

(sorry, feeling rather cynical about cycling at the moment...)

Richmond Racer

ddraver wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

There is no way such allegations can be made and not thoroughly investigated

Yeah let us know how you get on with that....

(sorry, feeling rather cynical about cycling at the moment...)

I'm trying to work out how they're going to get that rocking...

UCI Ethics Commission - useless - ruled by McQuaid

IOC...erm...not a chance under Verbruggen's bestie Rogge, but now under new boy Bach....who allegedly Verbruggen had been trying to stop becoming IOC Prez....

slowbike

Nobody thought that perhaps PMQ had the report leaked? Afterall, what better way to have a go at your opponent than by releasing unproven info that would benefit them and try and discredit them for doing so.

Oh - and as mroli pointed out - PMQ is quite happy slinging mud at those he's accusing of being mudslingers ... without the slightest shred of evidence ... hmm ... I've got a black kettle here - anyone seen the pot?!

iainf72

The thought of an IOC ethics committee always makes me laugh

Richmond Racer

iainf72 wrote:

The thought of an IOC ethics committee always makes me laugh

Dont particularly disagree. But the problem here is the framework of self-governing, self-regulating bodies. The unanswerable question is who watches the watchers...the ultimate threat is the loss of incoming cash flow...

slowbike

Richmond Racer wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

The thought of an IOC ethics committee always makes me laugh

Dont particularly disagree. But the problem here is the framework of self-governing, self-regulating bodies. The unanswerable question is who watches the watchers...the ultimate threat is the loss of incoming cash cow...

corrected that for you ....

Richmond Racer

Slowbike wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

The thought of an IOC ethics committee always makes me laugh

Dont particularly disagree. But the problem here is the framework of self-governing, self-regulating bodies. The unanswerable question is who watches the watchers...the ultimate threat is the loss of incoming cash cow...

corrected that for you ....

Vast improvement

mididoctors

Its hard to believe its this grubby

Rodrego Hernandez

The worrying part is that Brian Cooksone was either aware and kept quiet or was unaware. In either case he hardly seems like the kind of leader we need to replace Mcquaid.

morstar

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

The worrying part is that Brian Cooksone was either aware and kept quiet or was unaware. In either case he hardly seems like the kind of leader we need to replace Mcquaid.

But unless you have a revolution, you're only ever going to get a member of an existing inner circle replacing an incumbent. All you can hope for is an improvement on the predecessor.

I like the idea of revolution in principle but how many sports end up with multiple governing bodies and multiple world champions (e.g. boxing and darts)? Those sports look like a joke from the outside. Revolution only works if the vast majority are genuinely ready to start afresh. A power vacuum in cycling won't benefit anybody other than the shrewdest operators who thrive in such situations.

Richmond Racer

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

The worrying part is that Brian Cooksone was either aware and kept quiet or was unaware. In either case he hardly seems like the kind of leader we need to replace Mcquaid.

The Cyclingnews comments section keeping you busy?

bompington

morstar wrote:

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

A power vacuum in cycling won't benefit anybody other than the shrewdest operators who thrive in such situations.

For instance the oligarchs who thrived in the post-soviet chaos and corruption. Thank goodness there are none of those anywhere near cycling :?

deejay

Slowbike wrote:

Oh - and as mroli pointed out - PMQ is quite happy slinging mud at those he's accusing of being mudslingers ... without the slightest shred of evidence ... hmm ... I've got a black kettle here - anyone seen the pot?!

Oh I can't say I see it but the noise it makes can be heard even here, plainly shouting "Black"