enve 3.4 or zipp 202 ?

pearceygy

Going to take the plunge and and buy myself the best all round wheel set available and I've have narrowed it down to these two.
Both have great reviews but wanted to hear from someone on here that has actually used them.

DHA987S

Had the same choice to make recently. The enve are more aero but the 202s lighter. Both are great wheels but the price (from Merlin) on the 202s was what did it for me.

napoleond

Zipp 88/188 hubs are awful if that makes any difference...

turnerjohn

NapoleonD wrote:

Zipp 88/188 hubs are awful if that makes any difference...

I've heard that but no-ones said why their so bad ? whats the beef ? which would be better ?

pearceygy

DHA987S wrote:

Had the same choice to make recently. The enve are more aero but the 202s lighter. Both are great wheels but the price (from Merlin) on the 202s was what did it for me.

How are you getting on with the 202s ?

napoleond

turnerjohn wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

Zipp 88/188 hubs are awful if that makes any difference...

I've heard that but no-ones said why their so bad ? whats the beef ? which would be better ?

Build quality poor. I know two people who have had hubs fail (I.e. catastrophically sheer), one of whom was riding a national TT at the time.

I found that the rear bearings needed constant adjustment on my 808.

Grill

ENVE. Clearly. How is this even a choice?

markyone

as above +1

Monty Dog

Enve if you want to ride the wheels, Zipp if you like dealing with warranties.

700c

I imagine both are wonderful wheels, but they are clearly incredibly expensive.

If there are consistent concerns about hubs on a 2k Zipp wheelset, i'd steer well clear.

For my money, at a shallowish depth, you'd do well to look at Reynolds 32 plus crash warranty some great deals to be had, also the latest from mavic.

Ps in case you were worried, don't be put off by tubs. IMO this is the only way to properly realise the weight advantage of carbon wheels..

DavidJB

Neither FFWD's http://www.ffwdwheels.com/products/whee ... f2r-dt180/

saprkzz

Mavic R-SYS SLR's out of them two

thegreatdivide

700c wrote:

If there are consistent concerns about hubs on a 2k Zipp wheelset, i'd steer well clear.

Two threads on BR about a bad Zipp hub experience is far from consistent.

Zipp make great wheels.

Monty Dog

thegreatdivide wrote:

Zipp make great wheels that are under-built and aren't suited to real-life riding conditions.

FTFY - the half-dozen or so people I know who've had / got Zipp wheels has suffered rim or hub failures or warranty problems - whether that meets your definition of "great" I don't know?

ugo.santalucia

Monty Dog wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Zipp make great wheels that are under-built and aren't suited to real-life riding conditions.

FTFY - the half-dozen or so people I know who've had / got Zipp wheels has suffered rim or hub failures or warranty problems - whether that meets your definition of "great" I don't know?

Monty, in the absence of great roads for cycling, many people make do buying PRO-like equipment that help them dream of those amazing strips of tarmac. Whether the equipment is suitable to the day to day use is totally irrelevant as it is meant to look the part on the day of the Wiggle Dragon Ride or the Etape

Grill

saprkzz wrote:

Mavic R-SYS SLR's out of them two

Not even in the same class.

izza

Enve's all day long

sherer

I bought a set of Zip 202 clinchers and love them. Only riding them on good quality roads and they won't be seen out at all during the winter. No issues with them so far and if I had the money it's made me think about a set of 404s too but can't afford to get them as well.

Only wish these manufacturers would realise a purchase like this needs to be riden first but currently there's no way to try all the different options out

thegreatdivide

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Monty, in the absence of great roads for cycling, many people make do buying PRO-like equipment that help them dream of those amazing strips of tarmac. Whether the equipment is suitable to the day to day use is totally irrelevant as it is meant to look the part on the day of the Wiggle Dragon Ride or the Etape

You're like a stuck record.

spasypaddy

thegreatdivide wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Monty, in the absence of great roads for cycling, many people make do buying PRO-like equipment that help them dream of those amazing strips of tarmac. Whether the equipment is suitable to the day to day use is totally irrelevant as it is meant to look the part on the day of the Wiggle Dragon Ride or the Etape

You're like a stuck record.

and not a good one.

but dont worry he'll build you some 64 spoke wheels with tied spokes.

bondurant

Damn Ugo and his consistent opinions. How dare he?

700c

thegreatdivide wrote:

700c wrote:

If there are consistent concerns about hubs on a 2k Zipp wheelset, i'd steer well clear.

Two threads on BR about a bad Zipp hub experience is far from consistent.

Zipp make great wheels.

Hence the IF. You will also notice that I said that I imagine both are wonderful wheels, at the start of my comment. For £2k they should be.

I've heard anecdotal feedback across a number of sources criticizing Zipp hubs against those of their rivals, now I've no idea if this is in any way objective - but some may consider, for example, anything less than a fantastic hub on a £2k+ wheelset as an issue!

ugo.santalucia

spasypaddy wrote:

and not a good one.

but dont worry he'll build you some 64 spoke wheels with tied spokes.

Gosh, you read my mind... I was planning along these lines as my next fun winter wheels

http://surlybikes.com/parts/wheels/clown_shoe

When I had a few more spots on my cheeks and drooling over magazines, I was very much into windsurf... around 1992 that was... I bought all the state of the art gear... Neilpryde sail in monofilm with cambers, carbon mast and boom, Mistral Shredder speed board, the lot... then I got humiliated on a beach in Sardinia by a bunch of bearded German hippies on VW vans with their 1970s 4 meters long boards and canvas triangular sails... luckily that lesson served me well when I got back into cycling a few years later...

bristolpete

Have to say, bought and sold some lovely kit over the years but the price of Enve wheels makes me shudder. In pro-rata terms I can see the quality there but £2.3 retail is staggering. I was looking at Wheelsmiths website yesterday and concluded there are some sensible options on there for consumer bike riders wanting decent kit.

Monty Dog

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Gosh, you read my mind... I was planning along these lines as my next fun winter wheels

http://surlybikes.com/parts/wheels/clown_shoe

I've not quite gone that wide, but I've been playing around with 3" wide tyres on my 29er - I've got a new custom titanium frame coming from China for some serious bashing this winter.

ugo.santalucia

Monty Dog wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Gosh, you read my mind... I was planning along these lines as my next fun winter wheels

http://surlybikes.com/parts/wheels/clown_shoe

I've not quite gone that wide, but I've been playing around with 3" wide tyres on my 29er - I've got a new custom titanium frame coming from China for some serious bashing this winter.

Sounds like fun... I am looking into building something that can go from A to B in a straight line, through fields, water, ice, rocks, woods, stairs, the lot...

sherer

I think the main thing is to get something you are happy with. I love my Zipp 202s and find them much better than the wheels I took off. I've tailored my riding to make sure they don't get damaged as well. I'm sure there are better wheels out there, prob cheaper too, but so far i'm happy with what i've got and that is the main thing

bristolpete

sherer wrote:

I think the main thing is to get something you are happy with. I love my Zipp 202s and find them much better than the wheels I took off. I've tailored my riding to make sure they don't get damaged as well. I'm sure there are better wheels out there, prob cheaper too, but so far i'm happy with what i've got and that is the main thing

Well said that person.

guyw1lson

Enve 3.4 Tubs....light aero and rugged. I've ridden on some terrible roads in all weather with zero problems. The Chris King hubs are totally solid and easily serviced (you can't say that about the Zipps)... easy decision if you ask me. Any way what about the 303s there more similar to the 3.4s in terms of depth and aero performance.

mc juice

I've been demoing 3.4 & 202. would've considered 202 front & 303 rear, but frame can't accomodate 303. i weigh under 115 lbs, so liked 202s lighter weight & fast acceleration. 202 also felt smoother/gentler on weak hands.

3.4 feels stiffer, better in wind & faster overall. am leaning towards 3.4, in spite of little heavier weight. if i splurged on lighter DTS 180 carbon ceramic hubs, small 34g weight savings over the CK R45 ceramic road race hubs -- yeah silly but trying to knock a few grams off. any opinions between these 2 hubs without cost consideration?

napoleond

In no way whatsoever would you notice a difference in weight between CK hubs and DTs.