a short vid of a collision involving a cyclist

seiken77

Sometimes it is better to wait a bit longer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZAm-57WIVc

asprilla

Narrower handlebars required, obviously.

He should have got a bike with drops.

sketchley

Cyclist's fault that one, well done for staying upright mind...

notsoblue

Cyclist's fault, he should have seen the car was indicating.

rick_chasey

Silly billy.

Gazzaputt

what a d!ckhead what was wrong with drafting the bus?

If I were that car driver I'd have been furious.

fat_tail

definitely a twat... I see this sort of cycling (drafting a bus or lorry) so often its surprising I haven't witnessed more accidents.

jonny_trousers

Hybrid riders: know your place!

fossyant

Ha ha. That's got to hurt the old knackers !

graeme_s-2

Sometimes I watch these vids and think the cyclist's riding contributed to the accident and reflect that I may have put myself in similar situations in the past. In this case as soon as he pulled into the gap between the bus and the car I winced. That's not a position I would ever put myself in.

pitchshifter

Kudos to him for staying upright and refusing to clutch his man hood out of embarrassment.

navt

What a knob. TBF, car does get held up by right-turning van, indicates late and positions car in bike path... but he shouldn't have been there in the first place.

sketchley

Things he's doing wrong include.

Riding in the car's blind spot
Not anticipating the danger of the right turning van (or the junction in general)
Not spotting the indicator on the car
Riding between a bus and car at speed without ensuring either driver knows he's there
Riding a hybrid....

Car driver should have looked twice as well and isn't without blame but bad riding first and foremost. Although I doubt the cyclist saw it that way. Anyone on here know who it is?

DonDaddyD

See this is the other side of the story and ultimately why no one wins when it comes to discussions about improving road safety.

The cyclist isn't just in the blind spot of the car I doubt the bus driver can see him either. His positioning is the equivalent of being on the inside of a left turning vehicle at the lights.

It's stupid, foolhardy cycling and there really is no excuse for it.

EKE_38BPM

I made the mistake of reading the comments on youtube. Error on my part.

A few of the commentors say the driver should have done a shoulder check before moving around the van. These people obviously don't know how to drive very well. The only time a driver should do a shoulder check is when moving out from a parking space, otherwise, mirrors should suffice.
However, if some idiot (like the cyclist in the video), rides in the blindspot, collisions like this will happen.

Filtering at speed between a bus and cars past a junction whilst on a hybrid...Almost a Darwin award winner.

boblo

EKE_38BPM wrote:

The only time a driver should do a shoulder check is when moving out from a parking space, otherwise, mirrors should suffice.

Well that's just plain wrong isn't it? A shoulder check (lifesaver) is done to ensure there's nothing in your blind spot whilst moving left or right. Unless you are really, really certain nothing has crept into your blind spot, do a check. This is a Motorcyclsts 101 because they usually come of worst if something happens to be where they're moving to.

On_What

typical hybrid bandit, can't stand those fools.

DonDaddyD

EKE_38BPM wrote:

The only time a driver should do a shoulder check is when moving out from a parking space, otherwise, mirrors should suffice.

I can't believe you just typed that. It is really quite ridiculous.

Any time you are driving a vehicle and about to perform a manoeuvre you should check your blindspots to avoid potential situations like the one in the video.

graeme_s-2

DonDaddyD wrote:

I can't believe you just said that. It is really quite ridiculous.

Any time you are driving a vehicle and about to perform a manoeuvre you should check your blindspots to avoid potential situations like the one in the video.

Anyone else find that after they you start cycling regularly you end up shoulder checking while pushing a trolley in a supermarket, or even when just walking down the street?

Gallywomack

Graeme_S wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I can't believe you just said that. It is really quite ridiculous.

Any time you are driving a vehicle and about to perform a manoeuvre you should check your blindspots to avoid potential situations like the one in the video.

Anyone else find that after they you start cycling regularly you end up shoulder checking while pushing a trolley in a supermarket, or even when just walking down the street?

I wonder if hybrid-riding shoalers find themselves pushing in front of people in supermarket queues?

EKE_38BPM

You guys must spend half of your time facing backwards when driving forwards in heavy traffic.
What do you do if you are driving a van (with no windows behind the front doors)? Unless you have X-Ray vision, a shoulder check won't tell you anything. I'm not saying that you don't look through the door window, but that is pretty much accomplished at the same time as the mirror check.
You have to set up and use your mirrors properly and carefully though.

Considering my training to be a driving instructor, I stand by my position.

sketchley

I can back eke up, even if I don't necessarily agree with it... Mrs Sketchley is recently qualified driving instructor, she explained that shoulder checks except when pulling out will mean a failed test. Mirrors should be used in moving traffic as a shoulder check would mean eyes being always from front and centre for longer.

She also had examiner give her a driving fault fault for incorrect road positioning on her part 2 because she didn't drive in non-mandatory cycle lane when it was empty empty. The examiner's view, shared by a couple of other instructors i spoke with about it, is that you should as it can be interpreted as 'necessary' to maintain correct distance from the curb and Highway Code says not to drive in them unless 'necessary'. Again not something I agreed with but then again neither did Mrs Sketchley or her instructor.....

EKE_38BPM

Cheers, Sketchers me old mucker.

DonDaddyD

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Considering my training to be a driving instructor, I stand by my position.

You would have been a shite driving instructor:

Rule 161: Mirrors. All mirrors should be used effectively throughout your journey. You should

•Be aware that mirrors do not cover all areas and there will be blind spots. You will need to look round and check

Rule 163: Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

• use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out

I mean honestly, its just irresponsible to advise people that they don't need to check their blind spot when they're making a manouvre. Imagine doing that on the motorway for example.

In fact tell me where in the highway code it says that you shouldn't check your blind spot when making a manouvre?

EKE_38BPM

DonDaddyD wrote:

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Considering my training to be a driving instructor, I stand by my position.

You would have been a shite driving instructor:

Rule 163: Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

• use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out

I mean honestly, its just irresponsible to advise people that they don't need to check their blind spot when they're making a manouvre. Imagine doing that on the motorway for example.

Maybe I would have been a shite driving instructor, but if you read Sketchley's post you would have seen that I am right.
Or maybe you know better than someone who has done the training recently and someone who is married to someone who qualified recently and has spoken about this exact subject.


I wish I was DDD, then I'd know everything and would always be right.

EKE_38BPM

DonDaddyD wrote:

Rule 163: Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

• use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out

Also, Rule 163 says "sideways glance", not over the shoulder i.e.backwards, check.
Assuming one second to do your shoulder check, that is over 30 metres at motorway speeds. Thats a long way to travel facing the wrong direction.

EKE_38BPM

Ooh, an edit from DDD.

Tell me where in the Highway Code it tells you that you shouldn't tie your shoelaces when driving at 70mph in heavy fog twenty metres from the vehicle in front.

If you bring up a stupid point, I'll bring up one too

DonDaddyD

EKE_38BPM wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Considering my training to be a driving instructor, I stand by my position.

You would have been a shite driving instructor:

Rule 163: Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

• use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out

I mean honestly, its just irresponsible to advise people that they don't need to check their blind spot when they're making a manouvre. Imagine doing that on the motorway for example.

Maybe I would have been a shite driving instructor, but if you read Sketchley's post you would have seen that I am right.
Or maybe you know better than someone who has done the training recently and someone who is married to someone who qualified recently and has spoken about this exact subject.


I wish I was DDD, then I'd know everything and would always be right.

Tell me where in the highway code it says that you shouldn't check your blind spot when making a manouvre?

EKE_38BPM

I refer you to my previous post.

walkingbootweather

It is always best to check your blind spot - there may be a pretty girl in it.

DonDaddyD

EKE_38BPM wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Rule 163: Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

• use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out

Also, Rule 163 says "sideways glance", not over the shoulder i.e.backwards, check.
Assuming one second to do your shoulder check, that is over 30 metres at motorway speeds. Thats a long way to travel facing the wrong direction.

Whatever the movement, a shoulder check or glance, the qualifier of that bullet point is that you check the blind spot area.

Tell me where in the Highway Code it tells you that you shouldn't tie your shoelaces when driving at 70mph in heavy fog twenty metres from the vehicle in front.

If you bring up a stupid point, I'll bring up one too

It really isn't a stupid point I've raised though is it? It is a reasonable question. You've made a statement and I've asked you to back it up. It is not my fault that you cannot and it is not my fault that your best efforts at deflection are pathetic attempts to claim you've been asked a stupid question. I ask again, and supposedly, what with your 'driving instructor training', you are the best person to ask; where in the highcode does it suggest that the following is correct?

EKE wrote:

The only time a driver should do a shoulder check is when moving out from a parking space, otherwise, mirrors should suffice.

Also 253 to 273 of the Highway Code focuses on Motorways.

267: Do not overtake unless you are sure it is safe and legal to do so. Overtake only on the right. You should

take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area to verify the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror.