The end of Riis?

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited July 2013 in Pro race
I've often thought that after nuclear war, the only thing left would be cockroaches, tupperware and Riis. But it really feels like his time is running out

http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE20 ... il-doping/
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    For those who don't speak whatever that wacky language is, rough translation:
    "I've taken more drugs than Johnnie Rotten'.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Agreed, so much implication of Riis by others that he is starting to creak. Doping aside he is a great tactician, best DS of the last 15 years?
    @JaunePeril

    Winner of the Bike Radar Pro Race Wiggins Hour Prediction Competition
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    I'd be more concerned if it was Keith Richards he was comparing himself against
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    The personal anti doper vendetta's and the energy committed to them by some people on here is alarming.

    Yeah he's in trouble, yeah he was naughty but no worse than at least 95% of the rest get over it. It can't be healthy to get this much satisfaction from this stuff :?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    The issue here is more around CSC being dirty and him being involved / aware


    There has been talk he'll sell the WT licence to Tinkoff.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    Bo Duke wrote:
    For those who don't speak whatever that wacky language is, rough translation:
    "I've taken more drugs than Johnnie Rotten'.
    As someone that does speak that wacky language, that's not the articles content at all.

    The chicken has grassed Riis up for doping riders, it seems, and the Danish anti dopers have an investigation, where they've also interviewed Jaschke.

    Riis said a couple of days ago he has no intention of leaving cycling and ll
    Oops forward to contributing to the new cycling....
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    iainf72 wrote:
    The issue here is more around CSC being dirty and him being involved / aware


    There has been talk he'll sell the WT licence to Tinkoff.
    Tinkly threatened to sue a journal that repeated that.
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    iainf72 wrote:
    The issue here is more around CSC being dirty and him being involved / aware


    There has been talk he'll sell the WT licence to Tinkoff.

    Out of the frying pan......
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Bo Duke wrote:
    For those who don't speak whatever that wacky language is, rough translation:
    "I've taken more drugs than Johnnie Rotten'.


    Who needs Google Translate or a crash Rosetta Stone course...
  • oneof1982
    oneof1982 Posts: 703
    Google translate of Riis's comment:

    »Anti Doping Denmark has a study under way, and I respect it. As long as it runs, I have no comment. But I will be available to them if there is a need for it, "said Riis without neither confirm nor deny whether he is part of the investigation.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Judging by the hatred that is shown towards Armstrong and Bruyneel (even before the USADA stuff), i've always been puzzled why Bjarne and his teams get a relatively free ride.
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Judging by the hatred that is shown towards Armstrong and Bruyneel (even before the USADA stuff), i've always been puzzled why Bjarne and his teams get a relatively free ride.


    I'm not sure it's that much of a mystery. No total domination or peleton bullying in the Disco/Postal style and a (belated) confession by Riis as to his own misuse
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  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    The only way to, hopefully, eradicate the acceptance of doping in the sport, is to get rid of the "old guard" like Riis, who grew up with it and not only accept it but may even encourage it. Old habits die hard.
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Judging by the hatred that is shown towards Armstrong and Bruyneel (even before the USADA stuff), i've always been puzzled why Bjarne and his teams get a relatively free ride.


    I'm not sure it's that much of a mystery. No total domination or peloton bullying in the Disco/Postal style and a (belated) confession by Riis as to his own misuse

    You didn't watch the 2006 Giro then?

    Just look at the list of dodgy riders that he's managed over the years, could you honestly look me in the eye and tell me that Riis was unaware of all that? Sure, they never dominated Le Tour like USPS, and I guess that means he gets less attention from fans and from the media that USPS did.

    If cycling wants to have any credibility at all then it needs to purge itself of people like Riis.
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Judging by the hatred that is shown towards Armstrong and Bruyneel (even before the USADA stuff), i've always been puzzled why Bjarne and his teams get a relatively free ride.


    I'm not sure it's that much of a mystery. No total domination or peloton bullying in the Disco/Postal style and a (belated) confession by Riis as to his own misuse

    You didn't watch the 2006 Giro then?

    Just look at the list of dodgy riders that he's managed over the years, could you honestly look me in the eye and tell me that Riis was unaware of all that? Sure, they never dominated Le Tour like USPS, and I guess that means he gets less attention from fans and from the media that USPS did.

    If cycling wants to have any credibility at all then it needs to purge itself of people like Riis.

    Inky you asked a question and I gave what I thought was a plausible answer based on what I saw as the differences between the two scenarios. Also I don't see how you can equate one Giro with seven TdF's
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Fair point, so are you saying that because they didn't dominate the sport then their doping is OK, or is it because they didn't bully everybody who questioned them?

    I amy be misjudging your viewpoint, but the whole idea that some dopers get an easier ride because they seem like nice people bugs me, but then again I always had a soft spot for big Jan and I even enjoyed watching some of Armstrong's wins, so wouldn't pretend that my opinions are any more rational.
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Fair point, so are you saying that because they didn't dominate the sport then their doping is OK, or is it because they didn't bully everybody who questioned them?

    I amy be misjudging your viewpoint, but the whole idea that some dopers get an easier ride because they seem like nice people bugs me, but then again I always had a soft spot for big Jan and I even enjoyed watching some of Armstrong's wins, so wouldn't pretend that my opinions are any more rational.


    I'm not sure how you've arrived at my thinking doping is OK if you don't dominate a sport. I can't see that in my posts on this thread. In order to set things straight I would make the following points

    1. I'm anti doping (also soft spot for Jan though)
    2. Riis should have been stripped of his '96 title in spite of his confession as it was a cynically timed
    3. Notwithstanding 2 I think he is a master tactician and reads a race exceptionally well.
    @JaunePeril

    Winner of the Bike Radar Pro Race Wiggins Hour Prediction Competition
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    A doper who dopes in an EPO dominated era is one thing. A DS who encouraged and / or facilitated doping by his team's riders is another thing altogether.
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    What D.C. said.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    mike6 wrote:
    The only way to, hopefully, eradicate the acceptance of doping in the sport, is to get rid of the "old guard" like Riis, who grew up with it and not only accept it but may even encourage it. Old habits die hard.

    There is always more than one way to skin a cat Mike. Im not sure these calls for complete eradication are even practical. Things are never as simple as they sometimes seem.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Fair point, so are you saying that because they didn't dominate the sport then their doping is OK, or is it because they didn't bully everybody who questioned them?

    I amy be misjudging your viewpoint, but the whole idea that some dopers get an easier ride because they seem like nice people bugs me, but then again I always had a soft spot for big Jan and I even enjoyed watching some of Armstrong's wins, so wouldn't pretend that my opinions are any more rational.


    I think theyre very different things, one was doping to win in an era where everyone did, that doesnt make it right but it was normal operating practice and procedure for the industry.

    Armstrong on the other hand was additionally a repugnant bully and for that reason many are satisfied that his comeuppance happened. This is reflected by the different reactions when other riders such as Ulrich got busted. Ulrich was not a nasty f*Ker like Armstrong and got no where near the same amount of negative reaction. Saint Millar is another tema leader doper that has actually been welcomed back and is a team owner. Should he be punished again?
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Hands up everyone who thinks Riis is still at it?...


    I really wouldn't like to say either way
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    edited July 2013
    There's plenty of animus toward Riis, isn't there? Not to the Armstrong level, but I don't think the cycling public as a whole have anything but contempt for him.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Hands up everyone who thinks Riis is still at it?...


    I really wouldn't like to say either way

    both hands up here :shock:
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    Turfle wrote:
    There's plenty of animus toward Riis, isn't there? Not to the Armstrong level, but I don't think the cycling public as a whole have anything but contempt for him.

    As a rider, he came from nowhere to being able to get up climbs in the big ring and win a tour where “everyones” haematocrit level was 50 +.

    Dirty cheating scumbag.

    As a DS, he’s pretty damned good at getting the best out of some of his riders.

    I think for wahtever reason that he toes the line a bit more nowadays.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    philbar72 wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    There's plenty of animus toward Riis, isn't there? Not to the Armstrong level, but I don't think the cycling public as a whole have anything but contempt for him.

    As a rider, he came from nowhere to being able to get up climbs in the big ring and win a tour where “everyones” haematocrit level was 50 +.

    Dirty cheating scumbag.

    As a DS, he’s pretty damned good at getting the best out of some of his riders.

    I think for wahtever reason that he toes the line a bit more nowadays.


    And as the CSC manager/owner he set it all up for Hamilton to go to Fuentes for his transfusions and all his PED needs. And Jaksche has provided testimony of his actions. Etc etc.

    He certainly got a lot out of his riders. And he certainly made sure they (however many) were on the juice.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Hands up everyone who thinks Riis is still at it?...


    I really wouldn't like to say either way

    both hands up here :shock:

    he may have jacked it in fairly recently is a possibility
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    Hands up everyone who thinks Riis is still at it?...


    I really wouldn't like to say either way

    both hands up here :shock:

    he may have jacked it in fairly recently is a possibility

    Lets see how Alberto does in the mountains and TT.

    I have a personal theory that there may be two tier policy in the team. It might account for why the Danish riders were left at home this year, if they weren't part of the top tier....
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    From over here in Denmark I have to say he's looking pretty f@cked now.

    It's bloody surreal though. Seeing a doping expert in the TV studio explaining what the various drugs do, while the Chicken sits in the background (he's one of the expert panel).

    Two days ago there was a discussion about Riis between The Chicken, Sørensen and Jørgen Leth (a fantastic, romantic, tour commentator, but not exactly known for his zero tolerance on doping).

    Rasmussen has grassed him big time. He won't survive.
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