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Hannah Barnes has been reinstated as winner of the IG London Nocturne elite women's criterium after a British Cycling review0 -
What ? Have you ever ridden a bike race before and finished in a small group at the sprint?ddraver wrote:Laura Trott @LauraTrott31
For all those commenting on the Nocturne. When myself and Hannah crossed the line it was tight and my transponder picked up first. This is...Why I was called the winner, before the photo finish was checked. Having seen the video Hannah won fair and square. Fair play to her!...Thats bike racing for u! Cant win them all. Now I think its time to put that one behind us and continue growing womens cycling! #lovemysport
Sounds like she really did nt know, not her fault really...
"Don't blame Trotty. " Don't give me that.
The pictures tell it well clear enough that there would not have been one scintilla of doubt in the mind of either Barnes or Trott. If Cooke had been there, not Trott, the commissiares would have been told. Sure a whole pile of idiots would have been on the forums 5 minutes later slagging Cooke off with some sort of weird campaign. This is the whole issue of the BC WCPP. The only people who stay on the Plan are those who have absolved themselves of the responsibility to think for themselves. The system is God. Trott would have been doing nothing she would not normally do. Undoubtedly she is not devious and no mean spirit can be put as a motive for accepting the plaudits, it is just that she knows first and foremost she does what the system tells her, regardless of what she might or might not have personally experienced. Again it is wrong to single out Trott, you can lay the same critique against virtually all the girls and most of the lads - e.g. Geraint Thomas.
Wendy Houvenhagel was hardly Mrs Rebelliousness, but she had enough about her for the system to want to turn her over and kick her out with little by way of reward. Again - absolutely pulled apart by idiots on the forums. It is what happened.0 -
ddraver wrote:What happened to you mate? It's ok, tell us where the bad man from BC touched you....
Very good ! Very True ! Not quite up for telling just yet ! Da*n it, Where did that Steve Peters guy go ? Why did he go ?0 -
Again - absolutely pulled apart by idiots on the forums.0
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I’m not convinced by Trott’s twitter. Riders don’t have blinkers like racehorses and they almost always know who really won. Even if Trott isn’t brave enough to admit that she knew right away she hadn’t won, it would have been better had she twitted “whoever it was who made the error at BC should be big enough to come out and explain how it happened so it doesn’t happen again”
But she twitted “it’s time to put that one behind us”, and when any main person involved in a dispute unilaterally says that, you can bet on it that they want the discussion ended so they don’t eventually have to admit something which will embarrass them.
Don't understand the transponder excuse - did Trott have hers on the front forks and Barnes hers on the rear forks. If so, one of them had it wrong, maybe breaking the race rules.0 -
So many very brave people in here. Criticising a 21 year old for believing she had won a race because she had been told that she had won the race.
Laura Trott has done nothing wrong.
If people believe Wiggle have tried to rig the result then maybe they should take the evidence that they undoubtedly have to the police, BC or the UCI.
Or maybe these people don't have any evidence of any wrongdoing and just look for conspiracy at every turn.
Personally I blame Lance Armstrong
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http://londonnocturne.com/latestnews150613.php
ELITE WOMEN'S CRITERIUM: HANNAH BARNES CONFIRMED AS WINNER
Published 15/06/13
Following a request from MG-Maxifuel Pro Cycling for British Cycling to review last weekend's sanction against Hannah Barnes at the IG London Nocturne, the Race Commissaires panel have moderated their initial ruling, and confirmed Barnes as winner of the Elite Women's Criterium.
The final ruling by British Cycling reads: "Race officials have reviewed the sanction imposed on Hannah Barnes. The sanction has been moderated from relegation to a reprimand.
The Elite Women's Criterium photofinish result therefore stands:
1st Hannah Barnes
2nd Laura Trott."
A statement from Barnes's team, MG-Maxifuel Pro Cycling, said: "Hannah and the team are truly touched by the huge support they have received from fans everywhere on this matter and would like to thank the officials involved, the event organisers FACE Partnership and British Cycling for their support."
Rochelle Gilmore, Wiggle Honda Pro Cycling team manager, said: "We were delighted with what we understood was a narrow win for Laura Trott, but on discovering that Hannah Barnes had crossed the line first, we felt the decision to relegate her was harsh. We totally accept the reversal of this decision and offer our full and sincere congratulations to Hannah for an excellent win."
As organisers of the IG London Nocturne, FACE Partnership are pleased that this matter has been resolved in the correct manner, with what we believe is the correct outcome.
We hope Barnes and Trott can renew their rivalry at next summer's IG London Nocturne after last week's thrilling race, one of the best elite women's cycling events ever staged in the UK.0 -
knedlicky wrote:I’m not convinced by Trott’s twitter. Riders don’t have blinkers like racehorses and they almost always know who really won.
but as I said in my "stuff"
earlier, neither of them on their warming down lap looked much like theyd just taken victory, though the happier bunch definitely looked to be Wiggle, I genuinely think they had enough doubt in their own mind that they didnt know for sure, and why would they its upto the officials to call these things and they rely on them getting it right, and admit the error when they get it wrong :roll: 0 -
Criteriums are usually fixed, so if this was a genuine race, then it was somewhat exceptional. I don't like this or support it, but apparently it's what the fans want.
Trott may have done as she was told in accepting 1st place and she may be young, but it is certainly nothing to be proud of. I imagine it will have been justified in the same way the fixing is justified in most criteriums. The sad thing for me is the way that everyone buys into the deception and thinks it's the right thing.0 -
Somebody needs to appear on Oprah to explain themselves over this.0
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Is this really true? I'd like to think not, it would make as bad as WWF, or WWE as you kids call it...TheBigBean wrote:Criteriums are usually fixed, so if this was a genuine race, then it was somewhat exceptional. I don't like this or support it, but apparently it's what the fans want.
Trott may have done as she was told in accepting 1st place and she may be young, but it is certainly nothing to be proud of. I imagine it will have been justified in the same way the fixing is justified in most criteriums. The sad thing for me is the way that everyone buys into the deception and thinks it's the right thing. 0 -
The post Tour crits commonly are so that the crowd get to see the Jersey winners win again. Have to say I doubt that this one was fixed. Not sure women have anything like enough money to fix a race. Plus they made a sh1t job of it if they were fixing it....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The only person who was clearly not involved in a fix was Hannah Barnes. I think for a lot of other people involved an Olympic golden girl winning was a good outcome.0
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TheBigBean wrote:Criteriums are usually fixed, so if this was a genuine race, then it was somewhat exceptional. I don't like this or support it, but apparently it's what the fans want.
You are conflating the post-Tour criteriums (which, yes, are usually fixed) with criteriums in general, which are proper races.0 -
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TheBigBean wrote:Criteriums are usually fixed, so if this was a genuine race, then it was somewhat exceptional. I don't like this or support it, but apparently it's what the fans want.
Trott may have done as she was told in accepting 1st place and she may be young, but it is certainly nothing to be proud of. I imagine it will have been justified in the same way the fixing is justified in most criteriums. The sad thing for me is the way that everyone buys into the deception and thinks it's the right thing.
I was in the race and if it was a fix they forgot to tell me (not that I was at the end of the field where I could have made a difference )... I genuinely think (and you can tell from her post-race interview) that Laura wasn't told, but when she found out she had "won" there was enough doubt for her to believe it possible. The fact that they relied on the transponders and not a photo finish is a big mistake and it's sad that such a great event was marred by something that could have been sorted so easily. However, I think it was just that - a mistake (on the night, no comment on what happened after).
As far as transponders go - we were given no guidance when signing on so people had them all over the shop. In hindsight a little more instruction would have been helpful. I think there are probably a couple of reasonably minor steps that could really help for next year but to be fair I loved it and thought that on the whole it was an amazing night!Nice weather bike: Fondriest TF2 (white/ black)
Training Bike: Giant Avail (white/ blue/ green)
Track bikes: Planet X Franko Bianco (white) and 7VRN (white/ black)
CX: Kinesis Pro6 (sick green)0 -
Cracking post Blonde Cyclist.0
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We use transponders in races over here and guys put them on the chain stay. there isn't so much at stake but I tell them to place them as far forward on the stay as possible so they are all relatively in the same place.0
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The finish wasn't actually even that close, about half a wheel
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That's what I find strange, it wasn't even close, to me it looks like at least half a bike length.
Trott would've known she didn't win.0 -
Blonde Cyclist wrote:I was in the race and if it was a fix they forgot to tell me (not that I was at the end of the field where I could have made a difference )... I genuinely think (and you can tell from her post-race interview) that Laura wasn't told, but when she found out she had "won" there was enough doubt for her to believe it possible. The fact that they relied on the transponders and not a photo finish is a big mistake and it's sad that such a great event was marred by something that could have been sorted so easily. However, I think it was just that - a mistake (on the night, no comment on what happened after).
As far as transponders go - we were given no guidance when signing on so people had them all over the shop. In hindsight a little more instruction would have been helpful. I think there are probably a couple of reasonably minor steps that could really help for next year but to be fair I loved it and thought that on the whole it was an amazing night!
Hmmm...you're not Karla Boddy from the MG WindyMilla Women's Team are you? Formerly of HWCC? Not that I'm trying to blow your 'cover' on the Interwebz or anything :P0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Hmmm...you're not Karla Boddy from the MG WindyMilla Women's Team are you? Formerly of HWCC? Not that I'm trying to blow your 'cover' on the Interwebz or anything :P
In case BC doesn't come back here, no, she's not KB and she has nothing to do with WyndyMilla."Mummy Mummy, when will I grow up?"
"Don't be silly son, you're a bloke, you'll never grow up"0 -
Blonde Cyclist wrote:As far as transponders go - we were given no guidance when signing on so people had them all over the shop.
Mine would have been at the bottom of the forks
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Keyser__Soze wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Hmmm...you're not Karla Boddy from the MG WindyMilla Women's Team are you? Formerly of HWCC? Not that I'm trying to blow your 'cover' on the Interwebz or anything :P
In case BC doesn't come back here, no, she's not KB and she has nothing to do with WyndyMilla.
Do I get a prize for having a good guess?
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Not me! Not connected to the MG Maxifuel team, just wanted to help fill in a few gaps...Nice weather bike: Fondriest TF2 (white/ black)
Training Bike: Giant Avail (white/ blue/ green)
Track bikes: Planet X Franko Bianco (white) and 7VRN (white/ black)
CX: Kinesis Pro6 (sick green)0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Blonde Cyclist wrote:I was in the race and if it was a fix they forgot to tell me (not that I was at the end of the field where I could have made a difference )... I genuinely think (and you can tell from her post-race interview) that Laura wasn't told, but when she found out she had "won" there was enough doubt for her to believe it possible. The fact that they relied on the transponders and not a photo finish is a big mistake and it's sad that such a great event was marred by something that could have been sorted so easily. However, I think it was just that - a mistake (on the night, no comment on what happened after).
As far as transponders go - we were given no guidance when signing on so people had them all over the shop. In hindsight a little more instruction would have been helpful. I think there are probably a couple of reasonably minor steps that could really help for next year but to be fair I loved it and thought that on the whole it was an amazing night!
Hmmm...you're not Karla Boddy from the MG WindyMilla Women's Team are you? Formerly of HWCC? Not that I'm trying to blow your 'cover' on the Interwebz or anything :P
Karla posts on here from time to time under the imaginative name of kboddy 0 -
Watched the video. Not close. Barnes actually pulled right, leaving Trott a line equal to her own as she passed some back-markers on her left. Could have easily have held her line and left Trott nowhere to ride. Well done Barnes.
OK without getting my rule book out but they are pretty straightforward on the appeal process and there is not a chance in hell that they have been followed here. You put in the appeal in within a v. short time of the official result being announced or prior to. Then the panel look at the evidence and then adjudicate. Usually within the hour. If the relegation decision was announced 5 days later then, it just had to be after or in conjunction with any pending appeal. This rubbish about the BCF reviewing the decision. They could, but only by not following their own rules. So that makes it about right. They have a rule book but rip it up when it suits them. They are a shonky outfit. Change the rules. Put in another level of appeal, use it and allow others to use it. They don't put in another layer because too often it is too convenient to use the "no further appeal possible" route to cut dead things they don't want dragging on.
OK back to the race. In the video Barnes clearly says whilst riding after the finish "I did it". So she knows she won.
As to Trott:
"At the end she started to celebrate and I was like oh no, I didn't win but then everyone started cheering my name. I was like thank God for that, it must have been like inches."
That is not actually as good as I expected her to be. I maybe was being too generous with my earlier comment. I'll drop out now, but stand by my earlier comment. The was not a shred of doubt in the minds of either of these two what the result was. It is a moments like these..........0
