Froome interview in Rouleur
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Froome in 2008 TDF ....!!
33rd place at 1.49 over 29.5km ITT won by Schumi
33 minutes down in last group at Hautacam
11 minutes 41 down on Alpe D'huez after hitting it in main group Sastre went from
I don't have much faith in Chris Froome, but I don't have in many of them.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Take a read of this if you like Contador. He has been putting the pain on consistently for 15 years.
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.co.uk/2009/ ... -know.html
He has been consistent in his winning and is not a zero to hero rider.
I would just say that the guy was most likely taking "supplements" for most of that 15 years - he's not been quite the same rider post ban has he? In particular he's starting to TT like a climber. His accelerations are still entertaining - if ultimately futile "sans boef".0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:
Chuckle.
And how does this explain everyone else. The fact these sky factory workers are dropping proven high performers is an indication that there is not a normalisation, unless froomiely is trying to say well they are all doping other than sky. They are not just beating teams they are crushing them with their lead guy plus theirContador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:
Chuckle.
And how does this explain everyone else. The fact these sky factory workers are dropping proven high performers is an indication that there is not a normalisation, unless froomiely is trying to say well they are all doping other than sky. They are not just beating teams they are crushing them with their lead guy plus their
They are quite good in their own right though, no?
Could it be a case of having a factory filled with chargehands?Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')0 -
Dave_1 wrote:Froome in 2008 TDF ....!!
33rd place at 1.49 over 29.5km ITT won by Schumi
33 minutes down in last group at Hautacam
11 minutes 41 down on Alpe D'huez after hitting it in main group Sastre went from
I don't have much faith in Chris Froome, but I don't have in many of them.
Out of interest, thought I'd take a look at the GC top 10 in the 08 Tour. Makes for interesting reading:
1 Carlos Sastre (ESP) Team CSC 87h 52' 52"
2 Cadel Evans (AUS) Silence-Lotto +0' 58"
3 Bernhard Kohl (AUT) Gerolsteiner - DQ - Tested positive for CERA and disqualified.
4 Denis Menchov (RUS) Rabobank +2' 10" - See #2006_Tour_de_France
5 Christian Vande Velde (USA) Garmin +3' 05" Admitted to using doping on the US Postal team. Accepted a ban of six months with all results from June 2004 through April 2006 disqualified.[95]
6 Fränk Schleck (LUX) Team CSC +4' 28" Positive for diuretic masking agent xipamide at 2012 Tour de France, removed from Tour. Made payments of 7000 Euros to doper Euphemiano Fuentes[96]
7 Samuel Sánchez (ESP) Euskaltel +6' 25"
8 Kim Kirchen (LUX) Team Columbia +6' 55"
9 Alejandro Valverde (ESP) Caisse d'Epargne +7' 12" - See #2007_Tour_de_France
10 Tadej Valjavec (SLO) Ag2r +9' 05" - Irregular biological passport values, 2-year ban
I think its interesting to look at who were the leading GC lights when we talk about previous results for X or Y rider - especially at the Tour.
Given that 4 of his team mates DNF, and Duenas got busted for EPO, he did alright to finished his first GT at all....quite the baptism of fire....
Hesjedal didnt even finish his first GT, the 05 Giro - abandoned after 2 weeks (and not through injury). In fact he didnt finish a GT until 08 Giro.0 -
I thought he came across as a bit pu$$y whipped b/c, being skinny and not very good looking, he probably didn't get a lot of chix until he made some money. Not he let's his partner who doesn't come across as being very well brought up be his mouth piece.
He's a bit of a bed wetter frankly. Who's likely going to win the Tour mind you, but still a nerd who probably got beat up a lot. Milque-toast.
That's my uncharitable reading of it anyway.When a cyclist has a disagreement with a car; it's not who's right, it's who's left.0 -
On the other hand, you sound like the salt of the earth.FransJacques wrote:I thought he came across as a bit pu$$y whipped b/c, being skinny and not very good looking, he probably didn't get a lot of chix until he made some money. Not he let's his partner who doesn't come across as being very well brought up be his mouth piece.
He's a bit of a bed wetter frankly. Who's likely going to win the Tour mind you, but still a nerd who probably got beat up a lot. Milque-toast.
That's my uncharitable reading of it anyway.0 -
FransJacques wrote:I thought he came across as a bit pu$$y whipped b/c, being skinny and not very good looking, he probably didn't get a lot of chix until he made some money.
What are chix? Are they some sort of bird you find in Kenya? A bit like magpies if they like bright shiny money? And why would Chris Froome want them? Does he have an avian fetish?
They do have a lot of pussies in Africa though. Big ones like these:
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'Chix' is a Swiss Twix i think0
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LutherB wrote:'Chix' is a Swiss Twix i think
Froome should stay away from those, I mean look what happened to Fat Jan. Or he might become like Jens and develop along with a biscuit obsession a compulsion for geocaching. :shock:Correlation is not causation.0 -
How about Froome on Disco Biscuits tho? People think he's got a crumby riding style as it is, imagine him bang on one, a trail of Twix wrappers in his wake on the Alpe!0
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LutherB wrote:How about Froome on Disco Biscuits tho? People think he's got a crumby riding style as it is, imagine him bang on one, a trail of Twix wrappers in his wake on the Alpe!
His head would probably come clean off!Correlation is not causation.0 -
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Above The Cows wrote:LutherB wrote:How about Froome on Disco Biscuits tho? People think he's got a crumby riding style as it is, imagine him bang on one, a trail of Twix wrappers in his wake on the Alpe!
His head would probably come clean off!
That would solve the Churchill-nodding-dog problem once and for all0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Above The Cows wrote:LutherB wrote:How about Froome on Disco Biscuits tho? People think he's got a crumby riding style as it is, imagine him bang on one, a trail of Twix wrappers in his wake on the Alpe!
His head would probably come clean off!
That would solve the Churchill-nodding-dog problem once and for all
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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TailWindHome wrote:
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TailWindHome wrote:"Michelle say I'm the leader...Why do I still have to wash Brad's bike?"
Too small for Brad's bike.
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Richmond Racer wrote:Bingo
Can't be, Cavendish doesn't ride for them anymore.0 -
Impressive - even the hose has the Rapha blue stripe on it!frenchfighter wrote:0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Bingo
Can't be, Cavendish doesn't ride for them anymore.
Quality, Greased
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adr82 wrote:Impressive - even the hose has the Rapha blue stripe on it!
Wow no flies on you adr! Good spot Correlation is not causation.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:TailWindHome wrote:"Michelle say I'm the leader...Why do I still have to wash Brad's bike?"
Too small for Brad's bike.
It's not small. It's just further away. “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
unimpressed wrote:Well, the guy knows his ways around the master suppression techniques, that's for sure. Saying "I don't care anymore", "I’m just too tired of it" and more of that jazz isn't really helping anyone, let alone the posters over at the asylum.
First of all, I’m not really a Sky apologist. I don't particularly like the way they race and I’m certainly not the biggest fan of Sir Political Correct Brailsford, but what I am a fan of is their thought process going into the training, and the physiology behind what they're doing, seeing as how it's my profession...
Libertine’s argument about how Froome can use his bilharzia illness as a get-out-of-jail-card when the tough gets going is at best dumb, probably more on the borderline of retarded. Bilharzia is a living hell and has obviously had tough consequences for Froome himself, both diet wise and training wise. To brush it off as a carte blanche, well...
Also, I am under the impression from various sources of mine around the cycling world that Froome always was a race horse physiologically speaking, and that the Froome we're now seeing is the Froome that has performed in the labs for years and years already. Now, whether people choses to believe in this isn't up to me, but given the things I’ve heard and partially seen, then Froome must have been doping for a long time. His engine is/was unique, his lactate profile is/was even more unique and he has (always had) the will power of a champion (yeah, go with the cliché’s, young 'un…). Vaughters apparently knew this and had the pen and paper ready for Froome before the Vuelta 2011.
And yes, anyone who has followed cycling for a long time can't help but wonder, but as of now (sky will eventually get caught if they are the UK Postal), I trust a) the physiology behind the rides in the mountains and b) that the sport of cycling is somewhat turning around (kind of preposterous, since I consider cycling to be one of the cleaner sports all around now). Call me naïve, I can take it.
And now, the real reason why I signed up here after reading on-and-off for years, Frenchfighter. Now, my wife is probably tired of me talking about this guy; i mean, am i going gay on her for this Frenchie? Whilst I admire your choice of photos, and can enjoy a good little sarcastic joke about sky from you, I need to know something from the Contadorians out there, and who's better to ask than you, FF? look, I know that it's mandatory for a Contadorian to be Anti Sky, or ASSS as I like to call them (Anti Sky SchutzStaffel), but how is it living on the other side - the "romantic side"?
When Contador attacks like an Alaskan dog on Rabies up the slopes, do you guys pat your belly and say "yeah, he is just that talented" and "look at the way he's just dancing up towards the summit"? This whole talent thing, where does it come from? I asked a member of the ASSS one time, why is Contador “allowed” the incredible performance gain he got (under the biggest daddy of them all, Manolo Saiz, continued under the second biggest daddy, Bruyneel, completed by the grandad, Riis) after his life threatening head injury, whilst everyone is supposed to have a completely linear CQ-ranking?
See, the thing is that deep down I quite like Contador. i like his style, it reminds me of the pure climbers of the 80's and 90's, and I can admire his focus towards specific races. Hell, if I completely block my logical senses and looks away from the physiology behind the performances, I would say that he's the best stage race rider I’ve seen. Better than Hinault, better than Indurain and better than Wonderboy. But the thing is, just as cheering for Liverpool when they played a non-english (or norwegian) team in the 80’s, it's hard due to their (both Liverpool and Contador) faithful, and tbh slightly retarded (at least some), fans.
I just like cycling. Have always done it. What I don't like, however, is how people always are claiming to be experts and therefor creates their own twisted world, only to share their twisted ideas with another bunch of twisted minds, creating a complete twisted-clusterfuck based on opinions, armchair experts and amateur cyclists who are pissed that their physiology only allows them to reach 4,5 w/kg at FTP clean. I'm not saying that you're one of them, FF, I haven't read enough from you, but this Libertine-guy certainly ticks some of the boxes.
Ah i just re read this after a gentle nudge.
Maybe I was rash. Certainly didn't read it properly.
Bit full on for a 'first' post mind.
Who's claiming expertise??
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