What frame...sorry

golfergmc

Looking for a new frame in and around the £2000-2500 mark, not too sporty but not too relaxed either, will be transferring parts from other bike. Looking something to do 25/30 miles three times a week and longer at the weekends.

neeb

If you narrow it down to the options that fit perfectly and are in that price range, you will have a much smaller list!

Or if you don't know your exact fit, spend £150 on a good bike fit and look for a frame in the £1850 - £2350 range..

golfergmc

I need something in 56/58 with a 170/180mm and was looking at cervelo, scott, colnago etc.

neeb

The thing is, you will find significant differences in fit between bikes that are apparently the same frame size and have the same head tube length, depending on effective top tube length and seat tube angle. E.g., let's say you have two bikes with a 55cm effective top tube length but one has a 73 degree seat tube angle and the other has 74 degree seat tube angle. If you need a 110mm stem on the first one, you will need a 100mm stem on the second one (assuming you have your saddle setback correct), because the steeper seat tube angle will make the effective top tube length effectively longer. So there is effective top tube length and effective effective top tube length...

I wouldn't want to buy a frame unless I knew I could set it up comfortably with a sensible length stem and a saddle position that wasn't pushed all the way back or all the way forward. IME the majority of bikes don't have a frame size that fits any given individual perfectly, so you need to look around to find the ones that do.

neeb

Otherwise, just get a Tarmac SL4..

Bozman

Look 586

neeb

And as the C59 is out of your price range, forget Colnago.

neeb

If I was buying a £2000-£2500 frame I'd be tempted by one of these. Supposed to be extremely good and Merida know what they are doing... Not trendy, but will become more so.

http://www.cyclans.com/cadre-velo-de-route-merida/261-cadre-route-merida-scultura-sl-team-carbone-2013.html

golfergmc

I was mostly interested in the cervelo s5/r5 ranges.

gaddster

To throw in something a bit different, how about a lynskey r340? Stunning looking thing imo.

neeb

golfergmc wrote:

I was mostly interested in the cervelo s5/r5 ranges.

The thing is, you are not going to get any meaningful answer to such a non-specific question that is going to be helpful in deciding what bike is best for you. Cervelo is a good brand and plenty people will have various opinions about the s5 and/or r5, but the same would go for 10 other brands. There are lots of very good bikes around, but no-one can tell you which is best for you without knowing a lot more about your dimensions, style of riding, preferences etc. It's a bit like saying that you are looking for dinner at around the £10 mark, what should you get? I vote for pasta by the way..

golfergmc

Dimensions are 6'2 and 15st 2lb with a 33" inside leg and put out quite a bit of power. My usual riding would be hill/rolling terrain and getting round the route as quick as possible, would average 18/19 mph. The frame doesn't have to be this years model and if I can get a bargain even better though would prefer internal cabling.

neeb

I see you have an Addict R2 and a Cube Streamer listed. Do you prefer the setup on one or either of these? What frame sizes are they, and if you were to change anything about either of them, what would it be? (e.g. more/less reach, stiffer/less stiff, more comfortable, more/less upright).

LegendLust

golfergmc wrote:

Looking for a new frame in and around the £2000-2500 mark, not too sporty but not too relaxed either, will be transferring parts from other bike. Looking something to do 25/30 miles three times a week and longer at the weekends.

This is within your budget

http://www.bike-science.com/our-bikes-a ... -1605.html

golfergmc

The addict is a 56 and the streamer is 58 but I think cube are on the small size. The addict is spot on for size and reach but would like it to bet a bit more comfortable and fitter said I am right on the limit of it in terms of spacers and ideally would need a bike with a taller head tube to cut down on the spacers.

Tb2121

With that cash how about a British wyndymilla frame- support a British firm.

LegendLust

Tb2121 wrote:

With that cash how about a British wyndymilla frame- support a British firm.

Aye but the frames are made in Italy

Tb2121

Really mate, thanks for the info, thought they were Brit through and through

mrbrightside

LegendLust wrote:

golfergmc wrote:

Looking for a new frame in and around the £2000-2500 mark, not too sporty but not too relaxed either, will be transferring parts from other bike. Looking something to do 25/30 miles three times a week and longer at the weekends.

This is within your budget

http://www.bike-science.com/our-bikes-a ... -1605.html

That is nice! :P

meesterbond

golfergmc wrote:

I was mostly interested in the cervelo s5/r5 ranges.

I'll have one of each by next weekend... been riding the R5 for a year or so, the S5 is being built up at the moment.

If it's hilly then the R5 would probably be the better option. Geometry is the same on each, S5 slightly heavier but more aero... R5 is perfectly stiff enough (and seems to be what most of the Garmin Sharp team ride, even on the flatter stages). S5 has internal cabling if that's important, R5 doesn't.

All depends on the geometry though - Cervelos fit me easily, Specialized, for example, are less easy to get a good fit on.

galatzo

MrBrightside wrote:

LegendLust wrote:

golfergmc wrote:

Looking for a new frame in and around the £2000-2500 mark, not too sporty but not too relaxed either, will be transferring parts from other bike. Looking something to do 25/30 miles three times a week and longer at the weekends.

This is within your budget

http://www.bike-science.com/our-bikes-a ... -1605.html

That is nice! :P

It even looks good in purple, imagine it in a decent colour !

LegendLust

Galatzo wrote:

MrBrightside wrote:

LegendLust wrote:

golfergmc wrote:

Looking for a new frame in and around the £2000-2500 mark, not too sporty but not too relaxed either, will be transferring parts from other bike. Looking something to do 25/30 miles three times a week and longer at the weekends.

This is within your budget

http://www.bike-science.com/our-bikes-a ... -1605.html

That is nice! :P

It even looks good in purple, imagine it in a decent colour !

The finish on that frame is stunning close up. It is in fact a 'tint' - close up you can still see the carbon weave. It's as if the painter has watered doen the paint so that is seeps into the weave, rather than 'sit' on the carbon. They do other tint colours - the dark blue is beauty.

Pic here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

golfergmc

meesterbond wrote:

golfergmc wrote:

I was mostly interested in the cervelo s5/r5 ranges.

I'll have one of each by next weekend... been riding the R5 for a year or so, the S5 is being built up at the moment.

If it's hilly then the R5 would probably be the better option. Geometry is the same on each, S5 slightly heavier but more aero... R5 is perfectly stiff enough (and seems to be what most of the Garmin Sharp team ride, even on the flatter stages). S5 has internal cabling if that's important, R5 doesn't.

All depends on the geometry though - Cervelos fit me easily, Specialized, for example, are less easy to get a good fit on.

Can you let me know how you get on and what would be the better bike for general usage.

upperoilcan

Those Legend builds look good.

neeb

golfergmc wrote:

The addict is a 56 and the streamer is 58 but I think cube are on the small size. The addict is spot on for size and reach but would like it to bet a bit more comfortable and fitter said I am right on the limit of it in terms of spacers and ideally would need a bike with a taller head tube to cut down on the spacers.

Based on that your size on the cervelo r5 would also be a 56, but the reach would be about 5mm shorter with the same size stem (the top tube length is only 1mm shorter at 564mm on the cervelo compared to 565mm on the Addict, but as the addict has a 73.3 degree seat tube angle and the Cervelo is 73, the reach is a little longer on the Addict once you have the saddle in the same position relative to the BB). The headtube is 13mm longer on the cervelo, so that would suit you. With the saddle in the same position relative to BB and the same offset on the seatpost (don't know if the latter is the case) you would have the saddle 3 - 5mm further back on the rails with the cervelo.

Basically, the cervelo would seem a tiny bit shorter as well as being a bit higher at the front.

The cervelo has a steeper head tube at 73.5 as opposed to 73. Can't find out what the offset is on the Addict, but if it is 43mm (same as the cervelo) the trail on the cervelo would be a little less and the bike might feel a tiny bit more responsive/twitchy in the steering, but possibly not enough to notice. Otherwise the bikes are not dissimilar, both have short chain stays and likely quite short wheelbases so probably would feel similarly sporty. Don't know about comfort - I get the impression both bikes are on the harsher side but the Scotts in particular seem to have a reputation for this.

giant_man

They are good. Very good.

golfergmc

neeb wrote:

golfergmc wrote:

The addict is a 56 and the streamer is 58 but I think cube are on the small size. The addict is spot on for size and reach but would like it to bet a bit more comfortable and fitter said I am right on the limit of it in terms of spacers and ideally would need a bike with a taller head tube to cut down on the spacers.

Based on that your size on the cervelo r5 would also be a 56, but the reach would be about 5mm shorter with the same size stem (the top tube length is only 1mm shorter at 564mm on the cervelo compared to 565mm on the Addict, but as the addict has a 73.3 degree seat tube angle and the Cervelo is 73, the reach is a little longer on the Addict once you have the saddle in the same position relative to the BB). The headtube is 13mm longer on the cervelo, so that would suit you. With the saddle in the same position relative to BB and the same offset on the seatpost (don't know if the latter is the case) you would have the saddle 3 - 5mm further back on the rails with the cervelo.

Basically, the cervelo would seem a tiny bit shorter as well as being a bit higher at the front.

The cervelo has a steeper head tube at 73.5 as opposed to 73. Can't find out what the offset is on the Addict, but if it is 43mm (same as the cervelo) the trail on the cervelo would be a little less and the bike might feel a tiny bit more responsive/twitchy in the steering, but possibly not enough to notice. Otherwise the bikes are not dissimilar, both have short chain stays and likely quite short wheelbases so probably would feel similarly sporty. Don't know about comfort - I get the impression both bikes are on the harsher side but the Scotts in particular seem to have a reputation for this.

Thanks for that, I have been trying to find out what size would fit me and asking the local dealer but no one would give me a definite answer. Now this also brings the r3sl into the equation as they have them reduced at the minute.

limoneboy

Galatzo wrote:

MrBrightside wrote:

LegendLust wrote:

golfergmc wrote:

Looking for a new frame in and around the £2000-2500 mark, not too sporty but not too relaxed either, will be transferring parts from other bike. Looking something to do 25/30 miles three times a week and longer at the weekends.

This is within your budget

http://www.bike-science.com/our-bikes-a ... -1605.html

That is nice! :P

It even looks good in purple, imagine it in a decent colour !

The red 7.5 OMG , why do i read this !!! ,anyone want a oltre !

markwb79

Sorry I dont understand the question.

Just get a 2011 Scott Addict R1 in Matt Black.

Topic closed.

limoneboy

limoneboy wrote:

Galatzo wrote:

MrBrightside wrote:

LegendLust wrote:

golfergmc wrote:

Looking for a new frame in and around the £2000-2500 mark, not too sporty but not too relaxed either, will be transferring parts from other bike. Looking something to do 25/30 miles three times a week and longer at the weekends.

This is within your budget

http://www.bike-science.com/our-bikes-a ... -1605.html

That is nice! :P

It even looks good in purple, imagine it in a decent colour !

The red 7.5 OMG , why do i read this !!! ,anyone want a oltre !

This gets even Worse the factory is on the direct route (Bergamo)i will pass it on the way to lake Garda and i am driving there this August bike in tow. Says factory visit welcome , how can not go and see !!!

southdownswolf

How about an Enigma? British built by hand, custom size, optional finishes. You can even visit the factory and meet the guys that will build the frame for you.

http://www.enigmabikes.com/index.html