Campag Servicing!!

NWLondoner
NWLondoner Posts: 2,047
edited July 2014 in Road buying advice
Arghhhhh

My bearings on my Fulcrum Cranks have gone. So I ordered some replacement bearings and pootled down to a well known London chain (Surgery) to get them installed. What could be more difficult :?:

It's bl@@dy Campag and they need a special tool to remove and reseat the bearings, which they don't have :shock: In fact of all the other place i tried only 1 does have the tool (Condor Cycles) but they have no weekend bookings until June :roll:

So i'm trying 1 more option and if this fails a simple £50 job is now going to cost £150-£250 as i'm going to have to get shot of these cranks and get a Shimano standard :x

After this expense I want/need long lasting bearings so i'm looking at getting an Ultegra 6750 50/34 and a Hope Ceramic BB.

Are the Hopes as good as people say they are? The ceramic option I can get for a few quid more than the stainless option. The fulcrums only laster 2 years and to be honest hardly any KM was put on them compared to what others on here would have done in 2 years.

At least i know never to but Campag components again UNLESS i have a fully stocked Campag workshop at home :idea: Ooops my new hubs are Campag :mrgreen:
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  • Cheshire Cat
    Cheshire Cat Posts: 309
    The Park tool comes with the puller and fitting tool, think mine cost in the region of £45, buy it once and problem solved...can never understand why a shop would not have the correct tools, it's not like Campag is rare.
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  • Cheshire Cat
    Cheshire Cat Posts: 309
    “Faster, Faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.” Hunter S Thompson
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    Yeah, I'm surprised by this but at the same time have experienced the same kind of thing before... A local bike shop to me didn't have a Campag cassette lock ring tool in their workshop. I have a Campag one AND a Shimano one in my toolbox just incase, and I'm not a professional.

    Awfy silly!
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    NWLondoner wrote:
    Arghhhhh

    It's bl@@dy Campag and they need a special tool to remove and reseat the bearings, which they don't have :shock: In fact of all the other place i tried only 1 does have the tool (Condor Cycles) but they have no weekend bookings until June :roll:

    That's ridiculous... it is a job that takes 20 minutes in total, I can't believe they can't find 20 minutes to do it until June... problem is they can't be bothered, as they prefer to take bookings for "de luxe services" where they lube the chain, visually inspect the bike and apply some Carnauba wax for 100 pounds a go...

    So you can't find a shop in central London who will replace UT bearings?
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  • NWLondoner
    NWLondoner Posts: 2,047
    Of the places that i know and can get to by train (i don't drive)


    I may just have to fork out and buy the bloody tools/workstand and torq wrench and do it myself.


    Would i have to apply any grease to the new bearings and inside the bearing cups?
  • NWLondoner
    NWLondoner Posts: 2,047
    NWLondoner wrote:
    Arghhhhh

    It's bl@@dy Campag and they need a special tool to remove and reseat the bearings, which they don't have :shock: In fact of all the other place i tried only 1 does have the tool (Condor Cycles) but they have no weekend bookings until June :roll:

    That's ridiculous... it is a job that takes 20 minutes in total, I can't believe they can't find 20 minutes to do it until June... problem is they can't be bothered, as they prefer to take bookings for "de luxe services" where they lube the chain, visually inspect the bike and apply some Carnauba wax for 100 pounds a go...

    So you can't find a shop in central London who will replace UT bearings?


    according to 1 LBS he said it would take a whole day :?
  • bondurant
    bondurant Posts: 858
    A whole day? Balls.
  • NWLondoner
    NWLondoner Posts: 2,047
    another option may have just saved the day (PM sent)

    I know I should really have the tools/work stand etc. i just don't have the room to store it. Modern flats have ZERO storage!!
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    Nothing would/should take a whole day other than, perhaps, building wheelsets up (and that's only because I've never done it so can't guess at the time it takes). To service some bearings taking a full day is absolute nonsense.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    nweststeyn wrote:
    Nothing would/should take a whole day other than, perhaps, building wheelsets up (and that's only because I've never done it so can't guess at the time it takes). To service some bearings taking a full day is absolute nonsense.

    Building a wheelset takes 3 hours to a professional.. you can do it in less than 2 hours to a Planet X standard, or in just over an hour in Carbonzone standard...
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    It take's 20 mintes to replace U-T bearings with the correct tools, which I have of course. I cannot believe shops in London cannot do this but a small shop in suffolk can. What wrong with the world. Then again I had a call from a chap in london who had been into a London shop that was not intested in replacing the BB for his Shimano 6400 chainset, hardly difficult. He says he coming up to me I'll fall over if he does.
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  • NWLondoner
    NWLondoner Posts: 2,047
    This is the downside of the cycling boom. They concentrate on high value servicing and flogging bikes.

    Had the same issue when trying to get my headset fixed last year.
  • crankycrank
    crankycrank Posts: 1,830
    The bearing puller tool is basically the same thing you should be able to find at any automotive tool shop or Amazon for 1/3 the cost of the park tool version. Unless you want to use it on your car as well you might as well buy some cheap Chinese version as I'm sure the BB that Campag and others use will be obsolete next year in favor of the new 1.5% stiffer BB 31.35 or ???
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    The jaws on most atomotive bearing pullers are too thick and reqire modifying with a grinder to make it fit so you need to be a bit handy to make them work. The proper tools are worth it if you are using these cranks.
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  • ajb72
    ajb72 Posts: 1,178
    Keep an eye on Halfords for the Park Tool for the job (I know, last place I expected as well). They constantly have offers on cycles tools / accessories and I picked up this very item on Wednesday for 25% off, so bearings replaced and tool purchased for under £60. Such a simple job with the right tools - literally took me 10 minutes tops to have both bearings replaced. Having recently heard tales of lbs mechanics taking screwdrivers and mallets to Campag chainsets to get this done, I wouldn't trust anyone else!

    http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... yId_242558
  • blablablacksheep
    blablablacksheep Posts: 1,377
    viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=12921030

    I'm in exact same position. Fulcrum crank set bearings gone, needing replacements (also considering upgrade)

    So far I've decided and done
    Bought standard bearings
    Bought ceramic bearings (cult)

    Getting lbs to fit ceramic and see performance and longevity. (Have standards ready at hand to replace)

    I'm buying ceramic as they hopefully last longer (don't care too much about performance gains).

    I will buy tools but only if bearings die quickly or lbs charges a lot to fit them.

    Will post results when they fitted this week on my topic.
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  • cookiemonster
    cookiemonster Posts: 668
    Sounds like you're sorted, but if not, London Bicycle Workshop are worth trying. Small place just across the road from Condor that specialises in fixing and service (unlike just about every other bike shop in London which are best described as "retail outlets")

    The chap that runs the place races and uses campag, so I'm guessing they'll have the kit :)

    jon
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,061
    Er I have several campag cranksets and never needed a tool to remove or fit bearings, i use my hands. Is this something new?
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  • NWLondoner
    NWLondoner Posts: 2,047
    Sounds like you're sorted, but if not, London Bicycle Workshop are worth trying. Small place just across the road from Condor that specialises in fixing and service (unlike just about every other bike shop in London which are best described as "retail outlets")

    The chap that runs the place races and uses campag, so I'm guessing they'll have the kit :)

    jon


    Thanks for tip but only open Monday - Friday

    A kind guy is lending me his time & tools (weather permitting :-) )

    Ill save some pennies through the summer and then invest in some workshop tools, stand and torque wrench & try to find some room to store it all LOL
  • ajb72
    ajb72 Posts: 1,178
    itboffin wrote:
    Er I have several campag cranksets and never needed a tool to remove or fit bearings, i use my hands. Is this something new?

    If you are talking about recent Ultra Torque chainsets, your bearings are surely not fitted correctly in the first place! No way you could be removing the bearings by hand, you need the strength of the Hulk. You also need a decent tool to install the bearings again to push them to the bottom of the axel with even force.
  • spasypaddy
    spasypaddy Posts: 5,180
    i know 3 shops within an easy ride of your place that would be able to do it.

    both branches of shorter rochford (one in finchley and one in potters bar (id go to potters bar personally)), or the cycle store in friern barnet.

    All of whom would be able to do it
  • northpole
    northpole Posts: 1,499
    Did you try Condor? I have found them to be v good with Campag servicing. Less central, but for future reference, Sigma Sport in Kingston have a top Campag bloke in charge of the workshop.

    Peter
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    northpole wrote:
    Did you try Condor? I have found them to be v good with Campag servicing. Less central, but for future reference, Sigma Sport in Kingston have a top Campag bloke in charge of the workshop.

    Peter

    Is it the same guy who couldn't true a SRAM wheel, but charged the bloke anyway?

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  • NWLondoner
    NWLondoner Posts: 2,047
    I did try condor. No bookings till June :-0

    Sigma, well the less said the better
  • tomisitt
    tomisitt Posts: 257
    Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    tomisitt wrote:
    Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.

    The fitting and the bearings replacement require different tools...
    the only tool needed to install UT is a 10 mm Allen Key for the central bolt, on top of the tool to install the cups, which is the same as Shimano Hollowtech 2.
    Bearings replacement require a bearing extractor with very narrow claws that slide between the bearing and the crank arm... in practice the Park Tool one
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  • tomisitt
    tomisitt Posts: 257
    Worth a call to Bike & Run I would have thought...they're definitely in the right part of the world and may have the right tools.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Lunar Cycles in Kentish Town have the Campag UT bearing puller, if that's what you're after?
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  • ajb72
    ajb72 Posts: 1,178
    tomisitt wrote:
    Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.

    The fitting and the bearings replacement require different tools...
    the only tool needed to install UT is a 10 mm Allen Key for the central bolt, on top of the tool to install the cups, which is the same as Shimano Hollowtech 2.
    Bearings replacement require a bearing extractor with very narrow claws that slide between the bearing and the crank arm... in practice the Park Tool one

    Not strictly true, you also need the instillation tool to do a proper job (no more than a weighted length of piping in reality!). Otherwise the bearings may not be seated correctly and can end up coming away in the cups, or worse in your frameset if you use press-fit. Still, it's a relatively cheap tool to buy compared with ongoing LBS costs every few years.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,301
    ajb72 wrote:
    tomisitt wrote:
    Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.

    The fitting and the bearings replacement require different tools...
    the only tool needed to install UT is a 10 mm Allen Key for the central bolt, on top of the tool to install the cups, which is the same as Shimano Hollowtech 2.
    Bearings replacement require a bearing extractor with very narrow claws that slide between the bearing and the crank arm... in practice the Park Tool one

    Not strictly true, you also need the instillation tool to do a proper job (no more than a weighted length of piping in reality!). Otherwise the bearings may not be seated correctly and can end up coming away in the cups, or worse in your frameset if you use press-fit. Still, it's a relatively cheap tool to buy compared with ongoing LBS costs every few years.

    I don't know what you are talking about, do you?
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