Campag Servicing!!

NWLondoner

Arghhhhh

My bearings on my Fulcrum Cranks have gone. So I ordered some replacement bearings and pootled down to a well known London chain (Surgery) to get them installed. What could be more difficult :?:

It's bl@@dy Campag and they need a special tool to remove and reseat the bearings, which they don't have :shock: In fact of all the other place i tried only 1 does have the tool (Condor Cycles) but they have no weekend bookings until June :roll:

So i'm trying 1 more option and if this fails a simple £50 job is now going to cost £150-£250 as i'm going to have to get shot of these cranks and get a Shimano standard :x

After this expense I want/need long lasting bearings so i'm looking at getting an Ultegra 6750 50/34 and a Hope Ceramic BB.

Are the Hopes as good as people say they are? The ceramic option I can get for a few quid more than the stainless option. The fulcrums only laster 2 years and to be honest hardly any KM was put on them compared to what others on here would have done in 2 years.

At least i know never to but Campag components again UNLESS i have a fully stocked Campag workshop at home :idea: Ooops my new hubs are Campag

Cheshire Cat

The Park tool comes with the puller and fitting tool, think mine cost in the region of £45, buy it once and problem solved...can never understand why a shop would not have the correct tools, it's not like Campag is rare.

Cheshire Cat

Here you go:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=50269

nweststeyn

Yeah, I'm surprised by this but at the same time have experienced the same kind of thing before... A local bike shop to me didn't have a Campag cassette lock ring tool in their workshop. I have a Campag one AND a Shimano one in my toolbox just incase, and I'm not a professional.

Awfy silly!

ugo.santalucia

NWLondoner wrote:

Arghhhhh

It's bl@@dy Campag and they need a special tool to remove and reseat the bearings, which they don't have :shock: In fact of all the other place i tried only 1 does have the tool (Condor Cycles) but they have no weekend bookings until June :roll:

That's ridiculous... it is a job that takes 20 minutes in total, I can't believe they can't find 20 minutes to do it until June... problem is they can't be bothered, as they prefer to take bookings for "de luxe services" where they lube the chain, visually inspect the bike and apply some Carnauba wax for 100 pounds a go...

So you can't find a shop in central London who will replace UT bearings?

NWLondoner

Of the places that i know and can get to by train (i don't drive)


I may just have to fork out and buy the bloody tools/workstand and torq wrench and do it myself.


Would i have to apply any grease to the new bearings and inside the bearing cups?

NWLondoner

ugo.santalucia wrote:

NWLondoner wrote:

Arghhhhh

It's bl@@dy Campag and they need a special tool to remove and reseat the bearings, which they don't have :shock: In fact of all the other place i tried only 1 does have the tool (Condor Cycles) but they have no weekend bookings until June :roll:

That's ridiculous... it is a job that takes 20 minutes in total, I can't believe they can't find 20 minutes to do it until June... problem is they can't be bothered, as they prefer to take bookings for "de luxe services" where they lube the chain, visually inspect the bike and apply some Carnauba wax for 100 pounds a go...

So you can't find a shop in central London who will replace UT bearings?

according to 1 LBS he said it would take a whole day :?

bondurant

A whole day? Balls.

NWLondoner

another option may have just saved the day (PM sent)

I know I should really have the tools/work stand etc. i just don't have the room to store it. Modern flats have ZERO storage!!

nweststeyn

Nothing would/should take a whole day other than, perhaps, building wheelsets up (and that's only because I've never done it so can't guess at the time it takes). To service some bearings taking a full day is absolute nonsense.

ugo.santalucia

nweststeyn wrote:

Nothing would/should take a whole day other than, perhaps, building wheelsets up (and that's only because I've never done it so can't guess at the time it takes). To service some bearings taking a full day is absolute nonsense.

Building a wheelset takes 3 hours to a professional.. you can do it in less than 2 hours to a Planet X standard, or in just over an hour in Carbonzone standard...

cycleclinic

It take's 20 mintes to replace U-T bearings with the correct tools, which I have of course. I cannot believe shops in London cannot do this but a small shop in suffolk can. What wrong with the world. Then again I had a call from a chap in london who had been into a London shop that was not intested in replacing the BB for his Shimano 6400 chainset, hardly difficult. He says he coming up to me I'll fall over if he does.

NWLondoner

This is the downside of the cycling boom. They concentrate on high value servicing and flogging bikes.

Had the same issue when trying to get my headset fixed last year.

crankycrank

The bearing puller tool is basically the same thing you should be able to find at any automotive tool shop or Amazon for 1/3 the cost of the park tool version. Unless you want to use it on your car as well you might as well buy some cheap Chinese version as I'm sure the BB that Campag and others use will be obsolete next year in favor of the new 1.5% stiffer BB 31.35 or ???

cycleclinic

The jaws on most atomotive bearing pullers are too thick and reqire modifying with a grinder to make it fit so you need to be a bit handy to make them work. The proper tools are worth it if you are using these cranks.

ajb72

Keep an eye on Halfords for the Park Tool for the job (I know, last place I expected as well). They constantly have offers on cycles tools / accessories and I picked up this very item on Wednesday for 25% off, so bearings replaced and tool purchased for under £60. Such a simple job with the right tools - literally took me 10 minutes tops to have both bearings replaced. Having recently heard tales of lbs mechanics taking screwdrivers and mallets to Campag chainsets to get this done, I wouldn't trust anyone else!

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... yId_242558

blablablacksheep

viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=12921030

I'm in exact same position. Fulcrum crank set bearings gone, needing replacements (also considering upgrade)

So far I've decided and done
Bought standard bearings
Bought ceramic bearings (cult)

Getting lbs to fit ceramic and see performance and longevity. (Have standards ready at hand to replace)

I'm buying ceramic as they hopefully last longer (don't care too much about performance gains).

I will buy tools but only if bearings die quickly or lbs charges a lot to fit them.

Will post results when they fitted this week on my topic.

cookiemonster

Sounds like you're sorted, but if not, London Bicycle Workshop are worth trying. Small place just across the road from Condor that specialises in fixing and service (unlike just about every other bike shop in London which are best described as "retail outlets")

The chap that runs the place races and uses campag, so I'm guessing they'll have the kit

jon

itboffin

Er I have several campag cranksets and never needed a tool to remove or fit bearings, i use my hands. Is this something new?

NWLondoner

cookiemonster wrote:

Sounds like you're sorted, but if not, London Bicycle Workshop are worth trying. Small place just across the road from Condor that specialises in fixing and service (unlike just about every other bike shop in London which are best described as "retail outlets")

The chap that runs the place races and uses campag, so I'm guessing they'll have the kit

jon

Thanks for tip but only open Monday - Friday

A kind guy is lending me his time & tools (weather permitting :-) )

Ill save some pennies through the summer and then invest in some workshop tools, stand and torque wrench & try to find some room to store it all LOL

ajb72

itboffin wrote:

Er I have several campag cranksets and never needed a tool to remove or fit bearings, i use my hands. Is this something new?

If you are talking about recent Ultra Torque chainsets, your bearings are surely not fitted correctly in the first place! No way you could be removing the bearings by hand, you need the strength of the Hulk. You also need a decent tool to install the bearings again to push them to the bottom of the axel with even force.

spasypaddy

i know 3 shops within an easy ride of your place that would be able to do it.

both branches of shorter rochford (one in finchley and one in potters bar (id go to potters bar personally)), or the cycle store in friern barnet.

All of whom would be able to do it

northpole

Did you try Condor? I have found them to be v good with Campag servicing. Less central, but for future reference, Sigma Sport in Kingston have a top Campag bloke in charge of the workshop.

Peter

ugo.santalucia

northpole wrote:

Did you try Condor? I have found them to be v good with Campag servicing. Less central, but for future reference, Sigma Sport in Kingston have a top Campag bloke in charge of the workshop.

Peter

Is it the same guy who couldn't true a SRAM wheel, but charged the bloke anyway?

http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/con ... -my-review

NWLondoner

I did try condor. No bookings till June :-0

Sigma, well the less said the better

tomisitt

Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.

ugo.santalucia

tomisitt wrote:

Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.

The fitting and the bearings replacement require different tools...
the only tool needed to install UT is a 10 mm Allen Key for the central bolt, on top of the tool to install the cups, which is the same as Shimano Hollowtech 2.
Bearings replacement require a bearing extractor with very narrow claws that slide between the bearing and the crank arm... in practice the Park Tool one

tomisitt

Worth a call to Bike & Run I would have thought...they're definitely in the right part of the world and may have the right tools.

Ben6899

Lunar Cycles in Kentish Town have the Campag UT bearing puller, if that's what you're after?

ajb72

ugo.santalucia wrote:

tomisitt wrote:

Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.

The fitting and the bearings replacement require different tools...
the only tool needed to install UT is a 10 mm Allen Key for the central bolt, on top of the tool to install the cups, which is the same as Shimano Hollowtech 2.
Bearings replacement require a bearing extractor with very narrow claws that slide between the bearing and the crank arm... in practice the Park Tool one

Not strictly true, you also need the instillation tool to do a proper job (no more than a weighted length of piping in reality!). Otherwise the bearings may not be seated correctly and can end up coming away in the cups, or worse in your frameset if you use press-fit. Still, it's a relatively cheap tool to buy compared with ongoing LBS costs every few years.

ugo.santalucia

ajb72 wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

tomisitt wrote:

Try Bike & Run in East Finchley...excellent service, good mechanics, lots of quality bikes for sale. They installed my Chorus 11 speed with Ultra-Torque, so they must have the right tools. And they're rarely so busy that they can't fit you in quite quickly. Recommended.

The fitting and the bearings replacement require different tools...
the only tool needed to install UT is a 10 mm Allen Key for the central bolt, on top of the tool to install the cups, which is the same as Shimano Hollowtech 2.
Bearings replacement require a bearing extractor with very narrow claws that slide between the bearing and the crank arm... in practice the Park Tool one

Not strictly true, you also need the instillation tool to do a proper job (no more than a weighted length of piping in reality!). Otherwise the bearings may not be seated correctly and can end up coming away in the cups, or worse in your frameset if you use press-fit. Still, it's a relatively cheap tool to buy compared with ongoing LBS costs every few years.

I don't know what you are talking about, do you?
http://www.parktool.com/blog/calvins-co ... cord-group