Cleats that can handle 25 metres of walking!
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FWIW I seem to remember someone commenting that Speedplay Frog pedals were a very good option for people needing to walk a bit.
No experience personally though. :?0 -
neale1978 wrote:Its not about 'looking pro' when using them, its simply because they are road pedals and cleats for road bikes
So basically you're a marketing victim?
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Be like wiggins and get the missus to carry you everywhere...0
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Simon Masterson wrote:neale1978 wrote:Its not about 'looking pro' when using them, its simply because they are road pedals and cleats for road bikes
So basically you're a marketing victim?
This is precisely the point. Because we're told they're road systems and the pros use them we accept the shortcomings like having to carry aound cleat covers or walk in socks, and we buy them (well, I don't, it's more the Royal we).
Here's the road pedal system as sold by Ritchey. The same as the Shimano MTB SPD but single sided and very lightweight. A superb product for the majority of roadies, matched with lightweight carbon XC shoes like S-Works.
If they had more of a proven track record I might get some, although the Shimano M540's are pretty hard to beat as they take such a beating.
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Simon Masterson wrote:neale1978 wrote:Its not about 'looking pro' when using them, its simply because they are road pedals and cleats for road bikes
So basically you're a marketing victim?
No. I just dont want mtb esque pedals on my road bike thats all and i like look style pedals.. always have :roll:0 -
Neale1978 wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:neale1978 wrote:Its not about 'looking pro' when using them, its simply because they are road pedals and cleats for road bikes
So basically you're a marketing victim?
No. I just dont want mtb esque pedals on my road bike thats all and i like look style pedals.. always have :roll:
And why are those pedals 'MTB-esque'? Sounds like marketing to me. 0 -
Mtb esque as in they resemble the mtb spud style pedal that originated as a mtb specific designed system
Road pedals & cleats are wider so power transfer is better and probably more comfortable also just because of the larger contact area
Double sided type Spds are probably a good idea for commuting for some0 -
ever tried lifting your feet instead of shuffling alongmrmahoosive wrote:I've got some Keo cleats at the moment, and due to the fact that I have to walk 25 metres from where I park my bike at work, they wear down far too quickly.
Is there such a thing as cleats that can handle more than 400 metres of walking before costing me £15 for new ones!
Any ideas?
:P Lapierre Aircode 300
Merida0 -
Neale1978 wrote:Road pedals & cleats are wider so power transfer is better and probably more comfortable also just because of the larger contact area
Urban myth.
If your feet are sitting inside some completely rigid carbon soled shoe, the few mm difference in cleat contact area (SPD vs road SPD-SL) is irrelevant since the shoe does not flex, at all.
Just be honest, it's all about image.0 -
Neale1978 wrote:Mtb esque as in they resemble the mtb spud style pedal that originated as a mtb specific designed system
Road pedals & cleats are wider so power transfer is better and probably more comfortable also just because of the larger contact area
Double sided type Spds are probably a good idea for commuting for some
Whereas if they'd advertised the SPD system as universal to all types of cycling...
Also, do you have any stats for that better power transfer claim, or have you been reading that marketing again?
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But in all seriousness, the bigger cleat is the only aspect worthy of serious consideration. Some do find them more comfortable. The SPD design uses one necessarily smaller. If you want a larger platform SPD pedal, you can have it.0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:Neale1978 wrote:Mtb esque as in they resemble the mtb spud style pedal that originated as a mtb specific designed system
Road pedals & cleats are wider so power transfer is better and probably more comfortable also just because of the larger contact area
Double sided type Spds are probably a good idea for commuting for some
Whereas if they'd advertised the SPD system as universal to all types of cycling...
Also, do you have any stats for that better power transfer claim, or have you been reading that marketing again?
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But in all seriousness, the bigger cleat is the only aspect worthy of serious consideration. Some do find them more comfortable. The SPD design uses one necessarily smaller. If you want a larger platform SPD pedal, you can have it.
Stats? unnecessary tbh. Ive ridden bikes for long enough to know (for myself at least for sure) a good sized platform & cleat makes practical sense. More of your foot area is putting the power down. There is NO WAY i would change my keo max 2's for a smaller spd type pedal because i can tell what it would feel like and it would not be as efficient IMO
Spds have evolved/changed somewhat but because iam not gullible and suckered in by marketing iam sticking with proven road type pedals that great riders and myself use for good reason.. Simple as that0 -
A larger cleat does indeed make sense, but there is no subjectivity here: either it improves power transfer or it does not.0
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Neale1978 wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:Neale1978 wrote:Mtb esque as in they resemble the mtb spud style pedal that originated as a mtb specific designed system
Road pedals & cleats are wider so power transfer is better and probably more comfortable also just because of the larger contact area
Double sided type Spds are probably a good idea for commuting for some
Whereas if they'd advertised the SPD system as universal to all types of cycling...
Also, do you have any stats for that better power transfer claim, or have you been reading that marketing again?
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But in all seriousness, the bigger cleat is the only aspect worthy of serious consideration. Some do find them more comfortable. The SPD design uses one necessarily smaller. If you want a larger platform SPD pedal, you can have it.
Stats? unnecessary tbh. Ive ridden bikes for long enough to know (for myself at least for sure) a good sized platform & cleat makes practical sense. More of your foot area is putting the power down. There is NO WAY i would change my keo max 2's for a smaller spd type pedal because i can tell what it would feel like and it would not be as efficient IMO
Spds have evolved/changed somewhat but because iam not gullible and suckered in by marketing iam sticking with proven road type pedals that great riders and myself use for good reason.. Simple as that
I'm with you that stats are not needed and there most likely aren't any, but I would speculate that a wider cleat with more pedal surface contact area MIGHT reduce ankle rocking. On some people that might be good yet on others it might promote injury of some type.0 -
Bordersroadie wrote:Neale1978 wrote:Road pedals & cleats are wider so power transfer is better and probably more comfortable also just because of the larger contact area
Urban myth.
If your feet are sitting inside some completely rigid carbon soled shoe, the few mm difference in cleat contact area (SPD vs road SPD-SL) is irrelevant since the shoe does not flex, at all.
Just be honest, it's all about image.
Sorry but i dont agree. Its more than a few mm when it comes to some. If my cleats are almost the same width as the pedals iam on then that is better than a tiny, narrow cleat under my feet for power transfer, Carbon sole or not IMO
Iam not making out that the difference is huge but.. Horses for courses i guess0 -
Speedplay claim that the effective platform on their pedals is 25% larger than the competition. Should we all be using Speedplay?0
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but there is no subjectivity here: either it improves power transfer or it does not.
Not true.. Not all riders ride the same way technique wiseSimon Masterson wrote:Speedplay claim that the effective platform on their pedals is 25% larger than the competition. Should we all be using Speedplay?
I dont know because ive never used those. My opinions are coming from practical experience of pedals i have used0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:Speedplay claim that the effective platform on their pedals is 25% larger than the competition. Should we all be using Speedplay?
Key word there just might be "effective". Whatever that means or insinuates or is made to sound like.0 -
Neale1978 wrote:but there is no subjectivity here: either it improves power transfer or it does not.
Not true.. Not all riders ride the same way technique wise
In that case I'm sure you can provide the test results that demonstrate that some cyclists but not others transfer more power with larger platform pedals, on account of their technique?0 -
dennisn wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:Speedplay claim that the effective platform on their pedals is 25% larger than the competition. Should we all be using Speedplay?
Key word there just might be "effective". Whatever that means or insinuates or is made to sound like.
Indeed; I added that word because there isn't a 'platform' in the conventional sense, but that's the implication.0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:Neale1978 wrote:but there is no subjectivity here: either it improves power transfer or it does not.
Not true.. Not all riders ride the same way technique wise
In that case I'm sure you can provide the test results that demonstrate that some cyclists but not others transfer more power with larger platform pedals, on account of their technique?
I believe it is better for power transfer regardless of technique but a honed technique will improve it further. I should have worded that last post better but iam tirrrrrrrrrrrred
Goodnight Mr master0 -
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Just because you cant see what is plain as day for many does not mean iam full of it. I think you are tbh
Riders that know ride the right pedals (For obvious reasons) & Pro teams etc use the right pedals for those same reasons0 -
There is just the vague possibility that their choices might also be affected by the fact that they are paid to use certain equipment. I might, of course, be accused of being cynical...Neale1978 wrote:Pro teams etc use the right pedals for those same reasons0 -
Pro riders/teams may have to use certain equipment from sponsorship/support and its again obvious most of the kit being used & promoted has been developed for real performance gains
What Road/track rider or team do you know that uses Spds?0 -
Graeme Obree. Hasn't done too badly at transferring power. No-one could accuse him of following fashion or conventional 'wisdom'.Neale1978 wrote:What Road/track rider or team do you know that uses Spds?0 -
Its slightly suprising at most but considering his approach to everything else its also not at the same time. Certain people could kill it on average/non ideal equipment sure but i still stand by my opinion.. In fact, perhaps if Graeme warmed toward the other type of pedals available he may have improved on what he already did
In fact, reading this
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... e-way.html
He recommends Spds purely to make walking easier whilst wearing the shoes/cleats0 -
On the other hand, Obree's endorsement of SPDs is proof that when a man is faced with limitless equipment choices which will give him the marginal gains needed to break a world record, he chooses one which (quite oviously) will lose him zero power transfer vs the alternative, the SPD-SL type.
For me this is the strongest proof possible that SPDs are equal to SPD-SLs when it comes to power transfer.
I don't criticise anyone from using SPD-SLs but they present many drawbacks compared to SPDs (including the inability to walk normally in them as Obree points out) and SPDs are equal to them if used with carbon soled shoes plus they offer all the benefits that are the drawbacks of the SPD-SL.0 -
Fair enough, I wont argue with that0
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Back to the OP's original concern. I've been using DA pedals for years now. Can't say that I walk 50 meters a day in them but, like everyone else, I do walk around a bit in them. You know up and down my driveway, into the convenience store, around a parking lot on occasion, in and out of bathrooms. That sort of thing. It's not as it I never walk in them, yet they seem to wear fairly well. Oh yeah, the little yellow pieces wear off after a while but they don't effect clipping in and out. They are just sort of an early warning system that you may soon need new cleats.0
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Walked around 6 miles on my SPD cleats on Friday. I'm sure this has caused some wear - it wasn't planned! - but didn't notice any difference clipping in/out this evening.
I'm struggling to get my head around the idea of better power transfer from a bigger platform. When I'm putting as much power as I can through the pedals, the clear limiting factor is me - a bigger platform wouldn't stop me running out of steam and I don't see how it would let a higher percentage of my power output be transferred into forward motion? Might be helpful if people are spinning out their top gear, but that's more easily sorted out by different gearing.
Quite possible I'm missing something obvious, of course.0
