Does anyone actually think this is nice?

Gabbo
Gabbo Posts: 864
edited March 2013 in Road general
I've been browsing weight weenies for the past couple of days and came across this

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 0&t=110974

The bike itself has had all of it's beauty sacrificed for a huge loss of weight. It weighs 3.9 kg and looks fooking hideous. This weight weenie stuff is a terrible,pricey obsession.
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  • lawrences
    lawrences Posts: 1,011
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    Looks shit. A paint job isn't going to slow him down up the hills.
  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    what a plum.
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  • MountainMonster
    MountainMonster Posts: 7,423
    Well, at least he knows it's 3.7kg.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Gabbo wrote:
    I've been browsing weight weenies for the past couple of days and came across this

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 0&t=110974

    The bike itself has had all of it's beauty sacrificed for a huge loss of weight. It weighs 3.9 kg and looks fooking hideous. This weight weenie stuff is a terrible,pricey obsession.

    You're kind of missing the point of the weight weenies forum. The whole idea is to build lightweight bikes. In that sense, it is a pretty good effort.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Really hideous? TBH, it looks a bit cack close to (but then so did the naked cf Parlee I saw in a shop in Golden, Colorado and I've no doubt that plenty on here would have been swooning over that one!) but from more than a couple of feet away, it looks no uglier than the average stealth bike. Those aren't my cup of tea either but I can't see how this is much worse.
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  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    I was looking at it the other day and tbh it would be fine except for 3 things. 1) needs painting, 2) gap at the bottom of the ht for to save a few grams on the fork is hideous, 3) needs to learn how to wrap bars.

    The mono seatpost/saddle is fine as you won't see the underside when it's right side up, although I would have opted for the Dash Cycles one to make it cleaner.
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  • Gabbo
    Gabbo Posts: 864
    Imposter wrote:
    Gabbo wrote:
    I've been browsing weight weenies for the past couple of days and came across this

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 0&t=110974

    The bike itself has had all of it's beauty sacrificed for a huge loss of weight. It weighs 3.9 kg and looks fooking hideous. This weight weenie stuff is a terrible,pricey obsession.

    You're kind of missing the point of the weight weenies forum. The whole idea is to build lightweight bikes. In that sense, it is a pretty good effort.

    I'm not missing the point, I just don't agree with it. But each to their own, eh?
  • Brakeless
    Brakeless Posts: 865
    Gabbo wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Gabbo wrote:
    I've been browsing weight weenies for the past couple of days and came across this

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 0&t=110974

    The bike itself has had all of it's beauty sacrificed for a huge loss of weight. It weighs 3.9 kg and looks fooking hideous. This weight weenie stuff is a terrible,pricey obsession.

    You're kind of missing the point of the weight weenies forum. The whole idea is to build lightweight bikes. In that sense, it is a pretty good effort.

    I'm not missing the point, I just don't agree with it. But each to their own, eh?

    I can see why you might not like it but can't quite see why you would disagree with it. The guy has set out to make a superlight bike. He hasn't set out to make a good looking bike. Personally I think it's pretty ugly but equally very impressive and I'd love to try something as light as that up a very long hill.
  • elderone
    elderone Posts: 1,410
    Ithink it looks dead smart.
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  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    Just looked at all the pictures, bar the paintwork its actually quite a decent bike. Not liking that gap at the top of the fork and never seen those pedals before. Has anyone had any experience with those pedals?
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  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    Out of interest would something that light be safe?
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  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    Yes.
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  • Gabbo
    Gabbo Posts: 864
    Just out of interest, does anyone happen to know how much weight a paintjob would typically add?
  • styxd
    styxd Posts: 3,234
    You have done very well to completely miss the point.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    Gabbo wrote:
    Just out of interest, does anyone happen to know how much weight a paintjob would typically add?

    Factory paint is typically 60-80 grams over a matte finish, so raw would save 80-100 grams.
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Of course, all that effort and he still has integrated brake/shifters on it which weigh a ton. If he put DT shifters on it it would save a fair bit more with little loss of function.
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  • Bustacapp
    Bustacapp Posts: 971
    Can't see pics on that forum?
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Rolf F wrote:
    If he put DT shifters on it it would save a fair bit more with little loss of function.

    except there are no bosses for DT shifters on that frame...
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Imposter wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    If he put DT shifters on it it would save a fair bit more with little loss of function.

    except there are no bosses for DT shifters on that frame...

    I think that's something you would plan in - and it is cf; if you can make cf calipers, you can make a cf shifter boss :wink:
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  • Crispyapp
    Crispyapp Posts: 344
    Gabbo wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Gabbo wrote:
    I've been browsing weight weenies for the past couple of days and came across this

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 0&t=110974

    The bike itself has had all of it's beauty sacrificed for a huge loss of weight. It weighs 3.9 kg and looks fooking hideous. This weight weenie stuff is a terrible,pricey obsession.

    You're kind of missing the point of the weight weenies forum. The whole idea is to build lightweight bikes. In that sense, it is a pretty good effort.

    I'm not missing the point, I just don't agree with it. But each to their own, eh?

    Sorry to quote this again but yes you have clearly missed the point. You said the looks have clearly been sacrificed for weight loss. That's the whole point. It doesn't matter what it looks like it weighs 3.7kg. End of. That's why he's posted this on WW on not on bikeradar...
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  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    The 'stealth' look didn't last very long TBF
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  • Gabbo
    Gabbo Posts: 864
    styxd wrote:
    You have done very well to completely miss the point.

    Completely miss the point? Yeah, sure

    I have asked who actually likes the look of this bike, regardless of what their purpose was.

    And here is a question for you: What is the point in making a bike weigh as little as 4 kg? That is the point that I am struggling to understand. Doesn't there come a point where too much weight off the bike actually becomes counter productive?
  • Gabbo
    Gabbo Posts: 864
    edited March 2013
    Crispyapp wrote:
    Gabbo wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Gabbo wrote:
    I've been browsing weight weenies for the past couple of days and came across this

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 0&t=110974

    The bike itself has had all of it's beauty sacrificed for a huge loss of weight. It weighs 3.9 kg and looks fooking hideous. This weight weenie stuff is a terrible,pricey obsession.

    You're kind of missing the point of the weight weenies forum. The whole idea is to build lightweight bikes. In that sense, it is a pretty good effort.

    I'm not missing the point, I just don't agree with it. But each to their own, eh?

    Sorry to quote this again but yes you have clearly missed the point. You said the looks have clearly been sacrificed for weight loss. That's the whole point. It doesn't matter what it looks like it weighs 3.7kg. End of. That's why he's posted this on WW on not on bikeradar...

    Oh dear.

    Just because I stated that the looks have been sacrificed for weight loss doesn't mean I haven't understood the point in it - I do understand, that's just my opinion (which I am entitled to). What I DON'T understand is why someone would WANT to sacrifice the looks of their bike for weight. I understand his intentions is to have an incredibly light bike (which therefore makes aesthetics lack importance), but I don't understand what good a 3.7kg bike would do for you apart from look impressive on an internet forum.

    So, why would he want a bike that weighs as little as that? I think that is what you guys don't seem to understand.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    My winter bike is almost 3 kgs heavier than my Foils. Is it noticeable on climbs? Absolutely. Biggest difference comes from wheels (summer wheels are 1kg lighter). Up hills it feels like I'm riding on the back of a centaur.
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  • Gabbo
    Gabbo Posts: 864
    Grill wrote:
    My winter bike is almost 3 kgs heavier than my Foils. Is it noticeable on climbs? Absolutely. Biggest difference comes from wheels (summer wheels are 1kg lighter). Up hills it feels like I'm riding on the back of a centaur.

    And your foil weighs how much?

    Like I said, wouldn't it be counter productive to have a bike that weighs as little as 3.7 kg? Wouldn't the components be lacking in stiffness or some sort?
  • styxd
    styxd Posts: 3,234
    Gabbo wrote:
    styxd wrote:
    You have done very well to completely miss the point.

    Completely miss the point? Yeah, sure

    I have asked who actually likes the look of this bike, regardless of what their purpose was.

    And here is a question for you: What is the point in making a bike weigh as little as 4 kg? That is the point that I am struggling to understand. Doesn't there come a point where too much weight off the bike actually becomes counter productive?

    Do you struggle to understand alot of things?

    Try thinking a bit harder.
  • Gabbo
    Gabbo Posts: 864
    styxd wrote:
    Gabbo wrote:
    styxd wrote:
    You have done very well to completely miss the point.

    Completely miss the point? Yeah, sure

    I have asked who actually likes the look of this bike, regardless of what their purpose was.

    And here is a question for you: What is the point in making a bike weigh as little as 4 kg? That is the point that I am struggling to understand. Doesn't there come a point where too much weight off the bike actually becomes counter productive?

    Do you struggle to understand alot of things?

    Try thinking a bit harder.

    You still haven't answered my question. It's rather rude to answer a question with a question.

    Again, what good will a sub 4 kg bike do for you?
  • styxd
    styxd Posts: 3,234
    FFS

    Stop looking for fucking points in everything.

    The guy wanted to build a super light road bike. He's done it. He probably spent alot of money and time on it. He probably enjoyed doing it.

    What good will a 3.7kg bike do for me? Fuck all, much like playing darts or fox hunting, or anything else I don't have an interest in.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    Just over 6kg. Look at the quality of components that guy is using.
    Addict HMX = stiff as a pornstar on viagra
    AX Lightness Morpheus w/ Fibre-Lyte Rings = there's stiffer, but it would be splitting hairs
    AX Lightness stem and bars = bit of flex, but considering the lack of effort everywhere else perfectly acceptable
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  • Brakeless
    Brakeless Posts: 865
    Gabbo wrote:
    styxd wrote:
    Gabbo wrote:
    styxd wrote:
    You have done very well to completely miss the point.

    Completely miss the point? Yeah, sure

    I have asked who actually likes the look of this bike, regardless of what their purpose was.

    And here is a question for you: What is the point in making a bike weigh as little as 4 kg? That is the point that I am struggling to understand. Doesn't there come a point where too much weight off the bike actually becomes counter productive?

    Do you struggle to understand alot of things?

    Try thinking a bit harder.

    You still haven't answered my question. It's rather rude to answer a question with a question.

    Again, what good will a sub 4 kg bike do for you?

    Ride a 4kg bike up a hill, then ride an 8 kg bike up the same hill or if that's too hard to understand try a road bike followed by a mountain bike!

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