The Pinarello hate thread.

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  • upperoilcan
    upperoilcan Posts: 1,180
    Lol my bad ! Didnt even see that.

    However DO NOT DETRACT from this thread's purpose.

    If your not hating you have no business here. :D
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  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    I don't hate Dogma's - they just look daft - and I have taste ;-)
  • fevmeister
    fevmeister Posts: 353
    Bozman wrote:
    It's not going to be mentioned is it because given the money i doubt many folk would even contemplate buying a Pinarello.
    It crossed my mind many moons ago, i nearly purchased a Paris frameset but i didn't take the advice given by the LBS and i went for a Look.... thank god.

    What look frameset did you end up with? I'm in the market for one!
  • Bozman
    Bozman Posts: 2,518
    Fevmeister wrote:
    Bozman wrote:
    It's not going to be mentioned is it because given the money i doubt many folk would even contemplate buying a Pinarello.
    It crossed my mind many moons ago, i nearly purchased a Paris frameset but i didn't take the advice given by the LBS and i went for a Look.... thank god.

    What look frameset did you end up with? I'm in the market for one!

    It was a 585 ultra, can't fault it. I'll get another Look when it fails but I've just given it a face lift over the winter and it's like a new bike.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    upperoilcan wrote:
    Lol my bad ! Didnt even see that.

    However DO NOT DETRACT from this thread's purpose.

    If your not hating you have no business here. :D
    OK - I see you hating, I'll be rolling.
  • arthur_scrimshaw
    arthur_scrimshaw Posts: 2,596
    edited March 2013
    bompington wrote:
    upperoilcan wrote:
    I personally dont have a problem with them but so many of you do.

    Now go on and get it off your chest's,you will feel better for it i assure you.
    No brand of bike really gets me up or down. Apostrophe abuse, on the other hand... :evil:

    Now my English may be bad but I think his sentence was ok if you overlook the uncapitalized i, the lack of a space after the comma and took it to mean your chest's as in you own a lot of chests, the apostrophe indicating the possessive?

    just saying.......
  • NITR8s
    NITR8s Posts: 688
    My headset failed on my 2012 Pinarello after 5 months, I compained and was told it was because I used it on a turbo trainer and when it was wet outside. Yello wanted £35 for the replacement bearings, found better bearings on ebay for £8.

    Bottem line is, Ive got a bike that I am not allowed to use in England and now Halfords sell them!
  • APIII
    APIII Posts: 2,010
    I have two of them, the last one I bought in 2008. I said to myself at the time I'd never buy another, and I still feel like that now. The only real issue I have with them is the price (or the UK price specifically) and what you actually get for your money. In the years since, I've bought a Time (handmade in France from lugged cf produced in-house, lifetime warranty, etc) and more recently a steel frame that took weeks to build, with every small detail thought through and excecuted to perfection, including custom paintwork. Both of these were a similar cost to the last Pinarello and substantially lower than the current Dogma, which if I have to remind you comes from a mould and is finished with vinyl decals. Even other high end mass produced frames like the C59 are better value because at least everyone agrees that when it comes to ride quality, they are right on the money.
  • Slo Mo Jones
    Slo Mo Jones Posts: 272
    APIII wrote:
    more recently a steel frame that took weeks to build, with every small detail thought through and excecuted to perfection, including custom paintwork. Both of these were a similar cost to the last Pinarello

    ?

    Well, clearly.

    The weeks taken to build the steel frame - have you factored in the opportunity costs of spending weeks building it? Say you'd spent that time at work rather than building the frame. Add the potential earnings from that to the cost of materials. Then it would be a fairer comparison.
  • APIII
    APIII Posts: 2,010
    Slo Mo Jones wrote:
    APIII wrote:
    more recently a steel frame that took weeks to build, with every small detail thought through and excecuted to perfection, including custom paintwork. Both of these were a similar cost to the last Pinarello

    ?

    Well, clearly.

    The weeks taken to build the steel frame - have you factored in the opportunity costs of spending weeks building it? Say you'd spent that time at work rather than building the frame. Add the potential earnings from that to the cost of materials. Then it would be a fairer comparison.

    I didn't build it.
  • Slo Mo Jones
    Slo Mo Jones Posts: 272
    APIII wrote:
    Slo Mo Jones wrote:
    APIII wrote:
    more recently a steel frame that took weeks to build, with every small detail thought through and excecuted to perfection, including custom paintwork. Both of these were a similar cost to the last Pinarello

    ?

    Well, clearly.

    The weeks taken to build the steel frame - have you factored in the opportunity costs of spending weeks building it? Say you'd spent that time at work rather than building the frame. Add the potential earnings from that to the cost of materials. Then it would be a fairer comparison.

    I didn't build it.

    In that case your post lacks both clarity and gusto.
  • APIII
    APIII Posts: 2,010
    Jesus, here we go. Are you 12?
  • Slo Mo Jones
    Slo Mo Jones Posts: 272
    edited March 2013
    Are you trying to groom me?

    How long does it take Pinarello to build a bike?
  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    Slo Mo Jones wrote:
    Are you trying to groom me?

    ASL?
  • On_What
    On_What Posts: 516
    my life :lol: ridiculous

    Interested to know the outcome on ASL for some weird reason


    These days if I cruise up behind someone on a "pinnarello" I cant help but wonder if it's a fake, even if the rider knows what the heritage of the brand. I am going to make a generalisation and say 90% of Pinnarello riders have wheelsucked! A guy at Box Hill last weekend wheelsucked all the way back to the A217. Poor form :|
  • arthur_scrimshaw
    arthur_scrimshaw Posts: 2,596
    APIII wrote:
    Jesus, here we go. Are you 12?

    I think from the response the answer is probably yes? Lot of these types appearing on the forum recently, time for the killfile?
  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    I hatethe bendy fork and weird geometry of the bike, give me a standard ti frame anyday.
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  • Slo Mo Jones
    Slo Mo Jones Posts: 272
    Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:
    APIII wrote:
    Jesus, here we go. Are you 12?

    I think from the response the answer is probably yes? Lot of these types appearing on the forum recently, time for the killfile?

    ?

    Please accept my apologies for questioning the arguments put forth and being subjected to insults.
  • wellbeloved747
    wellbeloved747 Posts: 406
    got nothing against them i would happily ride one!
    wavy forks always look like a weak point to me but they are good for climbs!
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  • arthur_scrimshaw
    arthur_scrimshaw Posts: 2,596
    Slo Mo Jones wrote:
    Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:
    APIII wrote:
    Jesus, here we go. Are you 12?

    I think from the response the answer is probably yes? Lot of these types appearing on the forum recently, time for the killfile?

    ?

    Please accept my apologies for questioning the arguments put forth and being subjected to insults.

    Except you weren't were you? You took a clear (to me and I suspect most others) statement about how long a custom frame takes to build and turned it into an obtuse comment, how many people do you know build their own frames? Was there anything in his post to suggest he did?
  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    The famous Pinarello value for money - for the price of the frameset:

    http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bik ... ab-reiter2

    The frameset of the above is obviously clearly inferior :roll: to justify the price.

    Obviously the Italian heritage style and elan justifies the reason why the dogma frameset is more expensive than the sum of the cost of the Taiwanese made trash listed below:

    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 7b0s6p3602
    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 7b0s6p4326
    http://www.decathlon.co.uk/triban-3-roa ... 67038.html

    Pinarello- hundreds of fat dentists, city bankers and Bradley Wiggins wanabees can't be wrong - buy one now.
  • simon_masterson
    simon_masterson Posts: 2,740
    MajorMantra wrote:
    I think they look good in the right colours (cf. Team Sky) but they (Dogmas, that is) are very, very heavy for the money. Circa 300g more than some frames that are half the price.

    But on the subject of factors that actually matter in cycling, how well does it perform? ;)

    Anyway, it's just a bike brand. A long standing one, too; anybody would think from the talk on forums like this that Sky founded the company to supply their team bikes...
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  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    Simon Masterson wrote:
    MajorMantra wrote:
    I think they look good in the right colours (cf. Team Sky) but they (Dogmas, that is) are very, very heavy for the money. Circa 300g more than some frames that are half the price.

    But on the subject of factors that actually matter in cycling, how well does it perform? ;)

    Anyway, it's just a bike brand. A long standing one, too; anybody would think from the talk on forums like this that Sky founded the company to supply their team bikes...

    Fair point, however given identical components and wheelset, does it "perform" better than any of the following - most of which are less than half the price:

    http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/produ ... 1_Frameset
    http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/f ... -2012.html
    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 65s25p5133
    http://www.cycledivision.co.uk/product- ... id177.html
    http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDeta ... egoryID=71
    http://www.royles.biz/product/10501/Tre ... lames_2012

    Could go on - yes these frames are discounted, but you do not see Dogmas discounted.
  • simon_masterson
    simon_masterson Posts: 2,740
    letap73 wrote:
    Simon Masterson wrote:
    MajorMantra wrote:
    I think they look good in the right colours (cf. Team Sky) but they (Dogmas, that is) are very, very heavy for the money. Circa 300g more than some frames that are half the price.

    But on the subject of factors that actually matter in cycling, how well does it perform? ;)

    Anyway, it's just a bike brand. A long standing one, too; anybody would think from the talk on forums like this that Sky founded the company to supply their team bikes...

    Fair point, however given identical components and wheelset, does it "perform" better than any of the following - most of which are less than half the price:

    http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/produ ... 1_Frameset
    http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/f ... -2012.html
    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 65s25p5133
    http://www.cycledivision.co.uk/product- ... id177.html
    http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDeta ... egoryID=71
    http://www.royles.biz/product/10501/Tre ... lames_2012

    Could go on - yes these frames are discounted, but you do not see Dogmas discounted.

    I more than concur. But I'd rather have a Pinarello like this:

    indurain1993_1_1_600.jpg

    :wink:
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  • zoltansocrates
    zoltansocrates Posts: 118
    pinarello are suffering from that rare disease you find in britain - a mixture of snobbery and success

    i remember when oasis broke ground in early94, the indieheads loved them, then the chavs caught on to them and oasis went 'supersonic', sold millions, were seen everywhere and endeared by the layman - the indieheads hated that and dropped oasis, they werent cool anymore because they were mainstream now

    this is a roadie forum, we are roadies, like the indieheads we like our weird and wonderful 'not oft seen on the road' kit, if rapha prices were realistic and sold in JJB sports then they too would be dropped instead of lusted after

    halfarello bikes will sell well but not to what we like to call 'real roadies' and we only say that because we dont want to be mainstream

    pure snobbery, everyone guily ;)
  • lawrences
    lawrences Posts: 1,011
    I don't hate pinarello I'd more than hapily ride one if i had the pockets. But they did misspell 'blind' in the name of this bike. http://www.pinarello.com/eng/diesel_onl ... e_acid.php

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